[A. CALL TO ORDER]
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SO I THINK THAT THAT STILL GIVES THE PUBLIC THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE ASKING BEFORE THE MEETING, AND HONESTLY, THAT GIVES THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON IT AT THE MEETING. BUT THAT'S NOT IN HERE.THEN HOW IS IT GOING TO GET ON THERE? HOW ARE WE GOING TO DO THAT IF WE DON'T VOTE ON IT? HOW'S WHAT? HOW ARE THESE QUESTIONS THAT ARE GOING TO BE ASKED IN ADVANCE AND PUT ON THE WEBSITE? HOW IS THAT GOING TO HAPPEN IF WE DON'T CODIFY IT? IT. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT OUR ADMINISTRATION STAFF WILL DO.
WE'VE NEVER DIRECTED THEM TO DO THAT.
WE JUST DID WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS EARLIER AND OH, WHICH ONE WOULD DO BUILD ON? MS. [INAUDIBLE] SAID THAT WE DID NOT HAVE TO PUT THAT INTO OUR BOARD OPERATING PROCEDURES.
SO IS THAT YOUR UNDERSTANDING, DR.
AZAIEZ? BECAUSE I MISSED THAT.
[C. PUBLIC COMMENTS TO AGENDA ITEMS ONLY]
I THINK THAT WAS OUR BOARD PRESIDENT THAT SHARED THAT WITH US EARLIER.YES, THAT'S WHAT I THAT'S WHAT WE DISCUSSED TONIGHT.
AND IT WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO THAT.
TRUSTEE BONE. SO FIRST OF ALL, NOT TOO LONG AGO, WE ACTUALLY WENT IN AND STRIPPED OUT REDUNDANCY OUT OF OUR BOARD OPERATING PROCEDURES, AND NOW WE'RE PUTTING A BUNCH OF IT BACK IN, WHICH I ABSOLUTELY DO NOT AGREE WITH ALSO, WHICH I HAVEN'T MENTIONED YET.
IF IT'S A POLICY, IT SHOULD BE DONE IN POLICY.
WE ACTUALLY CAME IN AND STRIPPED OUT A BUNCH OF STUFF THAT WAS IN POLICY.
I BELIEVE MR. WOOLSTON DID THAT FOR US.
I THINK IT'S VERY DISINGENUOUS TO ROBERT'S RULES, AND I THINK THAT'S WHY TRUSTEE WESTON YOU KIND OF GET THAT SENSE THAT YOU'RE LIKE, OH MY GOSH, THIS IS LIKE KIND OF INHIBITING SPEECH. WELL, YES, BECAUSE LOTS OF ROBERT'S RULES ACTUALLY DOES INHIBIT SPEECH, BUT THERE'S A WHOLE SET OF OTHER REALLY GOOD THINGS THAT SHOULD GO ALONG WITH IT THAT ARE NOT CAPTURED HERE.
I DON'T KNOW WHY THESE WERE PICKED AND CHOSEN.
I WILL NOT BE VOTING ON THESE.
THERE'S A WHOLE BOOK OF ROBERT'S RULES.
ARE WE FOLLOWING ALL OF ROBERT'S RULES OR JUST THESE? BY PUTTING THESE IN HERE NOW, IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE JUST FOLLOWING THESE.
SO I ABSOLUTELY DO NOT AGREE WITH THIS.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS MORE PAPERWORK THAT WE HAVE TO MANAGE.
THERE'S A WHOLE BOOK AND IT SAYS ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER LATEST EDITION.
THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS. WELL, WHAT IF THE LATEST EDITION COMES OUT TOMORROW? WELL, THEN OUR PART OF OUR BOARD OPERATING PROCEDURES NOW IS NOT EVEN CORRECT.
SO I DO NOT AGREE WITH ANY OF THE ROBERT'S RULES STUFF.
THAT'S ALL. THE PURPLE AGAIN WITH THE 72 HOURS.
I WOULD STILL I WOULD TELL THE COMMUNITY, ASK FOR SOME OF OUR BOARD UPDATES THAT HAVE QUESTIONS IN THEM FROM TRUSTEE WESTON AND I, AND YOU WILL SEE THE TYPES OF RESPONSES THAT WE GET.
AND I THINK YOU MIGHT SEE WHY WE LIKE TO HAVE THE CONVERSATIONS HERE, BECAUSE I WILL ASK A VERY SPECIFIC QUESTION THAT SHOULD HAVE LOTS OF DETAIL, AND I'LL GET BACK A TWO SENTENCE RESPONSE AND THAT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH.
I ABSOLUTELY DO NOT AGREE WITH.
WE CAN ALWAYS VOTE TO END OUR MEETINGS AT 11:59.
SO I WOULD RATHER DO THAT EVERY MEETING.
TRUSTEE ZARATE. I THINK THE IT MAY BE A LITTLE, A LITTLE BIT PICKED AND CHOOSED BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT WE, WE WANTED THE LAWYERS TO STREAMLINE FOR US SO THAT IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'VE TAKEN THINGS THAT WILL STREAMLINE OUR MEETINGS, WHICH IS WHAT THEY'VE BEEN DIRECTED TO DO.
SO YEAH, I IT MAY SEEM LIKE IT'S I DON'T THINK YOU'RE USING ORWELLIAN RIGHT.
BUT THAT'S JUST I MEAN, YOU MIGHT BE MISTAKEN THERE.
I SAID YOU MIGHT BE MISTAKEN OR THE THE TRUSTEES MIGHT BE MISTAKEN.
WHAT WAS THE PERSONAL ATTACK? I DID SAY THAT DANIELLE WASN'T USING IT.
I'M SORRY. TRUSTEE. WESTON WASN'T USING ORWELLIAN, RIGHT? I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. SORRY.
I CAN'T HEAR EVERY SINGLE THING THAT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME.
I TAKE IT BACK. PLEASE USE DECORUM WHEN SITTING AT THE DESK.
THAT'S ALL I REALLY WANTED TO SAY.
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THAT WE WANT TO ADOPT, AND SO WE KIND OF MADE MY POINT THAT THIS IS VERY CONFUSING BECAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING IS WE ACTUALLY ARE WE'VE ALREADY ADOPTED ALL OF ROBERT'S RULES.THESE ARE JUST BEING PULLED OUT FOR SOME ODD REASON BECAUSE OF THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING RIGHT NOW.
IT JUST THAT'S NOT HOW POLICY THAT IS, NOT GOOD OPERATING PROCEDURE.
THAT'S BEING PULLED INTO PROCEDURE THOUGH.
THEY SHOULD BE TIMELESS. YEAH, THEY SHOULD BE TIMELESS.
THESE SHOULDN'T BE THINGS THAT WE JUST WANT TO GO NITPICK OUT.
WE ALREADY FOLLOW ALL OF ROBERT'S RULES.
AND LIKE TRUSTEE ZARATE ACTUALLY SAID, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LITTLE BIT CONFUSING NOW BECAUSE HE WAS LIKE, WELL, IF WE WANT TO ADOPT OTHER THINGS, NO, WE ALREADY HAVE ADOPTED ALL OF THESE. THESE ARE ACTUALLY ALREADY ADOPTED.
SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE ADOPTING THEM TWICE, WHICH MAKES NO SENSE.
IT JUST MAKES IT APPEAR THAT WE'RE NOT ADOPTING THE OTHER THINGS.
AND AGAIN, I WANT TO FINISH MY COMMENT ABOUT 11:59 P.M..
I ABSOLUTELY DO NOT AGREE WITH THAT.
LIKE YOU SAID, WE HAVE BUSINESS SOMETIMES AND SOME OF OUR BUSINESS MEETINGS ARE JUST LONG.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THE BOARD USED TO START MEETING AT LIKE 6:30, I BELIEVE, AND THEN THEY PUSHED IT BACK TO 530, I DON'T KNOW, DO WE NEED TO PUSH IT BACK AND START AT 3:30? IT'S LIKE I MEAN, IF THERE'S A TIME, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TIMING ISSUE IS.
DO WE NEED TO SPLIT IT UP INTO TWO MEETINGS? AGAIN, THE COMMUNITY AND THE STUDENT SHOULD NOT BE PUNISHED FOR US NOT BEING ABLE TO MANAGE OUR TIMES.
AND WE NEED TO BE SOLVING THE SOLUTIONS AND NOT JUST CAPPING THINGS AND DOING THINGS OFF HANDED JUST BECAUSE WE WANT TO BE DONE AT 11:59, IF WE HAVE BUSINESS THAT GOES TILL 2 A.M.
FOR STUDENT OUTCOMES, WE GO TO 2 A.M..
I MEAN, SHE'S TOLD ME MANY TIMES THAT THE CHAIR HAS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE AGENDA.
SO I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE ISSUES HERE, AND WE'RE..
10 SECONDS.. WE'RE HINDERING TRUSTEES.
AND WE'RE HINDERING. THE TIME IS EXPIRED.
SO, TRUSTEE MARKHAM, EXCUSE ME.
SHE HAD 10 SECOND. OH, I'M SORRY, I THOUGHT YOU SAID.
CAN YOU GIVE HER TEN MORE SECONDS? I THOUGHT YOU SAID TIME IS EXPIRED.
CAN I HAVE A POINT OF CLARIFICATION? WHO IS THE TIMEKEEPER? I'M THE TIMEKEEPER AND YOU HAVE TEN MORE SECONDS.
SO I WOULD NOT PUNISH THE TRUSTEES AND THE COMMUNITY.
LET'S FINISH, FIND A DIFFERENT WAY.
I DON'T THINK IT'S THROUGH THESE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES.
TIME. THANK YOU, TRUSTEE MARKHAM.
THANK YOU. I HAVE TRUSTEE MARKHAM DOWN AS SPEAKING TWICE ALREADY WITH NO QUESTIONS.
CAN I ASK A QUESTION? YES. OKAY.
SO ON PROCEDURE HOLD ON ON LETTER IN ALL BUSINESS WILL CLOSE AT 11:59 P.M.
ON THE DATE OF A CALLED MEETING, UNLESS EXTENDED BY THE BOARD.
ANY MATTERS NOT REACHED WILL BE PLACED ON THE FUTURE AGENDA.
OKAY. AND THEN IF WE DECIDE TO ADHERE TO THE 11:59, ANYTHING THAT WE HAVE NOT DISCUSSED ON THAT AGENDA WILL AUTOMATICALLY BE MOVED TO A FUTURE AGENDA, OR WE HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE IT TO A FUTURE AGENDA.
