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IT IS 5:30 ON THURSDAY, DECEMBER THE 8TH, 2022.
IN ATTENDANCE TONIGHT TRUSTEE JOHNSON.
ITEM D 1 WILL BE PULLED FROM THE AGENDA.
ITEM D 2 WILL BE POSTPONED TO A LATER BOARD MEETING.
AND THEN THE OTHER TWO ITEMS ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA WILL BE HEARD.
I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THESE OUT OF ORDER IN DEFERENCE TO THE GRIEVANT THAT IS HERE.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO START WITH F 1 UNLESS I HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS FROM TRUSTEES.
THEN WE WILL GO ON TO ITEM F 1.
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THE BOARD WILL MEET TO DISCUSS, DELIBERATE AND CONSIDER THE LEVEL THREE GRIEVANCE FILED BY DEBORAH SIMMONS.AND THEN I WILL HAVE A SCRIPT THAT WE WILL READ AS WELL.
SO GIVE ME JUST A SECOND TO GET THIS STARTED.
ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE A RECORDING? WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A SEPARATE RECORDING SINCE WE'RE DOING THIS IN OPEN.
OKAY. SO THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS TO CONSIDER THE LEVEL THREE GRIEVANT OF DEBORAH SIMMONS.
DOESN'T IT APPEAR THAT YOU ARE OK.
FANTASTIC. IT IS DECEMBER THE 8, 2022.
IN ORDER TO PROVIDE AN ACCURATE RECORDING AN AUDIO REPRESENTATION OF THE PROCEEDINGS IS BEING MADE.
THE FOLLOWING BOARD MEMBERS ARE PRESENT TRUSTEES WEIR, JOHNSON, BONE, WESTON AND LANDRUM.
THE GRIEVANT WILL PRESENT THEIR LEVEL THREE COMPLAINT TO THE BOARD.
I WILL ASK THE BOARD MEMBERS NOT TO INTERRUPT DURING THE PRESENTATION.
WHEN THE GRIEVANT HAS COMPLETED THE PRESENTATION, THE ADMINISTRATION MAY MAKE A REPLY.
MEMBERS OF THE BOARD ARE NOT TO BE QUESTIONED.
I WILL ASK THE PARTIES TO PLEASE LIMIT YOUR PRESENTATIONS TO 10 MINUTES EACH.
FINALLY, I CAUTIONED THE PARTIES THAT THE BOARD WILL CONSIDER ONLY THE ISSUES AND DOCUMENTS INCLUDED IN THE DOCUMENT SUBMITTED BY THE PARTIES WHICH WERE SENT TO THE BOARD MEMBERS FOR REVIEW.
THE GRIEVANT AND ADMINISTRATION HAVE BEEN PROVIDED WITH A COPY OF THESE DOCUMENTS SENT TO THE BOARD.
I WILL ALSO ASK FOR ANY OTHER INDIVIDUALS OTHER THAN TRUSTEES TO STATE THEIR NAME FOR THE RECORD.
AND WE'LL GO AHEAD AND START DOWN HERE AT THIS TABLE.
VALERIE CARRILLO, BOARD COUNSEL.
DAVID FALTYS, MONITOR FOR TEA.
ALL RIGHT. TRUSTEE WEIR WILL BE THE TIMEKEEPER TONIGHT.
WHAT KIND OF WARNING WOULD YOU LIKE? A TWO MINUTE, A 30 SECOND.
THERE IS A RUNNING CLOCK RIGHT HERE FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO SEE.
WOULD YOU LIKE A TWO MINUTE WARNING, OR DOES THAT SOUND GOOD? ALL RIGHT, THEN WE WILL TURN IT OVER TO YOU, MS. SIMMONS, FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
THROUGH MY ALMOST TWO YEARS SERVING ON THE SHAC, I LEARNED THAT THIS DISTRICT HAD RECEIVED PARENT COMPLAINTS REGARDING THE DISTRICT'S HUMAN SEXUALITY INSTRUCTION IN 1992, 2000, 2006, AND AGAIN IN THAT YEAR 2012.
THIS GRIEVANCE WAS FILED AFTER THE BOARD VOTED IN AUGUST TO APPROVE THE SHAC RECOMMENDATIONS.
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MY INTEREST IS TO ASSIST THE DISTRICT TOWARDS FURTHER COMPLIANCE AND TRANSPARENCY, PARTICULARLY RELATED TO PROCLAMATION 2022 AND CHANGES TO TEXAS EDUCATION CODE 28.004.MADE IN THE 87TH LEGISLATIVE SESSION.
SINCE THE FILING, THE SHAC WEBSITE HAS BEEN UPDATED WITH A SHAC REPORT THAT INCLUDES EXCELLENT INFORMATION FOR PUBLIC REVIEW, PROVIDING TRANSPARENCY ON STATISTICS AND CURRICULA. INTERESTINGLY, AS OF NOVEMBER 1ST, THE APPROVED MIDDLE SCHOOL RESOURCE.