IF YOU'RE ASKING ME WHAT IT SAYS IS IT WILL BE MOVED TO AUTOMATICALLY.
OKAY. THANK YOU. TRUSTEE ZARATE.
I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO MISREPRESENT MYSELF.
I DID NOT SAY THAT THIS WAS CONFUSING AT ALL AND SAID, IN FACT, I SAID I WAS ABSOLUTELY FOR IT.
JUST I DON'T WANT WORDS PUT IN MY MOUTH.
SO I'M MAKING A LITTLE CLARIFICATION THERE.
I HAVE YOUR LIGHT ON. I DO, I HAVE A QUESTION.
I DO HAVE A QUESTION. SO IF WE'RE VOTING ON THINGS LIKE IF THIS GOES TO 11:59 AND IT'S LIKE 11:57 AND WE HAVE TO VOTE ON IT, I MEAN. HOW DOES THAT WORK? CAN SOMEBODY EXPLAIN HOW WHAT I MEAN? DO WE JUST DROP DEAD AT 11:59? I MEAN, THERE IS.
I'M TRYING TO ASK LEGALLY, HOW DOES THIS WORK? I MEAN, IF WE HAVE A MOTION, I MEAN, WHAT IF WE HAVE A MOTION? AND WHAT IF WE'RE NOT? WHAT IF WE HAVEN'T EXTENDED IT AND WE'RE STILL IN THE MIDST OF SOMETHING AND IT'S AND IT'S 12:01.
I THINK YOU JUST HAVE TO PLAN ACCORDINGLY.
BUT THEN WE HAVE DISCUSSION AND WE CAN HAVE DEBATE ON IF WE EXTEND IT OR NOT EXTEND IT.
WHAT HAPPENS? I THINK THAT'S UP TO THE CHAIR.
CAN YOU TELL ME WHERE THAT IS IN POLICY, THOUGH? BECAUSE WE HAVE TO FOLLOW POLICY AND LAW AND PROCEDURE.
THE BOARD CHAIR IS THE ONE THAT MAKES DECISIONS ON MOTIONS.
AND SO THE CHAIR IS GOING TO SAY, I'M GOING TO ALLOW YOU TO HAVE THIS POLICY.
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CORRECT. YOU'RE GETTING YOU'RE THINGS ARE CONFUSED TO ME.OKAY. YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT THE BOARD PRESIDENT CAN OVERRIDE? IT'S A QUESTION. THE BOARD PRESIDENT CAN OVERRIDE POLICY, INDIVIDUALLY.
I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU A COUPLE MORE MINUTES.
IS THERE YOU KNOW, IT'S UP TO THE CHAIR TO MANAGE THE MEETING.
SO SHE'S GOING TO BE AWARE OF WHAT THE PROCEDURE SAYS.
AND IT'S UP TO HER TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU MANAGE THE MEETING.
SO IF YOUR TIME RUNS OUT, YOUR TIME MAY RUN OUT.
AND THEN THE CHAIR IS EMPOWERED TO MAKE A DECISION AS TO WHAT SHE'S GOING TO DO WITH THAT.
THIS IS GOING TO BE OUR OPERATING PROCEDURE.
AND IT SAYS THAT OUR MEETING IS END AT 11:59.
AND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS SOMETHING TOTALLY DIFFERENT.
YOU'RE SAYING, WELL, ACTUALLY THE BOARD PRESIDENT.
LIKE WE ALSO HAVE THAT POLICY.
AND SO WHAT I'M WONDERING IS LIKE, THIS SHOULD NOT I MEAN, WHAT I'M HEARING FROM YOU IS SHOULD THIS BE IN POLICY? TRUSTEES WILL NEED TO PLAN ACCORDINGLY, MAKE A MOTION AND IF IT IS NOT MADE BY 11:59, WE WILL ADJOURN THE MEETING.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO PLAN AT 11:55 TO SAY, OH, NOW'S THE TIME.
YOU ARE WELL AWARE OF WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO EXTEND OUR TIME.
IT DOES NOT HAVE TO WAIT AT 11:55.
BUT DOESN'T DO THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT YOU GUYS ARE TRYING TO DO THAT DOESN'T STREAMLINE OUR MEETINGS.
WELL, I'M ASKING IN A REGULAR MEETING, COULD WE MAKE A MOTION TO END THE MEETING AT 11:59? YES. SO THAT MIGHT BE.
WOULD THAT BE ANOTHER WAY TO DO THIS? IT COULD. THIS IS FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES.
[D. CLOSED SESSION]
YEAH I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE ONE THAT'S CONSISTENT IN POLICY.OKAY, I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER LIGHTS ON.
ALL IN FAVOR OF TRUSTEE WHEELER'S MOTION, RAISE YOUR HAND.
ALL OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES FOUR TWO.
THE NEXT SECTION IS CONCERNS BETWEEN BOARD MEMBERS.
UM, IT'S ON PAGE NINE GOING INTO PAGE TEN.
[E. CALL BACK TO ORDER/EXECUTIVE SESSION MOTIONS]
INITIAL STEP SO THAT TOMA IS NOT VIOLATED.A TRUSTEE SHALL NOT BE REQUIRED TO COMPLY WITH THIS STEP IF THEIR CONCERN RELATES TO THE SAME CONDUCT OR ACTION OF THREE OR MORE TRUSTEES, AND COMMUNICATING WITH THE TRUSTEES TO COMPLY WITH THIS STEP MAY VIOLATE TOMA CONCERNS RELATING TO THE SAME CONDUCT.
ACTIONS OF THREE OR MORE TRUSTEES MAY SKIP THIS STEP AND START WITH STEP B BELOW, WHICH GOES ON TO TALK ABOUT, OR IF THE TRUSTEE IS UNABLE TO COMMUNICATE OR CONCERNS WITHOUT VIOLATING TOMA BECAUSE THEIR CONCERNS RELATES TO THE SAME CONDUCT OR ACTION OF THREE OR MORE TRUSTEES.
MADAM PRESIDENT, I MOVE WE ADOPT G ONE, A AND B AS PRESENTED.
SECOND. I DON'T HAVE ANY LIGHTS ON, SO ALL IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR HAND.
ALL OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES SIX ZERO.
UM. NEXT SECTION I WAS LOOKING AT HIGHLIGHTED.
14 IS INDIVIDUAL TRUSTEE REQUESTS FOR INFORMATION.
MICHELLE, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THIS ONE? YES. AND I BELIEVE I'M GOING TO DOUBLE CHECK THAT, BUT I BELIEVE THAT IS ALREADY IN BOARD POLICY.
SO JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THAT, LET ME DOUBLE CHECK.
BUT I THINK THAT WAS JUST A REPEAT OF WHAT'S IN BOARD POLICY IN YOUR, I'M GOING TO LOOK AT BBE.
CAN YOU HOLD ON ON THAT REAL QUICK TO MAKE SURE IT'S NOT ALREADY IN POLICY.
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AND I BELIEVE IT IS IN POLICY, BUT LET ME JUST I BELIEVE IT IS TOO.YEAH. WHICH MEANS WE WOULD NOT ADOPT IT.
WHAT IS YOUR POINT? I BELIEVE THIS IS ALL ALREADY IN A STATUTE AS WELL.
AND IT COULD BE. I THINK THIS IS ONE THAT I PULLED FROM BBE, SO IT MAY BE THAT IT'S REDUNDANT.
AND IT'S UNDER INDIVIDUAL TRUSTEE REQUEST FOR INFORMATION OR REPORT B THAT IS ALREADY IN BBE LOCAL.
SO YOU CAN CHOOSE TO NOT INCLUDE IT IN YOUR PROCEDURES, RIGHT? I MOVE THE BOARD, NOT ADOPT INDIVIDUAL TRUSTEE REQUESTS FOR INFORMATION, SECTION B.
SECOND. I DON'T HAVE ANY LIGHTS ON.
ALL IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR HAND.
ALL OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES SIX ZERO.
DOWN UNDER THE BOTTOM OF PAGE 14.
MISS OCALA, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THAT REQUESTED? YES. AND AND JUST TO THERE IS ANOTHER CHANGE THAT WE, WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT ON PAGE 11.
SO WE CAN GO BACK TO THAT OR I CAN..
YEAH, LET'S DO THIS ONE FIRST.
OKAY. I ALREADY INTRODUCED IT AND THEN WE'LL GO BACK OKAY.
COMMUNICATIONS WITH NEWS MEDIA DURING A CRISIS.
SO WHAT WE HAVE SUGGESTED HERE IS JUST TO DURING CRISIS WITH REGARD TO COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE NEWS MEDIA, THAT THAT BE LIMITED TO THE SUPERINTENDENT OR DESIGNEE TO SERVE AS THE OFFICIAL SPOKESPERSON FOR THE DISTRICT, TO THE MEDIA AND THE PRESS DURING A CRISIS OR CRITICAL EVENT.
WE ARE SUGGESTING TO STRIKE THAT IF A TRUSTEE CHOOSES TO RESPOND TO A REQUEST FOR AN INDIVIDUAL COMMENT OR OPINION FROM THE MEDIA PRESS, THE BOARD MEMBER SHOULD CLEARLY QUALIFY.
JUST IT'S JUST OUR RECOMMENDATION THAT THAT WHEN THERE IS A CRISIS, THAT REALLY THE INFORMATION SHOULD NOT BE COMING FROM ANY TRUSTEE INDIVIDUALLY, BUT SHOULD BE COMING FROM THE SUPERINTENDENT OR DESIGNEE.
OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS? TRUSTEES. TRUSTEE.
WESTON. OH, WAIT, WE NEED A MOTION FIRST.
COMMUNITY GBBA LOCAL BDD, LOCAL C AS PRESENTED.
SO I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. CAN WE DEFINE CRISIS OR CRITICAL EVENT, PLEASE? THAT IS NOT DEFINED.
SO THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT COULD BE ADDED, BUT IT'S NOT DEFINED.
OKAY. DR. AZAIEZ, I THINK YOU'VE BEEN HERE A LITTLE OVER TWO YEARS.