GOODHEART WILCOX HAD NOT BEEN PURCHASED IN PROCLAMATION 2022.
AN AMENDMENT WAS MADE TO EACH GRADE, STARTING IN TEXAS ADMINISTRATIVE CODE CHAPTER 115, GRADE FOUR THROUGH HIGH SCHOOL, STATING THAT AN INTEGRAL PART OF HEALTH EDUCATION INVOLVES EDUCATORS BEING AWARE OF STATE LAWS RELEVANT TO HUMAN SEXUALITY INSTRUCTION, AND THEN REFERENCES SPECIFIC CONTENT IN TEXAS EDUCATION CODE, FAMILY CODE AND GOVERNMENT CODE.
UNFORTUNATELY, THE SHAC WASTED MUCH OF LAST SCHOOL YEAR EVALUATING PROGRAMS THAT VIOLATE LAW.
STAFF AT THE PUBLIC SHOWCASES WERE COMPLETELY UNAWARE OF THE LAW AND SHAC RESPONSIBILITIES, PRINTED COPIES OF THE GRADE SEVEN AND EIGHT EXPIRED TAGS PROVIDED AT SOME OF THE WORKSTATIONS WERE COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT TO THE REVIEW PROCESS.
PROCESS OF THE PROPOSED MATERIALS.
ATTENDEES REPORTED THAT THEY REVIEWED THE GENERAL HEALTH TEXT ON THE WORKSTATIONS PROVIDED, BUT WERE UNAWARE OF THE COMPANION TEXT, WHICH REQUIRED BACKING OUT OF THE GENERAL HEALTH BOOK AND OPENING A DIFFERENT BOOK BOOK.
IT WAS A DIFFERENT ICON THAT THEY HAD TO GO INTO.
THE SHOWCASES FAILED TO FULFILL THE INTENT.
THE RUBRICS CREATED AND USED BY THE SHAC DO NOT INCLUDE TEXAS LAW.
CHAPTER 115 TEACH FOR GRADES SEVEN AND EIGHT, BUT NOT FOR GRADE SIX.
SUBSECTION E ONE AND Q ONE REQUIRE BOARD OF TRUSTEES TO ADOPT A POLICY ESTABLISHING A PROCESS FOR THE ADOPTION OF CURRICULUM MATERIALS FOR HUMAN SEXUALITY INSTRUCTION, AND FOR INSTRUCTION RELATING TO CHILD ABUSE, FAMILY VIOLENCE, DATING VIOLENCE AND SEX TRAFFICKING, RESPECTIVELY.
THEREFORE, NUMBER TWO AND THREE REMEDIES REQUESTED ARE NOT ACTUALLY NEGOTIABLE.
IN FACT, IT IS RECOMMENDATION NUMBER FIVE OF THE COMMITTEE REPORT THAT THIS BOARD ADOPTED TEXAS EDUCATION CODE 28.004 SUBSECTION I AND Q FIVE REQUIRES OR I'M SORRY, REFERS TO THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES DECISION REGARDING WHETHER THE DISTRICT WILL PROVIDE HUMAN SEXUALITY INSTRUCTION AND WHETHER THE DISTRICT WILL PROVIDE INSTRUCTION RELATING TO THE PREVENTION OF CHILD ABUSE, FAMILY VIOLENCE, DATING VIOLENCE AND SEX TRAFFICKING, AND THEN FURTHER STATES IF INSTRUCTION WILL BE PROVIDED.
THESE SUBJECTS ARE NOT REQUIRED TO BE TAUGHT.
THE FIRST DECISION BY THE BOARD SHOULD HAVE BEEN WHETHER AND IF THESE SUBJECTS WILL BE TAUGHT.
THE SHAC IS REQUIRED TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE APPROPRIATE LEVELS AND METHODS OF INSTRUCTION.
SUBSECTION E THREE REQUIRES THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES TO ENSURE THAT THE CURRICULUM MATERIALS ARE SUITABLE FOR THE SUBJECT AND GRADE LEVEL FOR WHICH THE CURRICULUM MATERIALS ARE INTENDED. SUBSECTION H STATES BOARD OF TRUSTEES SHOULD.
DETERMINE THE SPECIFIC CONTENT OF THE DISTRICT'S INSTRUCTION IN HUMAN SEXUALITY.
ON JUNE 16 AND AGAIN ON AUGUST 18, THIS BOARD PASSED THE SHAC RECOMMENDATION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
THEY ARE SUBJECT TO OPEN MEETINGS, ACT, AND PUBLIC INFORMATION ACT.
HAVE SHARK MEMBERS BEEN TRAINED ON THESE LAWS? DID THEY CONSENT TO BE SUBJECT TO THESE LAWS? YOUR ACTIONS HAVE PUT THEM AT RISK FOR VIOLATING THESE LAWS.