HAVE THERE BEEN ANYTHING? CAN YOU GIVE ME SOME EXAMPLES OF WHAT YOU MIGHT CALL A CRISIS OR CRITICAL EVENT? OR MAYBE THERE HAVEN'T BEEN ANY, BUT I'D LIKE TO KNOW, LIKE, GAIN SOME UNDERSTANDING BECAUSE I WOULD THINK LIKE THE HURRICANE, THE FREEZES, THOSE WOULD ALL BE IN MY MIND.
I DON'T KNOW NATURAL DISASTERS, BUT ALSO COULD BE LIKE A POSSIBLE INTRUDER, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT, WHERE REQUIRES WHERE WE WILL BE RECEIVING A REQUEST FOR INFORMATION, I GUESS, FROM THE PRESS, BECAUSE MAYBE THERE IS SOME SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE TO LOCK DOWN A CAMPUS AND THERE'S A POSSIBLE THREAT, I GUESS, TO THE CAMPUS.
UNTIL IT'S RESOLVED? YES. CORRECT.
YOU KNOW, ONE PERSON'S CRISIS IS ANOTHER ONE'S HICCUP.
SO I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THOSE TERMS. TRUSTEE MARKHAM. I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE WHAT A CRISIS OR A CRITICAL EVENT, I MEAN, AS DESCRIBED, I MEAN THAT THAT SEEMS LIKE COMMON SENSE TO ME.
I'M OKAY WITH LEAVING IT AS IS WITHOUT DEFINING WHAT THAT IS.
IS THE DESIGNEE ANOTHER DISTRICT OFFICIAL? OR IS THAT WHEN A WOULD A TRUSTEE BE CONSIDERED AN OFFICIAL SPOKESPERSON? WHO IS THE DESIGNEE AND WHO DETERMINES WHO THAT IS? WE. WELL, WITHIN OUR OWN COMMUNICATION DEPARTMENT, WE HAVE WHAT'S CALLED A MEDIA RELATIONSHIP OR RELATION PERSON.
AND USUALLY THAT'S THE PERSON WHO REALLY THE MEDIA KNOWS WHO TO CONTACT.
THEY DON'T CONTACT, OFTENTIMES THEY DON'T CONTACT ME, THEY CONTACT THAT PERSON.
AND OFTENTIMES THAT THAT PERSON IS THE CHIEF OF COMMUNICATION.
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THAT WOULD BE ANNIE IN THIS CASE.AND SO SHE WOULD, IF FOR SOME REASON SHE IS NOT ABLE TO BE THAT PERSON, SHE WOULD.
SHE HAS LIKE A LINE OF COMMUNICATION.
SHE HAS SOMEONE SHE WOULD DESIGNATE.
YEAH. BUT USUALLY WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH CRISIS OR SITUATION OBVIOUSLY WILL BE IN CONVERSATION AND USUALLY THERE MAY BE LIKE A MORE PEOPLE INVOLVED. RIGHT. SO OBVIOUSLY SHE WON'T BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE BACK WITH THEM UNTIL WE GET OBVIOUSLY MORE INFORMATION, MORE DETAILS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO IT'S ALMOST LIKE AN OPERATION KIND OF ROOM.
IT BECOMES LIKE A CRISIS TEAM, RIGHT? WILL COME UP WITH FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING ON AND ALSO HOW TO RESPOND.
OKAY. ANOTHER FOLLOW UP QUESTION.
SO WE HAD OUR SAFETY AND SECURITY MEETING LAST NIGHT.
WAS IT YESTERDAY? YEAH. YESTERDAY.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DETAIL? WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT HOW WE'RE MESSAGING INFORMATION TO STAFF AND TO PARENTS.
YES. SO IS AS FAR AS WHAT THAT CHAIN OF COMMAND LOOKS LIKE AS FAR AS WHO'S BECAUSE IS THIS.
NOT SAYING IT'S NOT VALID, BUT MAKE THAT REQUEST IN AN ALTERNATE FORMAT, PLEASE.
JUST A FOLLOW UP QUESTION FOR TRUSTEE MARKHAM'S ON CHAIN OF COMMAND.
THAT WOULD ALSO MEAN IF FOR SOME REASON THE SUPERINTENDENT YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY CURRENTLY YOU BUT WE'RE WRITING THESE POLICIES FOR FUTURE IF THE SUPERINTENDENT WAS UNAVAILABLE, YOU KNOW, SAY THEY'RE IN MEDICAL EMERGENCY OR WHATEVER, AND SOMETHING WERE TO HAPPEN, YOU HAVE A CHAIN OF COMMAND OF IF YOU'RE NOT AVAILABLE OR YOU'RE OUT OF THE DISTRICT OR WHATEVER, YOU HAVE THAT CHAIN OF COMMAND ALREADY SET UP, IF IT WOULD.
AND AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE TRY TO KEEP OUR BOARD, KEEP YOU INVOLVED OR INFORMED, I GUESS AS SOON AS WE KNOW OF SOMETHING ALSO SO BECAUSE WE UNDERSTAND SOMETIMES OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS WILL REACH OUT TO YOU AND ALSO SOMETIMES OTHER ORGANIZATIONS MIGHT TRY TO REACH OUT TO WHOEVER CAN RESPOND ADEQUATELY TO THEM.
SO WE TRY TO KEEP YOU ALSO INFORMED AND THEN FOLLOW UP QUESTION ON THAT.
TRUSTEES, THIS IS NOT AN ATTEMPT TO LIMIT TRUSTEES FREE SPEECH, BUT WAIT UNTIL THE EVENT HAS SOME HARD FACTS THAT WE CAN DISCUSS.
IF AFTER THIS EVENT, THE CRISIS OF THAT EVENT HAS PASSED.
BECAUSE AGAIN, I MEAN, SOMETIMES WE MAY NOT KNOW ALL THE INFORMATION.
SO AND WE'D BE LIKE RECEIVING, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO KIND OF FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENED, WHAT'S HAPPENING.
AND SO WE TRY TO INFORM YOU FIRST BEFORE EVEN WE REACH OUT BACK TO THE MEDIA AGAIN.
YEAH, THIS IS ALREADY COVERED IN GBBA LOCAL POLICY.
AND SO I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE NOT ADOPT THIS.
IT'S COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE NEWS MEDIA DURING A CRISIS.
IT IS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT THAN THIS.
IT GOES THROUGH A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
BUT IT SAYS IN A DISTRICT WIDE CRISIS, IT ACTUALLY TALKS ABOUT A BUILDING LEVEL CRISIS ALSO.
BUT DISTRICT CRISIS SITUATION.
THE APPROPRIATE ADMINISTRATORS SHALL ADVISE THE SUPERINTENDENT AT THE EARLIEST APPROPRIATE TIME.
SO THIS IS OUR POLICY, WHICH TRUMPS THIS.
AGAIN, THIS IS JUST OUR BOARD OPERATING PROCEDURES.
THIS UPDATED POLICY IS BEING WHAT'S PROPOSED TO REPLACE WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IN YOUR PACKET.
THE LAST PAGE OF THIS REVISED POLICY IS BEING PROPOSED TO BE UPDATED TO ALIGN WITH THIS.
SO WHAT YOU'RE READING ONLINE IS NOT WHAT WE'RE CONSIDERING AT TONIGHT'S MEETING.
ARE WE CHANGING POLICY OR ARE WE CHANGING PROCEDURES? CAN I GET A POINT OF CLARIFICATION? I'M STILL ON MY POINT OF CLARIFICATION, SO HOLD ON.
SO JUST YOU'RE REFERENCING A POLICY THAT'S IN OUR POLICY MANUAL.
AND SOME OF THESE BOARD OPERATING PROCEDURES DO RELATE TO POLICY CHANGES THAT WILL THEN BE BROUGHT BACK AT A FUTURE MEETING ACCORDING TO OUR PROCEDURES FOR CHANGING POLICIES.
SO SO WELL THEN THOSE WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR LEGAL.
LEGALLY, IT WOULD JUST BE LIKE A LAW, RIGHT? WE WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE OUR POLICY FIRST AND THEN OUR BOARD OPERATING PROCEDURES BECAUSE IT'S NO WHY ARE WE CHANGING BOARD OPERATING PROCEDURES? BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT LEGALLY.
I MEAN, OUR POLICY TRUMPS THE POLICY TRUMPS.
ALL RIGHT. SO SO WE'RE DOING THIS BACKWARDS, RIGHT? I THINK WE'RE DOING IT IN ACCORDANCE TO HOW POLICIES HAVE TO BE UPDATED.
SO THERE WOULD BE THE FIRST READING.
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THE SECOND READING. BUT YEAH, TONIGHT ALL WE HAD ON THE AGENDA IS, WELL, I THINK WE ACTUALLY HAVE THE POLICIES AS WELL.[F. DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ITEMS]
SO. WE'RE CONSIDERING BOTH.DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU DO WITH YOUR PROCEDURES, YOU WOULD HAVE TO UPDATE YOUR POLICIES.
OKAY. TRUSTEE WESTON HAD ONE MORE POINT OF CLARIFICATION.
I HAVE A POINT OF CLARIFICATION.
WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE ABOUT, C, PAGE 14.
IS THAT CORRECT? IS THAT WHAT? IS THAT WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY DEBATING? CORRECT. OKAY.
TRUSTEE BONE IS SAYING THAT IT'S HER OPINION THAT THE LANGUAGE ON THE TABLE FOR CONSIDERATION IS COVERED IN A POLICY THAT SHE'S REFERENCED, AND THEN YOU AND THEN MADAM CHAIR, YOU DIRECTED HER TO LOOK AT A DIFFERENT POLICY.
SO CAN YOU JUST HELP ME UNDERSTAND? SO SHE'S LOOKING AT OUR POLICY MANUAL, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, BECAUSE WE'RE ALSO BROUGHT POLICY CHANGES THAT ARE ATTACHED TO THE AGENDA.
YEAH. CAN I JUST BUT WE'RE NOT VOTING BUT WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT.
THE MOTION ON THE TABLE IS NOT TO CHANGE A POLICY.
RIGHT. ANY CHANGE TO THIS BOARD OPERATING PROCEDURE THUS AFFECTS THE BOARD POLICY.
AND THE BOARD POLICY WILL BE COMING BACK FOR A FURTHER RATIFICATION.
WHEN WE HAVE THINGS THAT ARE DUAL LOCATED LIKE THAT.