SUBJECT SUBSECTION I STATES THAT WRITTEN NOTICE MUST BE PROVIDED BEFORE EACH SCHOOL YEAR, INCLUDING DETAILED DESCRIPTION OF THE CONTENT OF THE DISTRICT'S HUMAN SEXUALITY INSTRUCTION AND A GENERAL SCHEDULE ON WHICH THE INSTRUCTION WILL BE PROVIDED.
SCHOOL STARTED ON AUGUST 17TH.
STUDENT HANDBOOKS HAD ALREADY BEEN PUBLISHED STATING THE RESULTS OF YOUR VOTE.
PARENTS AND STUDENTS HAD ALREADY SIGNED PAPERWORK THAT THEY READ AND AGREED WITH THE HANDBOOKS.
YOUR FINAL VOTE WAS AUGUST 18TH.
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RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE C OF THAT COMMITTEE REPORT STATES IN THE SUMMER AND OR FALL OF 2022, A WORK GROUP OF MIDDLE SCHOOL TEACHERS SHOULD BE ESTABLISHED TO COMPLETE LESSON PLANS BASED ON THE TEXTBOOK.WHAT DID YOU APPROVE? DID YOU APPROVE LESSON PLANS? DID YOU APPROVE SPECIFIC CONTENT? IT SEEMS THAT YOU MERELY APPROVED INSTRUCTIONAL RESOURCES TO BE USED.
NUMBER ONE SEE FURTHER STATES SUPPLEMENTAL MATERIALS SHOULD BE USED.
WHAT SUPPLEMENTAL MATERIALS DID THIS BOARD APPROVE? THOSE ASK THE SHAC AND DISTRICT TO PRESENT SPECIFIC CONTENT LESSONS, LESSON PLANS, SCOPE AND SEQUENCE AND SUPPLEMENTAL MATERIALS, AND THEN VOTE. AND PLEASE DO NOT DO IT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
IMPLEMENT PROCESSES TO ASSURE COMPLIANCE TO LAW REGARDING THESE SENSITIVE SUBJECTS.
ESTABLISH EMPLOYEE AND SHAC MEMBER TRAINING ON APPLICABLE LAWS.
AMEND ROUND ROCK ISD SHAC BYLAWS TO REFLECT AUTHORITY, PURPOSE AND DUTIES REQUIRED BY LAW AND UPDATE ROUND ROCK ISD BOARD POLICY TO INCLUDE TRUSTEE ROLE AND RESPONSIBILITIES TO UPHOLD COMPLIANCE TO TEXAS EDUCATION CODE 28.004.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
THE ADMINISTRATION NOW MAY PROCEED WITH THEIR REPLY.
WOULD YOU LIKE A TWO MINUTE WARNING OR WE WOULD LIKE A TWO MINUTE WARNING.
THAT WOULD BE GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AND MISS SIMMONS, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND JUST TURNING.
WE GET A LITTLE FEEDBACK IF THERE'S TOO MANY OF THEM ON AT A TIME.
THANK YOU, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, I THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR LISTENING TO US TONIGHT.
I'VE GOT WITH ME MR. SMITH. HE IS THE EXPERT ON THE SUBJECT, SO I'M GOING TO LEAVE THE MAJORITY OF HIS OF THE PRESENTATION TO MR. SMITH, AND WE WILL BE ADDRESSING EACH OF THE POINTS RAISED BY MS..
SIMMONS TONIGHT. I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THIS DISTRICT IN THIS BOARD DID ADOPT THE SHAC THE SHAC RECOMMENDATIONS AT THEIR JULY BOARD MEETING, AND THEY REAFFIRMED THEM IN THE AUGUST MEETING.
SO THE SHAC RECOMMENDATIONS WERE WERE APPROVED IN JULY.
I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THE STUDENT HANDBOOK WAS PUBLISHED AND ALL OF THE REQUISITE NOTICES WERE DONE WELL BEFORE THE BEGINNING OF THE SCHOOL YEAR THEY WERE PUBLISHED.
I'VE CHECKED THIS OUT SPECIFICALLY.
I'M GOING TO LET MR. SMITH NOW TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE SHAC, THE WORKSHOPS THAT THEY HAD, THE SHOWCASE THAT THEY PRESENTED.
AND THEN WE WILL BE ADDRESSING EACH OF THE POINTS.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. MR. ALSO IS GOING TO TAKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF GIVE A BRIEF BACKGROUND AND THEN AS MS. HILL MENTIONED, KIND OF GO THROUGH EACH OF THE DIFFERENT DIFFERENT AREAS.
SO JUST AS A REMINDER, FOLLOWING THE PASSAGE OF A RESOLUTION FROM THE BOARD IN FEBRUARY OF 2022, THE SHAC BEGAN THE PROCESS THEN OF LOOKING AT THE NEW CURRICULA FOR A MIDDLE SCHOOL HEALTH, MIDDLE SCHOOL, HEALTH AND HUMAN SEXUALITY.
THE HUMAN DEVELOPMENT AND SEXUALITY SUBCOMMITTEE FACILITATED THAT WORK WITH THE ASSISTANCE OF OUR INSTRUCTIONAL MATERIALS DEPARTMENT, BECAUSE THEY HAVE MUCH MORE EXPERIENCE IN CURRICULUM, ADOPTIONS AND AND PROCESSES LIKE THAT.
THE COMMITTEE SURVEYED THE COMMUNITY AND TEACHERS.
THEY REVIEWED MULTIPLE DIFFERENT CURRICULA.
THIS WAS A PARENT COMMITTEE, OF COURSE, ON THE SHAC.
AND AS WE KNOW, THERE'S THERE'S MANY DIFFERENT VIEWPOINTS ON THIS TOPIC.
SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE BEING INCLUSIVE.
AND AS WE WORK THROUGH THAT PROCESS, THAT GROUP HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT A VARIETY OF RESOURCES.
THE COMMITTEE. WE HELD TRANSPARENCY AS A KEY PRINCIPLE IN THE WORK, AND THEY ROUTINELY POSTED UPDATES, LINKS TO THE VARIOUS OPTIONS UNDER REVIEW AND A RUBRIC THAT IT WAS IT DID DECIDE TO USE TO NARROW THAT RECOMMENDATION IF NECESSARY.
WE ALLOWED VIRTUAL REVIEW AND FEEDBACK.
AND THAT FINAL RECOMMENDATION.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE THE POINT TOO, AND I'LL MENTION THIS SEVERAL TIMES IN THE NEXT FEW MINUTES THAT THAT RESOURCE AT THE SHAC DID RECOMMEND WAS THE ONLY RESOURCE THAT WAS ALSO APPROVED BY THE STATE BOARD OF EDUCATION, TEXAS HEALTH SCHOOLS FOR MIDDLE SCHOOL.
SO THAT'S THE I SAID THE ONE RESOURCE THAT THE STATE BOARD OF ED APPROVED AND THAT'S THE RESOURCE THAT THE COMMITTEE RECOMMENDED AS WELL BASED ON FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMITTEE AND THE COMMUNITY, THE SHAC MADE THAT RECOMMENDATION AND THEY ALSO MADE THE RECOMMENDATION TO ADOPT JUST CERTAIN CHAPTERS OF TEXAS HEALTH SKILLS FOR MIDDLE SCHOOL.
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AND LIKE WE'VE MENTIONED, THE BOARD ADOPTED THAT RESOURCE AND PASSED THAT AND THEN REAFFIRMED IT AGAIN IN THE AUGUST MEETING.THE SHAC ALSO RECOMMENDED DURING THAT PRESENTATION WE GAVE AT THE AUGUST MEETING THAT A TEAM OF TEACHERS WOULD TAKE THOSE APPROVED CHAPTERS AND ESSENTIALLY CREATE USING THE RESOURCE THAT WAS APPROVED AND CREATE THE LESSONS IN SCOPE AND SEQUENCE TO DETERMINE THE APPROPRIATE NUMBER OF HOURS OF INSTRUCTION.
THE SHAC RECOMMENDED THAT THAT GROUP WOULD BE DIRECTED TO REPORT BACK TO THE SHAC THROUGHOUT THAT PROCESS BEFORE A FINAL DECISION WAS MADE REGARDING AS FAR AS HOW MANY CLASS PERIODS MIGHT BE UTILIZED FOR THIS INSTRUCTION AND HOW MUCH TIME THAT WOULD TAKE.
THAT WORK IS HAPPENING AS WE SPEAK.
WE HAVE A TEAM IN THE DISTRICT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE WORKING WITH THE RESOURCE.
THEY'RE CREATING THE LESSONS THAT THEN THEM AND OTHER TEACHERS WILL USE LATER ON IN THE SPRING.
THIS CURRICULUM IS NOT TAUGHT UNTIL THE VERY END OF THE SCHOOL YEAR, SO IT'LL BE SOMETIME IN MAY.
BUT WHEN I SAY THAT CURRICULUM, THAT WORK IS HAPPENING AT THE MOMENT, WE VISIT IN WITH THE CHECK IN WITH THE SHAC WHEN WE MEET AND THEN THEY WILL BE REVIEWING THAT, THAT ALONG THE WAY AS WELL. JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE COMMUNITY SHOWCASES THAT WERE HELD AT OLD HOPEWELL HERE AT IN CENTRAL OFFICE AREA.
THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT QUAVER, HEAD, HEALTH FOR ELEMENTARY.
IT'S CALLED ALWAYS CHANGING, ALWAYS GROWING UP.
AND THAT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION BY THE SHAC, AND THAT'S WHAT WE ARE CONTINUING TO USE.