ACTUALLY, WE TRIED TO ELIMINATE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, BUT THE ONLY OTHER OPTION WOULD BE TO TAKE THIS OUT OF OUR BOARD OPERATING PROCEDURES, AND SOMEBODY COULD MAKE THAT MOTION TO ELIMINATE COMMUNICATION SECTION C AND JUST UPDATE BOARD POLICY GBBA, WHICH I WOULD THAT'S WHAT I WOULD DO BECAUSE WE TALKED WE ALREADY HAD THESE CONVERSATIONS WHEN YOU HAVE IT IN TWO PLACES, THEY GET OFF SET BECAUSE YOU CHANGED IT AND IN FACT WERE ALREADY OFF SET.
BECAUSE IT TALKS ABOUT A DISTRICT WIDE CRISIS SITUATION.
IT TALKS ABOUT DISTRICT LEVEL COMMUNICATION.
IT'S ACTUALLY NOT THE EXACT SAME.
AND SO IT'S MISMATCHED ALREADY.
SO I WOULD JUST LEAVE I WOULD LEAVE MAKE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION.
IF YOU WOULD LIKE, I COULD I'M JUST SAYING I WOULDN'T.
MY MY SUBSTITUTE MOTION WOULD BE NOT TO UPDATE IT.
BECAUSE I WILL SAY I THINK YOU ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT THE HISTORY ON WHY THIS WAS EVEN INCLUDED.
AND I THINK THERE IS SOME I THINK THERE'S SOME GOOD ADVICE TO TRUSTEES IN HERE.
AND THAT'S WHAT THE BOARD OPERATING PROCEDURES I THOUGHT WAS FOR WAS FOR THE TRUSTEES, THE BOARD.
AND I THINK IF TRUSTEES DO CHOOSE TO RESPOND BECAUSE WE CAN'T LIMIT TRUSTEES, FREEDOM OF SPEECH, THAT IF THEY DO CHOOSE TO RESPOND DURING A CRISIS, THAT WE ARE ASKING A TRUSTEE TO NOT REPRESENT THE BOARD AS A WHOLE AND TO MAKE A STATEMENT THAT YOU'RE NOT REPRESENTING THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
SO I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO STRIKE, I THINK ACTUALLY HAS SOME VALUE.
OKAY. TRUSTEE SO THAT'S YOUR COMMENT.
TRUSTEE WEIR. THAT'S MY COMMENT.
SO I ACTUALLY CAN I ASK A QUESTION OF TRUSTEE BONE MADAM PRESIDENT? I'M NOT SURE HOW TO DO THAT.
SO YOU'RE SAYING YOU WANT TO LEAVE IN THIS SENTENCE THAT SAYS IF A TRUSTEE CHOOSES TO RESPOND? TO A REQUEST.
AND I REMEMBER THERE WAS SOMETHING AND.
I THOUGHT I REMEMBERED A HISTORY ABOUT THIS, THAT IT WAS THE DESIRE OF THE BOARD THAT IF ONE MEMBER WAS TO RESPOND DURING A CRISIS, THAT THEY DO MAKE A STATEMENT THAT I AM JUST RESPONDING AS A SINGLE TRUSTEE.
I MEAN, I GUESS I'M SO I VERY CLEARLY REMEMBER THAT SITUATION.
SO BUT I WOULD SAY THAT IN THIS IN THIS CASE, IF THERE'S AN ONGOING CRITICAL EVENT OR CRISIS.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE FULL KNOWLEDGE.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANYTHING.
IT'S NOT UP TO US TO TO EVEN ANSWER ANYBODY'S QUESTIONS.
AND I KNOW WE'VE ALL HAD THEM WHERE PEOPLE HAVE SAID, OH, I SEE ALL OF SOMETHING GOING ON AT A SCHOOL, WHAT'S GOING ON? AND THAT'S NOT OUR PLACE.
AND SO I WOULD BE HESITANT TO LEAVE THAT IN THERE.
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THE FINAL DECISION WAS, IS THAT WE CAN'T STOP TRUSTEES FROM RESPONDING LIKE IT WASN'T A CRISIS SITUATION.IT WASN'T A CRITICAL SITUATION.
YEAH, I DON'T REMEMBER. SHE HAD A PRESS CONFERENCE.
AND IT'S NOT THIS TOPIC, SO I DON'T REALLY WANT TO GET OFF.
IT WAS IT WAS A VERY DELIBERATE EVENT.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN I THINK WHAT THIS IS SAYING THIS.
ANYTHING THAT WE WOULD DO THAT WOULD CAUSE CONFUSION IN OUR COMMUNITY OR CAUSE PANIC OR CAUSE ANYTHING LIKE THAT, I THINK IS NOT GOOD FOR OUR STUDENTS, NOT GOOD FOR OUR COMMUNITY, NOT GOOD FOR OUR PARENTS.
BUT THAT'S THE ONLY MOTION ON THE TABLE TOO.
SO I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER LIGHTS ON, SO I HAVE A MOTION.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THE COMMENT TO TO ADD ON TO WHAT YOU SAID, THAT IT POTENTIALLY COULD INTERFERE WITH A SITUATION IF WE WERE TO BE PUTTING INFORMATION OUT THERE AND POTENTIALLY DELAY A RESPONSE OR DELAY WHERE WE NEED PEOPLE TO BE IN A CERTAIN SITUATION.
YEAH, MAYBE, I THINK I HAVE A QUESTION FOR LEGAL.
MAYBE YOU CAN CLARIFY THE LAW FOR US.
WE CAN'T, IF A TRUSTEE CHOOSES WHETHER WHAT WE LIKE OR NOT.
I THINK. I MEAN, ALL THE EVERY TRUSTEE IS, HAS ETHICAL DUTIES.
AND SO SO WE CAN LIMIT SPEECH OFF THE BOARD.
CAN THEY IS THERE ANYTHING THAT THEY CAN DO.
YEAH. THEY JUST YOU SHOW THAT YOU DIDN'T COMPLY WITH THE PROCEDURES SO THAT IF YOU KNOW.
I WOULD HATE TO IMAGINE A SITUATION WHERE A COMMENT.
CAUSED MORE OF A DISRUPTION OR MORE OF A CRISIS.
AND SO IF THAT WERE TO HAPPEN, I THINK THEY WOULD COME BACK AND SAY, YOU KNOW, IT WAS PART OF OUR OPERATING PROCEDURES THAT NOT BE DONE AND THEN TAKE ANY ACTION AGAINST THE TRUSTEE WHO DIDN'T COMPLY WITH THAT.
SO THAT'S THAT'S WHAT COULD BE DONE.
BUT I MEAN, CAN THEY STOP YOU FROM SAYING SOMETHING? ARE YOU I MEAN, YOU'RE IMPLYING THAT WE CAN NOW.
AND JUST I THINK YOU CAN ADOPT A COMMENT.
I THINK AS A AS A BOARD, YOU CAN ADOPT PROCEDURES.
OKAY. SPEECH OF INDIVIDUAL TRUSTEES TO, I THINK, CONTROL ANY TYPE OF PUBLIC HOW AS A TRUSTEE YOU'RE BEING REPRESENTED IN THE PUBLIC? YES I THINK YOU CAN. YOU DON'T HAVE TO.
OKAY. YOU DON'T HAVE TO, BUT YOU CAN.
OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
THANK YOU. I DON'T THINK ANY OF US WOULD SEEK TO DERAIL SOME SORT OF A CRISIS SITUATION BEING RESOLVED QUICKLY AND SAFELY, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUTURE HOLDS.
AND, YOU KNOW, DEFINING, RESPONDING.
I MEAN, IF YOU IF YOU'VE GOT LIKE A MULTI DAY HOSTAGE SITUATION, YOU KNOW, IN A WORST CASE SCENARIO, I COULD SEE MYSELF MAKING A STATEMENT THAT I'M AWARE OF THE SITUATION AND DIRECT ALL INQUIRIES TO THE ADMINISTRATION.
SO IS THAT THEN WEIGHING IN IS THAT THEN, YOU KNOW, COULD THAT COULD SOMEBODY INTERPRET THAT AS I'M RESPONDING BECAUSE I PUBLICLY SAY AND IT'S SOME SORT OF DAYS LONG THING THAT I'M AWARE OF IT AND I'M DIRECTING ALL INQUIRIES.
I MEAN, SO IT'S JUST TOO VAGUE.
I THINK THE TOPIC IS COVERED IN POLICY, AND I THINK WE'RE JUST WASTING TIME DISCUSSING THIS.
SO I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD EVEN BE TALKING ABOUT THIS.
OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR HAND.
ALL OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES FOUR TWO.
WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO PAGE 11.
AND THERE IS A ONE WORD CHANGE IN BOARD REORGANIZATION.
CHANGE IT FROM SHALL TO SHOULD HAVE AT LEAST ONE YEAR OF BOARD SERVICE.
I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION ON THIS THAT I MOVE NOT TO ADOPT THIS CHANGE.
BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE A YEAR OF SERVICE BEFORE YOU SERVE AS A BOARD OFFICER.
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OF COURSE, YOU CAN ALWAYS MAKE A MOTION.BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THAT SHOULD BE STANDARD PRACTICE.
I THINK THAT OUR EXPECTATION SHOULD BE THAT YOU HAVE AT LEAST ONE YEAR OF BOARD SERVICE.
SO I HAVE A MOTION, AND IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO SECOND IT, I'LL SECOND.
OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
SO YOU WANT TO CHANGE SHALL TO SHOULD KNOW IT'S CURRENTLY SAYS SHALL RIGHT.
OH, THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING I WAS CONFUSED.
OKAY. YEAH I WANT TO LEAVE IT.
I MOVE NOT TO ADOPT THE CHANGE TO CHANGE IT FROM SHALL TO SHOULD.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, ALL IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR HAND.
ALL OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES SIX ZERO.
ALL RIGHT. WE ARE ON TO PAGE 15.
A BOARD MEMBER APPROACHED WITH A COMPLAINT IS ENCOURAGED TO LISTEN POLITELY AND REMIND THE COMPLAINANT THAT IT IS THE DESIRE OF THE DISTRICT TO RESOLVE ALL ISSUES, BUT THAT ATTEMPTED RESOLUTION NEEDS TO BEGIN WITH THE SOURCE OF THE COMPLAINT, THE TEACHER, PRINCIPAL AND THE LIKE, AND THAT LOCAL BOARD POLICIES OUTLINE THE FORMAL PROCESS FOR FILING A COMPLAINT IF THE ISSUE CANNOT BE RESOLVED INFORMALLY.
YEAH. SO I MOVE THAT THE BOARD NOT ADOPT AND SECTION ON PAGE 15.
COMMUNICATIONS, SECTION D, COMMUNICATIONS, SECTION D, PAGE 15 AS IT RELATES TO LOCAL AS RELATES TO BBE LOCAL, THE BOARD NOT ADOPT THE CHANGES. SECOND.
SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR HAND.
ALL OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES SIX ZERO.
NEXT ONE IS, THIS IS JUST A CORRECTION.
WHEN THE BOARD OPS WERE ORIGINALLY WRITTEN, THE TITLE WAS EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF COMMUNICATIONS.
THAT PERSON IS TITLE IS NOW CHIEF OF PUBLIC AFFAIRS AND COMMUNICATIONS.
SO THIS IS JUST ALIGNING WITH WHAT THAT NEW OFFICE IS CALLED.
I MOVE THAT WE ADOPT THE NAME CHANGE TO CHIEF OF PUBLIC AFFAIRS AND COMMUNICATIONS AS PRESENTED ON PAGE 15 IN SECTION D, PERFECT.
I DON'T HAVE ANY LIGHTS ON. ALL IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR HAND.
ALL OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES SIX ZERO.
UH, NEXT ONE IS UNDER BOARD COMMUNICATION WITH STAFF NUMBER THREE.
SAYS NO TRUSTEE CAN DIRECT EMPLOYEES IN THE PERFORMANCE OF THEIR DUTIES OR PERSUADE EMPLOYEES, ELICIT POSITIONS FROM EMPLOYEES, OR OBTAIN INFORMATION FROM EMPLOYEES WITHOUT THE BOARD'S APPROVAL INSTEAD OF ITS BOARD KNOWLEDGE BOARD'S APPROVAL OR THE SUPERINTENDENTS CONSENT.
I NEED A MOTION. I MOVE THAT THE BOARD APPROVE E3 ON THE TOP OF PAGE 16 AS PRESENTED SECOND TRUSTEE BONE. SO WE ALL HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT THESE WERE JUST UPDATED NOT TOO LONG AGO.
THE ONLY WAY WE CAN DO THAT IS RIGHT HERE IN THIS MEETING, AND WE'D HAVE TO VOTE ON IT.
AND HERE WE ARE TRYING TO STREAMLINE AND HINDER SPEECH IN SOME AREAS.
AND THEN IN THIS AREA WE'RE ADDING MORE THINGS.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ADD APPROVALS AND ADD DISCUSSION.
AND SO I ABSOLUTELY DO NOT AGREE WITH THIS.
I THINK JUST KEEP IT TO THE BOARD'S KNOWLEDGE OR THE SUPERINTENDENTS CONSENT.
I JUST DON'T THINK THESE CHANGES NEED TO BE MADE.
TRUSTEE. MARKHAM. I JUST HAD A CLARIFYING QUESTION THAT IT IT'S EITHER OR.
RIGHT. SO IT'S EITHER THE BOARD'S APPROVAL OR.
AZAIEZ CONSENT OR THE SUPERINTENDENTS.
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WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? ELICIT A POSITION FROM EMPLOYEES OR OBTAIN INFORMATION FROM EMPLOYEES.I'M CONSTANTLY ON THE RECEIVING END OF PEOPLE TELLING ME THINGS.
AND THEN I HAVE TO GET BOARD'S APPROVAL.
I MEAN, WE DON'T EVEN HAVE ANY POWER AS INDIVIDUALS, ONLY AS A BODY CORPORATE IN THIS FORUM.
SO. I THINK THE INTENT IS THIS IS YOU CAN'T GO TO MR. COVINGTON AND SAY, CAN YOU GIVE ME A REPORT ON ALL THE EXPENDITURES OF BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH? OR MR. COVINGTON, CAN YOU DO THIS FOR ME? YOU NEED TO GO THROUGH THE SUPERINTENDENT OR THROUGH THE BOARD.
NOW IT'S REALLY A POLICY THAT WE'RE ALREADY.
IT'S NOT SAYING YOU CAN'T COMMUNICATE WITH PEOPLE.
IT'S NOT SAYING THAT YOU CAN'T TAKE COMPLAINTS.
YOU CAN'T HEAR FROM THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS.
IT'S RELATED TO TRUSTEES DIRECTING EMPLOYEES IN THE PERFORMANCE OF THEIR DUTIES AND ANY CONTACT OTHER THAN OUR TWO EMPLOYEES, WHICH WOULD BE THE INTERNAL AUDITOR OR SUPERINTENDENT, NEEDS TO GO EITHER THROUGH THE BOARD OR THROUGH THE SUPERINTENDENT.
BUT THAT'S NOT TECHNICALLY IN POLICY.
OKAY, WELL, THIS IS ALL ABOUT EMPLOYEES.
I JUST FEEL LIKE THIS. THE SENTENCE IS NOT BROKEN, SO I'M NOT INCLINED TO FIX IT.
I MEAN, I. I'M NOT EVEN SURE ANYMORE WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY.
WE SHOULD NOT BE DIRECTING ANY EMPLOYEES, PERSUADING THEM.
I ALSO DIDN'T REALLY UNDERSTAND ELICIT A POSITION, BUT.
WE SHOULDN'T BE IN ANYBODY'S BUSINESS.
THAT'S AN EMPLOYEE OF THE DISTRICT.
IT'S THE PART THAT WE'RE CHANGING.
IT SAYS OR OBTAIN INFORMATION FROM EMPLOYEES WITHOUT THE BOARD'S.
IT USED TO BE KNOWLEDGE AND HOW THIS BOARD HAS WORKED SINCE I'VE BEEN ON HERE IS IF SOMEBODY BROUGHT IF THERE WAS A TOPIC THAT WAS BROUGHT UP AND THERE WAS A CONCERN, AND THEN WE WOULD ALL JUST LOOK AT EACH OTHER AND BE LIKE, OKAY, IS IT OKAY IF THEY JUST LIKE, GO WORK WITH MR. COVINGTON OR SOMEBODY TO TO GO FIGURE THIS OUT? THAT CAN'T BE DONE NOW.
NOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION AND VOTE AND ACTUALLY DO BOARD APPROVAL.
I MEAN, A BOARD APPROVAL, IT CAN BE THROUGH A CONSENSUS.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A MOTION.
THAT'S WHY I THINK THE KNOWLEDGE WORD IS WAS THERE.
I THINK IF THERE WAS CONSENSUS, THE SUPERINTENDENT WOULD GIVE HIS CONSENT.
WELL I THINK THAT'S THAT'S WHY I THINK THIS IS RIDICULOUS THOUGH IS I MEAN IT WORKS RIGHT NOW.
CAN SOMEBODY GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE OF WHY THIS IS BEING CHANGED TO APPROVAL AND NOT KNOWLEDGE? SO THAT WOULD COME FROM MISS OCALA.
WHY ARE YOU RECOMMENDING THIS? FOR THAT FORMALITY.
SO THAT IT IS IT IS IT'S ACTUALLY A BOARD DIRECTION AND NOT AN INDIVIDUAL TRUSTEE.
SO I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S JUST CONSISTENT WITH THE BOARD RULES AND TRUSTEE RULES.
YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING THOUGH.
THAT'S NOT HOW WE'VE DONE BUSINESS.
SO THAT'S MY CONCERN IS THAT THERE'S MANY TIMES THAT SOMEBODY HAS AN ISSUE UP HERE.
THE BOARD IS AWARE THAT SOMEBODY IS GOING TO GO OFF.
I MEAN, TRUSTEE HARRISON HAS DONE IT.
WE'RE ALL AWARE OF IT, YOU KNOW, OKAY, THAT'S GOOD, AND WE MOVE ON.
NO, THE SUPERINTENDENT CAN DO IT, AND THAT REQUIRES NO VOTING.
WELL, THAT'S NOT FAIR TO THE TRUSTEE.
AND THAT'S ALSO NOT FAIR TO THE SUPERINTENDENT.
NOW THE SUPERINTENDENT HAS TO GIVE CONSENT.
WHY ARE WE CHANGING THIS THEN? I MEAN, NOW YOU'RE JUST MAKING THIS MORE CUMBERSOME.
I MEAN, JUST LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS.
THERE DOESN'T NEED TO BE APPROVAL.
AND WE CAN'T WE ALREADY CAN'T DIRECT TRUSTEES.
AND THAT'S HOW WE'VE DONE IT ON HERE FOR A LONG TIME.
SO. I MEAN, THE PROBLEM I HAVE WITH THESE, BY THE WAY, IS THAT THE WAY THIS HAS WORKED IS SOME OF US ON THIS BOARD ARE REPRIMANDED FOR THINGS. AND THEN SOME OF US ARE NOT.
SO JUST I DON'T UNDERSTAND, JUST LEAVE IT, IF IT'S NOT BROKEN, LEAVE IT.
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AND WHILE I WILL AGREE WITH YOU, TRUSTEE BONE THAT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THIS IS BEING ABUSED AT THIS POINT IN TIME, IT HAS BEEN ABUSED IN THE PAST, THERE HAVE BEEN TRUSTEES WHO HAVE GONE OUT ON THEIR OWN AND ENDED UP COSTING THE DISTRICT A LOT OF MONEY AND IT COULD HAPPEN AGAIN IN THE FUTURE.AND WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT THESE POLICIES DON'T APPLY JUST TO THE SEVEN OF US ON THIS BOARD RIGHT NOW, BUT ANYBODY THAT COMES BEHIND US AND IN FRONT OF US, SORRY, WHO COMES ALONG NEXT THAT THEY NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S APPROVAL THAT'S BEING GIVEN.
AND I DON'T THINK IT'S ANYTHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW.
TRUSTEE WESTON. SO IF I GET A EMAIL OR AN IN-PERSON REQUEST FROM AN EMPLOYEE TO SIT DOWN WITH THEM AND LISTEN TO THEM.
AND I DON'T GAIN APPROVAL FROM THE BOARD OR THE SUPERINTENDENT IN ADVANCE OF THAT.
AM I IN VIOLATION OF THIS? IN MY OPINION, I WOULD SAY NO BECAUSE IT SAYS OBTAIN INFORMATION.