WHEN IT WAS ON THE ON IT WAS A VIRTUAL CURRICULUM ELECTRONIC THAT THEY COULD ACCESS AS FAR AS PRINTED COPIES OF THE NOW THERE'S NO LAW OR REGULATION THAT REQUIRED THAT WE HAD THE PROVIDED THE WEEKS WE DID THAT OUT OF A WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA.
UNFORTUNATELY, IT SOUNDS LIKE MAYBE THERE WAS SOME COMBINATION OF TWEAKS.
THERE WAS A CONCERN THAT THERE WAS NO HIGH SCHOOL MATERIAL AVAILABLE.
THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WERE DOING AS SCOPE OF THIS PROJECT.
WE WERE LOOKING AT MIDDLE SCHOOL SEX ED CURRICULUM FOR AN ADOPTION WITH THAT.
AND THEN AS FAR AS THE STAFF ON HAND, LIKE AGAIN MENTIONING THAT THE STAFF ON HAND WASN'T NECESSARILY ASTUTE IN THE STATUTE, THEY WERE THERE TO HELP COMMUNITY MEMBERS ACCESS THE CURRICULUM. AS FAR AS THE RUBRIC ITSELF, THERE'S NO LAW OR REGULATION THAT REQUIRES THE SHAC TO USE A RUBRIC FOR THE SAKE OF INCREASED TRANSPARENCY.
THE COMMITTEE DECIDED TO USE ONE IN CASE MULTIPLE RESOURCES WERE DETERMINED TO BE FINALISTS.
THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS, IT WAS CLEAR THAT THE STATE BOARD OF ED APPROVED RESOURCE IS GOING TO BE THE LONE FINALIST, AND THE COMMITTEE DETERMINED THAT IT MET THE NEEDS FOR GRADE SIX OR EIGHT. AS IT WAS A RESULT, THE COMMITTEE STILL UTILIZED THE RUBRIC, BUT THAT WAS THE FINAL.
THEY KNEW THAT WAS GOING TO BE THE FINAL DETERMINATION FOR THE RECOMMENDATION.
AS FAR AS THE NUMBER OF HOURS, I MENTIONED THAT IN THIS PRESENTATION, THE BOARD IN AUGUST, THE SHAC RECOMMENDED THAT THE TEAM OF TEACHERS WOULD WORK WITH THAT TO DEVELOP THE SCOPE AND SEQUENCE AND THE CURRICULUM.
LIKE I SAID, THAT WORK IS TAKING PLACE RECOMMENDED RECOMMENDING GRADE LEVELS.
THE RECOMMENDED GRADE LEVELS THAT WE WERE WORKING WITH WAS GRADE SIX THROUGH EIGHT.
AS FAR AS LOOKING AT WHETHER THIS CURRICULUM COVERS 100% OF THE TASKS THAT WAS DONE, IF YOU SEE ON PAGE 251 AND YOUR PACKET JUST SHOWS THAT THIS WAS THE RESOURCES STATE BOARD OF ED APPROVED AS COVERING THE CURRICULUM AND APPROVED BY THE STATE, CONFIRMING THAT IT REQUIRED THAT IT.
WE ADOPTED THE SOCIAL RESOURCES, AS I'VE MENTIONED A COUPLE OF TIMES AT THE TEXAS STATE BOARD OF ED, ALSO ADOPTED AS FAR AS THERE ARE SEVERAL SEVERAL CONCERNS ABOUT THE CENTRALITY OF ABSTINENCE WITH THIS RESOURCE.
THERE WAS A QUESTION AS WELL ABOUT TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE 2273, YOU KNOW, ABOUT DIFFERENT PROVIDERS THAT WE WOULD AS A AS A PUBLIC CORPORATION OR A PUBLIC ORGANIZATION ALLOWED TO DO BUSINESS WITH.
LIKE I SAID, THE SHAC DID LOOK AT SEVERAL DIFFERENT RESOURCES.
IT WAS A DIVERSE VIEWPOINT OF PARENTS WHO WERE ON THAT COMMITTEE AND TO GET TO A POINT OF A MUTUAL AGREEMENT AT ONE AT THE END, WE DID KNOW THAT WE HAD TO LOOK AT MANY DIFFERENT RESOURCES. THE RESOURCE THAT DID END UP MOVING FORWARD IS NOT IN VIOLATION OF TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE 2273.
AS I SAID, IT WAS APPROVED ALSO BY THE STATE BOARD OF EDUCATION.
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I'M SORRY. YOU COMING OUT? THAT'S OKAY. THE DOCUMENTATION RELATED TO THE SUBJECT OF CHILD ABUSE, DATING, VIOLENCE, FAMILY VIOLENCE AND SEX TRAFFICKING.ADOPTING RESOURCES FOR THESE TOPICS WAS AGAIN OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF THE WORK FOR THIS COMMITTEE.
AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY STUDENTS RIGHT NOW TAKING HEALTH IN HIGH SCHOOL.
SO THE SHAC IS CURRENTLY DETERMINED.