IF SOMEBODY IS TELLING ME SOMETHING BECAUSE THEY WANT ME TO HEAR THEM TELL, HEAR THEIR STORY, OR HEAR THEIR COMPLAINT OR HEAR THEIR WHATEVER, AREN'T I OBTAINING INFORMATION? WE ALREADY HAVE A POLICY THAT ALLOWS YOU TO LISTEN TO COMPLAINTS AND THEN FORWARD THEM TO THE SUPERINTENDENT.
BUT WHAT IF I DON'T DO ANYTHING WITH IT? WHAT IF I JUST LISTEN TO IT AND THEN I GO HOME AND I DO SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE A VIOLATION OF BOARD POLICY? BECAUSE IF YOU'RE LISTENING TO AN EMPLOYEE WHO IS COMPLAINING TO YOU, BOARD POLICY STATES THAT YOU WILL FORWARD THAT TO THE SUPERINTENDENT.
THAT'S PART OF OUR CURRENT BOARD POLICY.
WELL, THERE'S NOTHING TO FORWARD.
YOU CAN SAY, FILE A GRIEVANCE.
THEN YOU SHOULD ALSO PUT IT IN WRITING TO THE SUPERINTENDENT.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THEM.
IT'S FINE. I DON'T I SOMETIMES I THINK PEOPLE ALSO LIE, SO.
AND I'M NOT ALWAYS IN A POSITION TO LIKE, ANYWAYS, MY QUESTION IS IF I, IF I AGREE TO HEAR SOMEBODY, AM I IN VIOLATION OF THIS? THAT'S MY QUESTION. I ALREADY GAVE YOU MY OPINION.
TRUSTEE I MEAN, BUT IT REALLY SHOULD FOLLOW TO MS..
OCALA. AGAIN, THIS IS IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO MODIFY IT.
TO MAKE THAT MORE CLEAR, I THINK YOU CAN YOU CAN DO THAT.
SO YOU CAN IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND IT, BECAUSE IT'S NOT CLEAR.
I THINK YOU CAN DISCUSS AS A BOARD HOW TO MAKE INFORMATION.
HOW ABOUT THAT? OBTAIN WRITTEN INFORMATION.
WELL I DON'T CAN I JUST LIKE I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU, BUT ACTUALLY FOR A DIFFERENT REASON BECAUSE I THINK THE DIFFERENCE WOULD BE IF SOMEONE APPROACHES YOU AND THEY ARE INITIATING THE CONTACT TO GIVE YOU INFORMATION THAT'S VERY DIFFERENT THAN US AS TRUSTEES GOING TO AN EMPLOYEE AND SAYING, CAN I GET INFORMATION? AND I THE WAY I READ THIS, IT'S US GOING, RATHER NOT US JUST RECEIVING BECAUSE I AGREE, THERE'S NO WAY TO STOP PEOPLE IN HEB OTHER THAN I LIKE TO GET ICE CREAM FIRST AND THEN SAY I HAVE FROZENS.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT I AGREE YOU CAN'T.
SO I THINK THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE IN MY MIND AS I READ THAT IT'S HOW THE INFORMATION WHO WAS INITIATING IT IF THEY'RE GOING TO INITIATE IT TO YOU.
WELL, THERE'S ALSO LIKE WELL, HONESTLY, THERE'S COMMENTS LIKE, HAVE A NICE DAY.
LIKE IF I TELL YOU TO HAVE A NICE DAY, AM I DIRECTING YOU? BECAUSE, I MEAN, THIS BOARD HAS TAKEN ACTION ON A TRUSTEE WHO SAID, NEXT TIME, THINK OF ALL STUDENTS AS SOME SORT OF DIRECTIVE.
AND SHE WAS REPRIMANDED FORMALLY.
SO THIS WHOLE THING ABOUT THE WORD APPROVAL IS WHAT GIVES ME PAUSE.
SO I'LL MAKE AN AMENDED MOTION TO MAKE NO CHANGES ON LETTER E, PAGE 16 UNDER BOARD COMMUNICATION WITH STAFF.
AND WE'LL SEE IF I GET A SECOND.
SECOND, JUST A POINT OF ORDER, TRUSTEE WESTON.
YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO REFERENCE PRIOR BEHAVIOR, PRIOR INCIDENCES OF OTHER TRUSTEES.
THAT'S IN WHAT WE JUST COVERED IN THE PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE SECTION.
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PLEASE REFRAIN FROM REFERRING TO PREVIOUS BEHAVIOR.OKAY. SO WHEN I'M SO WHEN WE'RE DEBATING A TOPIC, I GUESS FOR THE ATTORNEY, WHEN WE'RE DEBATING A TOPIC, I CAN'T STRENGTHEN MY ARGUMENT OR MAKE MY CASE BY CITING PRECEDENT.
IF IT'S WITH REGARD TO A PREVIOUS LET'S SEE, I'LL LOOK AT IT UP HERE.
I WASN'T TALKING ABOUT HER LIKE I WASN'T CASTING AN OPINION ON HER BEHAVIOR.
IT'S ON PAGE EIGHT. IT SAYS REFRAIN FROM REFERENCES TO PRIOR CONDUCT NOT PENDING.
I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T I DIDN'T EVEN OFFER AN OPINION ON HER STATEMENT.
I WAS REFERRING TO THE PRECEDENT THAT THE BOARD SET.
TRUSTEES CANNOT REFLECT ADVERSELY ON ANY PRIOR ACT.
I WAS NOT SPEAKING ADVERSELY, I WAS REFERENCING A PRECEDENT THAT THE BOARD HAS SET.
OKAY. SO YOU HAVE A MOTION TO NOT ADOPT THIS CHANGE.
OKAY. AND WE HAVE SO, DID YOU MAKE AN AMENDED MOTION? OKAY. SO WE HAVE TO DO I NEED TO SAY IT AGAIN.
WE'RE VOTING ON THE MOTION TWICE.
DO WE WANT TO? THE FIRST ONE IS TO VOTE TO WHETHER WE WANT TO ACCEPT THE AMENDED MOTION.
ALL IN FAVOR OF ACCEPTING THE AMENDED MOTION, RAISE YOUR HAND.
THAT KICKS US BACK TO THE ORIGINAL MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED.
ALL IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR HAND.
NOW WE ARE DOWN TO F ON PAGE 16.
BOARD COMMUNICATION WITH LEGAL COUNSEL.
WE ARE HONING IN ON THE ENDS OF THESE.
REQUESTS FROM TRUSTEES FOR LEGAL SERVICES SHOULD BE DIRECTED TO THE BOARD PRESIDENT IN WRITING.
ALL BOARD MEMBERS SHALL ACCEPT THOSE UNUSUAL CIRCUMSTANCES IN WHICH THE ATTORNEY'S PROFESSIONAL RESPONSIBILITIES TO THE BOARD PROHIBIT THE SHARING OF SUCH INFORMATION, BE PROVIDED WITH ANY INFORMATION, ADVICE OR OPINION FROM THE DISTRICT'S LEGAL COUNSEL.
MADAM PRESIDENT, I MOVE THE BOARD ACCEPT ITEM F ON PAGE 16 AS PRESENTED.
SECOND. OKAY, I DON'T HAVE ANY TRUSTEE WESTON.
SO I DON'T KNOW THAT I'VE EVER LIKE SOUGHT LEGAL SERVICES, BUT SOMETIMES LIKE IS ASKING A QUESTION LIKE COPYING THEM ON AN EMAIL IS THAT I THINK YOU AND DR.
SO DOES THAT SATISFY THIS? IF THERE'S AN EMAIL THAT YOU GUYS ARE ON, AND THEN I COPY THE ATTORNEYS AND ASK THEM TO WEIGH IN.
IN MY OPINION, IF THE BOARD PRESIDENT CAN IS COPIED, THE BOARD PRESIDENT CAN THEN GIVE DIRECTION, IF THERE'S IF YOU SAY WE DON'T, THIS IS NOT APPROPRIATE OR NOT. SO YOU HAVE NOTICE OF THAT.
SO I THINK IT WOULD BUT THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE BOARD.
BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WORKING.
LIKE I'VE ASKED A QUESTION, I KNOW TRUSTEE WEIR HAS ASKED A QUESTION.
THOSE ARE JUST THE ONES I CAN THINK OF OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
SO I DID ASK FOR PERMISSION TO CONTACT THEM BEFORE I SENT THAT EMAIL.
I THINK THIS INTENTION IS JUST TO CONTROL, AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, ESCALATING LEGAL EXPENSES.
AND SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS ASKED ALSO WHEN YOU WERE INTERVIEWING COUNSEL IS WHAT CAN YOU DO? AND SO THIS IS AGAIN SUGGESTION.
AND IT'S UP FOR THE BOARD TO DECIDE WHAT YOU WANT TO HOW YOU CAN BEST DO THAT.
OKAY. SO MY CONCERN IF THIS IF THE INTENT HERE IS THAT IS TO CONTROL LEGAL FEES THAT COULD SPIRAL OUT OF CONTROL WITH A ROGUE TRUSTEE WHO'S CONSTANTLY, YOU KNOW, WANTING ALL THIS LEGAL ADVICE, THAT'S ONE THING.
BUT THE WAY THIS IS WRITTEN, I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT THE BOARD PRESIDENT IS ACTING AS A GATEKEEPER AND COULD DETERMINE AND COULD TREAT TRUSTEES DIFFERENTLY.
SO HOW DO WE PREVENT THAT? ARE WE I MEAN, ARE WE LOOKING FOR CONSENSUS? BECAUSE I WOULD SAY THAT IF YOU CC THE PRESIDENT, THAT WOULD BE IN WRITING AND THEN SHE IF SHE READS IT AND SAYS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS
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THE 14TH TIME, OR, YOU KNOW, HAVING LOOKED AT THE LEGAL BILLS, COULD THEN REACH OUT AND SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GOING TO SPEND MONEY ON THIS RIGHT NOW. CAN WE DO WHATEVER? I WOULD THINK AS LONG AS YOU'RE SEEING ALL OF THEM, BECAUSE I KNOW, LIKE WHEN I WAS IN THAT POSITION, YOU DO GET INTO THAT SPOT WHERE YOU FIND OUT WHEN YOU'RE READING THE BILLS THAT SOMEBODY HAS CALLED AND SPENT HOURS ON THE PHONE WITH SOMEBODY.OH, WOW. AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, 200 AND SOMETHING DOLLARS AN HOUR.
WELL, COULD WE CHANGE THE LANGUAGE THAT THE BOARD PRESIDENT WILL BE COPIED ON ANY INQUIRIES TO BOARD COUNSEL? WELL, I DO THINK THERE HAS TO BE SOME KIND OF GATEKEEPING.
LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, RECENTLY THERE WAS A QUESTION THAT WAS PROPOSED TO BOARD COUNSEL.
IT HAPPENED TO BE THE DAY OF A MEETING, AND I SAID, WE WILL ADDRESS THIS AT THE MEETING TONIGHT, BECAUSE IT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE FOR BOARD COUNSEL TO SPEND THE TIME RESPONDING TO THE EMAIL, DOING ALL THE RESEARCH, THEN FORMALIZING A DRAFT WHEN WE HAD A MEETING THAT EVENING.
AND IT COULD BE DELIVERED IN A MEETING THAT WE'RE ALREADY PAYING THAT PERSON TO BE AT.
I'M NOT IN THE HABIT OF TRYING TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM CONTACTING.
AND HAVING IT IN WRITING, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL CONCERN ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS YOU HAVE A G1B THAT YOU WANT TO BRING AND YOU WANT TO TALK TO LEGAL COUNSEL BEFORE YOU DO THAT, JUST SHOOT AN EMAIL AND SAY, HEY, I'D LIKE TO REACH OUT TO BOARD COUNSEL BECAUSE I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT G1B, ABSOLUTELY DO IT.
IT'S JUST A MATTER OF, LOOK, LET'S THINK ABOUT THIS AND DO WE NEED TO RESPOND TO IT IN EMAIL BACK AND FORTH FOUR TIMES TODAY, OR CAN IT WAIT FIVE HOURS UNTIL WE HAVE OUR MEETING? SO CAN WE CHANGE THIS TO WE ALREADY HAVE A MOTION FOR THIS, RIGHT, FOR THIS LANGUAGE TO APPROVE THIS.
I'LL SECOND. BUT WHAT IF IT'S NOT IN AN EMAIL? WHAT IF SOMEBODY TEXTS ME AND SAYS, HEY, CAN I CONTACT BOARD COUNSEL? OKAY. OKAY, THEN.
WELL, MAYBE WE'LL JUST USE THE WORDS THAT ARE HERE.
BOARD MEMBERS SHALL SHALL INFORM, COPY OR OTHERWISE NOTIFY IN WRITING THE BOARD PRESIDENT ABOUT INQUIRIES.
BUT HOW DO YOU DEFINE THE TWO SEPARATE SITUATIONS WHERE YOU'RE JUST IT'S JUST LIKE ONE QUESTION THROUGH AN EMAIL VERSUS YOU NEEDED TO SIT DOWN AND MEET AND HAD, I FEEL LIKE THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT SCENARIOS.
SO HOW DO YOU. WELL, I THINK AS LONG AS THE BOARD PRESIDENT HAS VISIBILITY OF ALL OF IT FOR ME, I DON'T I WANT IT TO BE WRITTEN AS IT'S INFORMATIVE AND NOT REQUIRING OF APPROVAL.
BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT SOMEBODY'S GOT TO KEEP TRACK OF THAT.
BUT IF IT'S IF THERE'S NO APPROVAL AND I'M NOT AGREEING OR DISAGREEING.
I'M JUST ASKING YOU THIS QUESTION IS IF THERE'S NOT AN APPROVAL PROCESS, HOW DO YOU DECREASE THE FEES? IF IT'S JUST, HEY, I'M GOING TO EMAIL BOARD COUNSEL 17 TIMES A DAY, BUT I'VE COPIED BOARD PRESIDENT ON IT.
HOW DO YOU STOP THAT? WELL, I THINK AS YOU KNOW, AS LEADERS, YOU KNOW, THE BOARD PRESIDENT WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S GOTTEN OUT OF SPIRALING OUT OF CONTROL HERE.
SO I'VE GOT AN OBLIGATION TO PRESS PAUSE ON THIS, AND I'LL PUT IT ON THE AGENDA.
AND YOU CAN EXPLAIN TO YOUR COLLEAGUES WHY I SHOULD CONTINUE TO LET YOU DO THIS.
SO LET ME JUST PLAY DEVIL'S ADVOCATE.
WHERE'S THAT IN POLICY? WELL, I THINK I MEAN, I'M JUST I'M SERIOUSLY PLAYING THIS DEVIL'S ADVOCATE.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE BOARD PRESIDENT HAS THIS OBLIGATION TO MAKE THIS DETERMINATION THAT SOMETHING IS SPIRALING OUT OF CONTROL? NONE OF THAT IS IN POLICY.
SO IF BOARD PRESIDENT DOES THAT, WHERE'S THAT IN POLICY?
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WELL, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT I WOULD PREFER.I WOULD PREFER ALL THE INVOICES TO HAVE NAMES ATTACHED TO THEM.
THAT'S WHERE I SORT OF ON THE BACK END SKUNK CHECK, YOU KNOW WHO'S RACKING UP THE FEES PERSONALLY? BUT IF WE CAN PREVENT THAT.
I MEAN, I'M JUST WONDERING IF IT'S AS SIMPLE AS..
BUT BACK TO YOUR EARLIER QUESTION.
I MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOU, BUT YOUR EARLIER QUESTION ABOUT THE TWO DIFFERENT SCENARIOS, IF A TRUSTEE WERE TO REACH OUT TO ME AND SAY, I NEED TO REACH OUT TO BOARD COUNSEL FOR WHATEVER, I WILL NEVER SAY NO BECAUSE WE SERVE IN A HIGHLY VISIBLE ROLE.
NOW, IF THAT WERE TO GO BACK AND FORTH AND BOARD COUNSEL WERE TO CONTACT ME AND SAY, HEY, I'VE SPENT FIVE HOURS ON THE PHONE, THEN I WOULD SAY, LET'S STOP RESPONDING AND I WILL PUT IT ON AN AGENDA, BUT I'M NEVER GOING TO TELL SOMEBODY, I MEAN, THIS IS ME PERSONALLY.
I'LL TRY NOT TO BREAK THIS ONE.
AS SOMEONE WHO AND I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO DOG AND ANY OF THIS FIGHT TONIGHT.
NO FIGHT. THIS IS NOT NOTHING.
AND I KNOW THAT NEITHER MICHELLE OR SARAH WOULD EVER SAY THIS TO YOU, BUT I WILL TELL YOU, AS SOMEONE WHO WAS IN THAT POSITION, IT IS INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT.
AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THIS BOARD.
I'M TALKING ABOUT A FUTURE BOARD.
SAY YOU HAVE A BOARD MEMBER WHO IS CALLING YOU 18 TIMES A DAY.
YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO NOT TAKE THAT CALL OR ANYTHING.
SO IT DIRECTING THEM THROUGH ONE PERSON DOES MAKE IT EASIER FOR BOARD COUNSEL.
AND THAT'S JUST SO THEY ARE NOT PLACED IN A POSITION WHERE THEY'RE TELLING A BOARD MEMBER, I'M SORRY, I YOU KNOW, I'VE SPENT TOO MUCH TIME ON THIS AND I DON'T THINK THE DISTRICT IS, IT'S JUST EASIER FOR A BOARD COUNSEL NOT TRYING TO TAKE WORDS OR PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH. I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A PERSPECTIVE OF SOMEONE WHO USED TO DO THIS.
OKAY, SO I'VE TRUSTEE MARKHAM.
WHAT IF SOMEDAY THERE IS A PRESIDENT THAT SAYS NO ALL THE TIME, AND YOU HAVE THAT IN WRITING? I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE THAT'S IMPORTANT TO BRING TO THE BOARD.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE LESS LIKELY SCENARIO THAT WOULD HAPPEN.
AND I WOULD ERR ON THE SIDE OF PREVENTING THOSE FEES FROM RACKING UP AND MAKING THAT PROCESS.
EVEN IN WRITING THAT, MISS OCALA DOES NOT RESPOND UNTIL THE PRESIDENT OKAYS IT IN WRITING.
I JUST THINK THERE'S A LOT OF ACCOUNTABILITY ON BOTH SIDES OF THAT FOR US.
TRUSTEE BONE. SO SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD, WE'VE DONE THIS TWO DIFFERENT WAYS.
I MEAN, IT KIND OF LEADS TO THE POINT THAT TRUSTEE WESTON WAS MAKING THAT, YOU KNOW, LET'S JUST HAVE IT TO WHERE THE BOARD PRESIDENT IS JUST NOTIFIED BECAUSE THE ONE SITUATION THAT HAS HAPPENED AND COULD HAPPEN AGAIN IS THAT IF THERE'S A CONCERN OR AN ISSUE WITH THE BOARD PRESIDENT, THIS DOESN'T ACTUALLY SAY WHAT HAPPENS.
AND IF THE BOARD PRESIDENT IS BLOCKING LEGAL COUNSEL WHEN A TRUSTEE IS TRYING TO GET LEGAL COUNSEL ABOUT THE BOARD PRESIDENT, I THINK THAT COULD ACTUALLY END UP COSTING THE SCHOOL DISTRICT JUST A LOT OF MONEY.
SO I WOULD SAY THAT WE I REALLY LIKE YOUR MOTION.
THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING THAT PROHIBITS THE BOARD PRESIDENT FROM BRINGING AN AGENDA TOPIC THAT SAYS, HEY, WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT A TRUSTEE IN CLOSED SESSION ABOUT THEIR LEGAL FEES AND THAT, YOU KNOW, COULD TOTALLY BE DONE, NOT A PROBLEM.
AND SO I THINK THAT'S THE WAY TO GO ABOUT THIS.
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AND SOME TRUSTEES ARE PROBABLY GOING TO NEED MORE LEGAL ADVICE THAN OTHERS, BECAUSE MAYBE THEY'VE NEVER BEEN IN THIS ENVIRONMENT OR THEY'RE NEW, OR THERE COULD BE A MULTITUDE OF REASONS. SO I REALLY LIKE THE WAY THAT YOU PUT IT.AND I DO THINK IT SHOULD ALL BE THROUGH EMAIL.
IT REALLY CONCERNS ME THAT I HEARD TEXT MESSAGING.
I DO NOT BELIEVE THEY SHOULD BE THROUGH TEXT MESSAGES.
SO I WOULD ACTUALLY SAY THAT THEY NEED EMAILS.
AND ACTUALLY I THINK I LIKED YOUR AMENDMENT BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S EXACTLY THE WAY MEAN.