IF THE SHAC DOES DECIDE THAT, YES, THESE ARE TOPICS THAT SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN HEALTH, THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO THE BOARD AND WE'LL KIND OF GO THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS THAT WE DID LAST YEAR. YOU'LL NEED TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION AND THEN WE'LL GO FORWARD WITH A SIMILAR TYPE OF ADOPTION PROCESS.
IF THAT IF THE SHAC DECIDES THAT THAT RECOMMENDATION SHOULD COME FORWARD.
THIS CORRESPONDS WITH PAGE EIGHT THROUGH TEN OF THE ROUND ROCK STUDENT CODE, A STUDENT HANDBOOK, AND YOU'LL SEE THAT WE PUT THIS NOTICE RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE HANDBOOK UNDER SECTION ONE PARENTAL RIGHTS.
I MISSPOKE. I MEANT THE JUNE BOARD MEETING, AND THEN IT WAS BROUGHT BACK IN AUGUST IN ORDER TO GIVE THE COMMITTEE A FULL TIME TO.
TO TO EDUCATE YOU AND TALK ABOUT THEIR THEIR FINDINGS.
SO THAT'S YOU HAD ALREADY ADOPTED IT AT THAT TIME.
IT WAS ADOPTED DURING THE JUNE BOARD MEETING TIME.
ALL RIGHT. THIS COMPLETES THE PRESENTATION FROM THE GRIEVANT AND THE ADMINISTRATION.
I WILL NOW ASK TRUSTEES IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR EITHER THE GRIEVANT OR ADMINISTRATION.
PLEASE LEAVE. USE YOUR BUTTONS AND I WILL CALL ON YOU.
TRUSTEE. WE'RE. I JUST FIRST, YOU KNOW, THIS CAME STRAIGHT TO LEVEL THREE, BUT I'M WONDERING, WAS THERE ANY CONVERSATION PRIOR TO THIS ABOUT YOUR CONCERNS WITH THE ADMINISTRATION? THERE WERE COMMUNICATIONS IN EMAIL BACK WHEN WE FOUND I FOUND THAT THE SHAC WAS EVALUATING CURRICULA THAT VIOLATED LAW.
THIS WAS A REQUEST FOR ALL DOCUMENTATION THAT SHOWED COMPLIANCE.
BUT THERE WAS NEVER A MEETING LIKE PRIOR, LIKE WE WOULD NORMALLY HAVE A LEVEL ONE OR TWO.
I WAS LOOKING FORWARD TO LEVEL ONE AND LEVEL TWO.
I THOUGHT WE COULD WORK OUT A LOT OF THESE DETAILS BEFORE WE GOT HERE.
SO THE FORM SAYS LEVEL ONE IN OUR PACKET AND IT'S COME STRAIGHT TO A LEVEL THREE.
CAN YOU ADDRESS THAT, MS. HILL. MY UNDERSTANDING IS YES, THERE HAD BEEN EMAILS BEFORE THAT WERE UNABLE TO RESOLVE MATTERS.
THE REQUEST IN THE REQUEST THAT IS IN THE LEVEL IS I'M SORRY, PLEASE EXCUSE ME.
THE REQUESTED RELIEF IS ONLY RELIEF THAT CAN BE GRANTED BY THE BOARD.
THAT'S WHY IT WAS BROUGHT TO LEVEL THREE.
IT WAS THAT NORMALLY THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT YES, WE WOULD WELCOME AT A LEVEL ONE AND TWO.
BUT THE REQUESTED RELIEF IN THE GRIEVANCE IS ONLY SOMETHING THAT CAN BE ADOPTED BY THE BOARD.
SO I'M GOING THROUGH THIS 28.004 AND THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS AND.
WE GO TO TACITUS? BY TRAINING, I'VE ACTUALLY SET IN ON SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS LAST YEAR ABOUT THIS AND WE WERE WARNED THAT, YOU KNOW, WE NEEDED TO BE VERY CAREFUL.
THERE WAS GOING TO BE A LOT OF REQUIREMENTS.
SO I'M JUST HEARING BOTH SIDES.
AND DOES THE ADMINISTRATION HAVE THE LAWS LAID OUT AND THEN MATERIAL THAT MEETS THOSE CRITERIA CHECKED OFF? I MEAN, HOW CAN YOU.
I DON'T I CAN'T DO THAT WITH JUST WORDS.
AND WE MET I MEAN, THERE'S LITERALLY PAGES AND PAGES.
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SO DO YOU GUYS HAVE THAT SO THAT WE CAN, WE CAN BE ENSURED THAT WE'VE MET EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS ARE.SO WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE LIKE A CROSSWALK CHECKLIST, YOU KNOW, THAT GOES GOES THROUGH EACH ONE.
I'D SAY THAT WE REVIEWED THAT.
WE REVIEWED THAT WITH THE RESOURCE THAT WAS BEING BROUGHT FORWARD AS A FINAL.
IT WAS ALSO, AS I MENTIONED, THE LOAN RESOURCE THAT WAS ALSO APPROVED BY THE STATE BOARD OF ED.
SO I THINK THEY'D BEEN THROUGH A REVIEW PROCESS WITH THAT AS WELL.
AND I APPRECIATE THAT THE CURRICULUM WAS APPROVED BY THE STATE BOARD OF EDUCATION, AND I'VE ACTUALLY HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE STATE BOARD OF EDUCATION, AND THEY'RE LIKE, YEAH, IT'S APPROVED, BUT YOU GUYS HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING FOR IS HOW CAN WE ENSURE OUR WORK IS DONE? I MEAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE I CAN'T.
I DON'T RECALL THAT BEING IN ANY OF THE MATERIAL, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT'S UNDER 28.004.
WHICH IS HEALTH, HEALTH, EDUCATION IN GENERAL.
KINDER THROUGH EIGHTH GRADE WAS AGAIN OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF WHAT THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT OR.
WHAT WE WERE DOING HERE WAS WAS WAS LIMITED TOWARDS MIDDLE SCHOOL SEX AND ADOPTION.
AND IT WAS IT WAS DIFFICULT, I THINK, FOR THE GROUP TO COME UP WITH A STRICT NUMBER OF HOURS WHEN, AS YOU MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A RESOURCE, BUT NOW WE NEED TO IMPLEMENT IT. RIGHT. AND IF THEY KNEW THAT THEY HAD A CERTAIN NUMBER OF CHAPTERS THAT THEY FELT COMFORTABLE ADOPTING, THEY DIDN'T THEY DIDN'T WANT US TO ADOPT THE ENTIRE RESOURCE OR ALL THE DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES AND THINGS WITHIN IT.
SO THEY LIMITED THE SCOPE AND WANTED, AS I MENTIONED, WANTED THE TEAM OF TEACHERS THAT IS WORKING TO THEN CREATE THOSE LESSONS TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE SHAC THROUGHOUT THAT PROCESS TO DETERMINE THOSE NUMBER OF HOURS.
SO. I GUESS TO BOIL THAT DOWN, WHAT I JUST HEARD IS THAT THE SHAC DID NOT RECOMMEND OURS.
AS THEY'RE REQUIRED TO BY LAW.
IS THAT I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT I JUST HEARD YOU SAY.
I MEAN, IT'S OKAY. THE REASONING IS FINE.
BUT I JUST THE SHAC DIDN'T DIDN'T LABEL A NUMBER OF HOURS.
THE SHAC MADE THE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE GROUP OF TEACHERS THAT WAS CREATING THE CONTENT WOULD VISIT WITH WOULD BRING THAT BACK TO THE SHAC, AND THEN THEY WOULD DETERMINE IF THAT WAS AN APPROPRIATE NUMBER OF HOURS.
AND WE THINK THAT MEETS THE 28.004.
BROWN IN FURTHER RESPONSE AND FURTHER RESPONSE TO THAT, I WOULD SAY ONCE AGAIN, WE ARE NOT.
YOU HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT K THROUGH EIGHT.
AND MAYBE MY FOLLOW UP QUESTION WOULD BE FOR MS..
TO PROVIDE THIS KINDERGARTEN THROUGH EIGHTH GRADE.
AND I BELIEVE HEALTH EDUCATION IN THIS STANCE IS ACTUALLY JUST HEALTH EDUCATION AND NOT SEX HEALTH.
I'M NOT ABLE TO TURN TO THE EXACT PAGE OF WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ON PAGE ONE OF.
IT'S ON THE VERY FIRST PAGE. YEAH, BUT I DO WANT TO BRING UP THAT THE SHOCK RECOMMENDATION PRESENTATION THAT WAS GIVEN AT THE AUGUST MEETING DOES HAVE A RESOLUTION, DOES HAVE A RECOMMENDATION THAT SAYS THAT THE ALWAYS CHANGING AND GROWING UP SHOULD BE TAUGHT FOURTH AND FIFTH.
I MEAN, IT'S JUST A VIDEO IS ACTUALLY I GUESS THAT'S A FOLLOW UP QUESTION TO FOR MR. SMITH IS THAT IT SAYS IT'S A VIDEO.
IT'S NOT. I MEAN, I WOULDN'T CHARACTERIZE IT AS A LESSON.
I MEAN, IT'S IT'S THE SAME IT IS A VIDEO.
I BELIEVE IT'S THROUGH PROCTER GAMBLE.
IT'S LIKE ABOUT MATURATION, LIKE DEODORANT AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
IT'S BEEN USED IN FOURTH AND FIFTH GRADE CLASSES HERE IN ROUND ROCK FOR FOR MULTIPLE YEARS.