WE'VE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS TONIGHT ABOUT WHY EMAIL SHOULD BE THE WAY TO GO.
TIME. DID YOU MAKE THE MOTION, AND IT WAS, DID WE VOTE ON YOUR AMENDED MOTION? I DON'T THINK WE VOTED ON ANYTHING.
I JUST AMENDED BASICALLY TO CHANGE, BE DIRECTED TO, TO COPY.
AND SO I THINK MARY SECONDED IT, THERE HAVE BEEN NO VOTES.
OKAY, SO I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
I DO HAVE TWO LIGHTS ON ACTUALLY THOUGH.
I JUST HAD MY MY ONLY CAUTION IS THAT THE LEGAL FEES DON'T COME IN.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT JUST FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.
THERE ARE. YOU CAN RACK UP THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IN THAT MONTH.
AND IF THERE IS NOT A WAY AND I AND I GET THAT WE'RE DOING COPIED THAT YOU'RE SAYING COPIED.
BUT IF THERE'S NOT A WAY FOR THE BOARD PRESIDENT TO PUT A STOP TO THAT, BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING.
IT FORESEEABLY COULD BE A PROBLEM.
AND I'M NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT NECESSARILY ANYONE HERE, BUT THAT HAS BEEN A PROBLEM IN THE PAST, [INAUDIBLE].
AND THE ONLY COMMENT THAT I'LL MAKE IS.
LIKE I'M ALL IN FAVOR OF THE LESS THAT I HAVE TO APPROVE, THE LESS THAT I HAVE TO DO.
BUT IF THERE'S NOT A PROCESS THAT CAN STOP IT, THAT EVEN IF IT'S IN WRITING, IT TAKES HOWEVER LONG TILL OUR NEXT MEETING, THEN GETTING IT ON THE AGENDA AND THEN ADDRESSING IT BEFORE YOU CAN STOP IT.
AND SO IF THERE'S NOT A PROCESS IN OUR OPERATING PROCEDURES TO STOP THIS EXCESSIVE CONTACTING OF A OF OUR BOARD COUNCIL, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO THAT.
YES, MISS OCALA, I JUST WANTED TO REMIND THE BOARD THAT OUR ENGAGEMENT LETTER WITH THE BOARD SAYS THAT ALL INQUIRIES TO COUNCIL WOULD COME THROUGH THE BOARD PRESIDENT. SO THAT IS USUALLY WITH REGARD TO THE PHONE, WHAT IT SAYS IS IF WE GET A CALL FROM AN INDIVIDUAL TRUSTEE, WE HAVE TO WE HAVE TO TALK TO THE BOARD PRESIDENT.
OKAY. SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO MODIFY.
THIS IS WHETHER YOU WANT TO ACCEPT THE MODIFIED MOTION.
ALL OPPOSED. A MOTION ABSTAINING.
I'M SORRY. I WANTED TO ADD SOMETHING.
OKAY, SO THE AMENDED MOTION FAILS.
ACTUALLY, CAN I MAKE AN AMENDED MOTION TO MY ORIGINAL MOTION? MISS OCALA, CAN SHE AMEND HER OWN MOTION? YES. OKAY.
YES. I WAS JUST TOO TRUSTEE BONE'S POINT IF I WAS JUST GOING TO ADD IN WRITING BY EMAIL OR VIA EMAIL OR THROUGH EMAIL.
I DON'T KNOW WHICH WORDING WE WANT TO USE, BUT JUST TO ADD..
SO SHALL BE DIRECTED TO THE BOARD PRESIDENT VIA EMAIL.
YEAH. AND THAT WAY WE HAVE A RECORD.
I THINK YOU HAVE TO KEEP IN WRITING JUST BECAUSE THERE ARE MANY WAYS OF WRITING, NOT JUST EMAIL.
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NO. UNLESS WE JUST WANT IT TO BE ONLY.NO. IT SHALL BE DIRECTED TO THE BOARD PRESIDENT VIA EMAIL, NOT IN WRITING.
I KNOW, BUT I'M SAYING MAYBE AD VIA EMAIL AND KEEP THE IN WRITING AS WELL IN CASE YOU HAVE A..
SO WE'RE BEING SPECIFIC ABOUT IT? YEAH, WE'RE BEING VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT HOW YOU WOULD REQUEST IT.
THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION IS WE'RE VOTING.
DO YOU WANT TO ACCEPT A SUBSTITUTE MOTION FROM MS..
TRUSTEE WEIR? ALL IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR HAND.
TRUSTEE BONE, I COULDN'T TELL.
SO NOW WE'LL VOTE TO APPROVE THE CHANGE, THAT'LL SAY DIRECTED TO THE BOARD PRESIDENT VIA EMAIL.
ALL IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR HAND.
ALL OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES FOUR TWO.
I DID HAVE A CLARIFYING QUESTION ABOUT THE POLICIES, BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY HAD MOTION LANGUAGE IN OUR FOLDER THAT LOOK LIKE THEY WERE, YOU WANTED THEM APPROVED TONIGHT, BUT THEN TRUST PRESIDENT LANDRUM SAID THIS WAS JUST FIRST READING.
ARE WE DOING THIS AS FIRST READING OR ARE WE HAVE A FEW MINUTES.
I'VE BEEN TRYING TO TRACK THESE AND I.
THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BRING BED BACK ANYWAY SO WE CAN BRING THOSE AT THE REGULAR MEETING.
ALL THREE OF THESE, I MEAN, ALL FOUR OF THEM.
OKAY. I ONLY HAVE ONE MORE THING THAT WAS NOT RECOMMENDED BY BOARD COUNSEL, BUT ONE ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATION. AND IF THIS IS NOT ENOUGH TIME FOR PEOPLE TO CONSIDER IT TONIGHT, THEN I UNDERSTAND.
BUT ON PAGE 11 WHEN WE TALK ABOUT BOARD REORGANIZATION OF OFFICERS, ADDING A IN SECTION F THAT IF THERE IS ONLY ONE NOMINATION FOR AN OFFICER POSITION, NO VOTE SHALL BE TAKEN AND THE NOMINEE WILL BE APPROVED BY ACCLAMATION.
SO WE DON'T EVEN HAVE TO HAVE A VOTE.
F TALKS ABOUT NOMINATIONS REQUIRE A SECOND AND THEN VOTING ON IT.
BUT IF THERE'S ONLY ONE NOMINEE THAT WE DON'T EVEN HAVE TO TAKE A VOTE, THAT THAT POSITION WILL BE NAMED BY ACCLAMATION. JUST SAVES HAVING TO MAKE A MOTION AND THAT'S HOW WE I MEAN, THAT'S HOW PTA DOES IT.
SO I'M GOING TO MAKE THE MOTION.
IF PEOPLE AREN'T READY TO VOTE FOR IT.
OR DO I HAVE ANY FEEDBACK ON IT OTHER THAN THE MOTION? OKAY. SO MY MOTION IS TO ADD TO BOARD REORGANIZATION, SLASH ELECTION OF OFFICERS SECTION F, A SENTENCE THAT STATES IF THERE IS ONLY ONE NOMINATION FOR A BOARD OFFICER POSITION, NO VOTE SHALL BE TAKEN AND THE NOMINEE WILL BE NAMED THAT BOARD OFFICER BY ACCLAMATION.
SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, TRUSTEE BONE.
I HAVE A I HAD A POINT OF CLARIFICATION.
NOT MINE WAS ABOUT IF THE AGENDA FOR TONIGHT WAS AGENDA RIGHT FOR FIRST READING, BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT ACTUALLY HAD TO SAY THAT WE WERE DOING FIRST READING AND POLICIES.
BUT THAT. SO THAT'S NOT RELATED TO THE MOTION ON THE TABLE.
I KNOW THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING. MY LIGHT WAS ON FOR A CLARIFICATION.
THE MOTION. YEAH, I HAD THAT SAME QUESTION.
SO ARE WE GOING TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET THAT ANSWERED? YEAH. YOU CAN ASK A QUESTION AFTER THIS.
OKAY. SO I'M OPPOSED TO THIS BECAUSE I JUST DON'T SEE THE DOWNSIDE OF BEING ABLE TO CAST A VOTE.
I MEAN, THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY POWER THAT WE HAVE IS CASTING VOTES.
THAT'S LIKE THE SUM TOTAL OF OUR POWER.
SO I'M NOT FOR REMOVING THAT ABILITY REALLY ON ANYTHING.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? YOUR LIGHTS ON. BUT THAT'S STILL ABOUT THAT PREVIOUS ONE.
OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO NO OTHER COMMENTS, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR OF ADDING THE STATEMENT BY ACCLAMATION, AS PREVIOUSLY NOTED, RAISE YOUR HAND.
ALL OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES FOUR TWO.
SO TWO ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS.
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AGENDIZED FOR THE FIRST READING IT SAYS FIRST READING OF POLICY.BUT TONIGHT THAT WAS NOT THE CASE.
IT WAS AGENDIZED AS IF WE WERE JUST GOING TO.
SO. I DID SOME RED LINES HERE BASED ON THE PROPOSALS.
SO WITH REGARD TO THE FOUR POLICIES, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT MUCH OF WHAT IS CONTAINED IN THE BED, FOR INSTANCE, HAS BEEN TABLED.
SO THERE'S THIS WOULD NOT BE A FIRST READING.
WE NEEDED TO GET FEEDBACK ON WHAT Y'ALL WERE GOING TO APPROVE AND NOT APPROVE.
WE DON'T THINK WE ENDED UP TABLING ANYTHING AFTER ALL, DID WE? NOT TABLED? BUT IT'S NOT, IT DID NOT GO FORWARD.
THIS IS BED WAS THE ONE THAT HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER PEOPLE COULD TALK OFF AGENDA OR NOT.
NO, WE ACTUALLY ENDED UP PASSING THAT.
BUT IT WILL TAKE EFFECT IN DECEMBER.
OKAY, I THAT MUST HAVE BEEN WHEN I WENT OVER TO GO GET THE DIET COKE.
SO THAT'S WHAT I GET FOR LEAVING THE BOARD ROOM..
THAT'S WHERE I WAS TRYING TO ACTUALLY GET TO.
SO WE WILL ALSO BRING THESE FOUR POLICIES BACK AT THAT TIME.
ALL RIGHT. SEEING NOTHING ELSE ON THE AGENDA AND NO LIGHTS ON.
IT IS 11:46 AND WE ARE ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.