WOULD THERE BE SOMETHING BEYOND THAT FOR SEX, HEALTH, EDUCATION? BECAUSE I MEAN, THIS WAS THIS IS AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IN ELEMENTARY, BECAUSE WHEN MY KIDS WENT THROUGH FOURTH AND FIFTH, WE WOULD GET ALL WE HAD TO SIGN FOR THEM TO EVEN DO THIS.
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YEAH. SO I WOULD I MEAN, THIS WAS KIND OF CONSIDERED THE.YEAH. THERE'S NOT CURRENTLY ANYTHING ADDITIONAL FROM THAT.
BUT THE SHAC WASN'T RECOMMENDING THAT WE DO ANYTHING DO ANYTHING DIFFERENTLY IN ELEMENTARY.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF STATUTES IN HERE.
AND I'M TRYING TO SEE IF I CAN FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE WHAT THE FRICTION IS HERE.
I AM DISAPPOINTED THAT THIS WAS NOT ADDRESSED OUTSIDE OF THIS FORUM.
I AM NOT SATISFIED WITH THE EXPLANATION THAT I'VE BEEN GIVEN.
SO IF WE COULD CLARIFY WHY WE'RE EVEN HERE IS WHERE I'D LIKE TO START.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS SAID EARLIER ABOUT THE REMEDIES OR ONLY GRANTED BY THE BOARD.
BUT THIS IS NOT MY FIRST GRIEVANCE.
AND YET PREVIOUS GRIEVANCES HAVE STILL GONE THROUGH THE PROCESSES, AS I RECALL.
YEAH, I, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'VE GOT MORE HISTORY HERE THAN, THAN I.
I QUESTION WHY WHY THIS WAS HERE.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE REMEDIES THAT ARE REQUESTED, THERE IS NOTHING THAT MR. SMITH COULD HAVE DONE TO GET.
HE CANNOT HE CANNOT CHANGE ANY OF THE POLICIES WITHIN BY HIMSELF.
THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN DO THAT IS YOUR.
SIMMONS HAS HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH ADMINISTRATION AND SHE HAS SENT EMAILS, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, AND WE WERE UNABLE TO RESOLVE THAT WITH ANY WITH ANYTHING LOWER.
SO I'M SORRY THAT MY EXPLANATION IS IS NOT RESONATING WITH YOU, BUT I REALLY DON'T.
I WOULD HAVE LOVED IF WE COULD WORK THINGS OUT.
HOWEVER, THE THINGS THAT SHE IS ASKING, WHICH IS BASICALLY THAT THE DISTRICT NOT PROVIDE ANY SORT OF SEX EDUCATION, IS NOT SOMETHING THAT THE ADMINISTRATION CAN IS NOT A REMEDY THAT COULD BE GRANTED.
AND THAT'S THE OVERALL REMEDY.
THERE ARE SEVERAL HERE, BUT THAT IS WHAT BASICALLY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SIMMONS JUST DOES NOT WANT ROUND ROCK TO TEACH ANY HUMAN SEXUALITY LESSONS.
I JUST WANT TO ADD THAT THE COMMITTEE CONTAINS SOME OF OUR STAFF MEMBERS, BUT ALSO CONTAINS MEMBERS WHO ARE ACTUALLY SELECTED BY THIS BODY, LIKE OUR BOARD MEMBERS SELECTED SEVERAL, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL OF OUR PARENTS WHO ARE SERVING ON THE TRACK.
SO OBVIOUSLY, WE WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH THEM OR RESPECT THEIR OPINION AND INPUT.
BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT SHAC DOES NOT REPRESENT THIS ADMINISTRATION.
THE SHAC REPRESENTS THEIR ENTIRE BODY.
AND SO WE OBVIOUSLY WORK WITH THEM AND ALSO TRY TO HONOR THEIR RECOMMENDATION.
SO THAT'S WHAT MR. SMITH TRIED TO DO HERE.
WESTON? YEAH, PLEASE DO, MA'AM.
SO WHEN I FILED IT, OBVIOUSLY I WAS UNDER A TIME FRAME, RIGHT? THERE'S A TEN DAY, WHATEVER IT IS, TIME FRAME TO FILE A GRIEVANCE.
SO I DID THAT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE CODE.
I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE CURRICULA THAT'S BEING RECOMMENDED.
I WAS LOOKING FORWARD TO IT AND IT DIDN'T SEEM LIKE IT WAS A HEARING.
BONE WAS REFERRING TO TO CHECK OFF ALL OF THE DIFFERENT COMPLIANCE THINGS.
I ACTUALLY CAME HOME FROM THE SHOWCASE AND I MADE.
I SERVED ALMOST TWO YEARS ON THE SHAC.
I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH HOW THINGS WORK.
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I MADE THIS FOR YOU GUYS.YOU DON'T HAVE TO USE IT. YOU CAN USE A DIFFERENT FORM.
BUT IT WAS A SUGGESTION TO SAY, IF WE CAN CHECK EACH OF THESE BOXES, THEN WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE DONE THE DUE DILIGENCE NECESSARY TO SAY THAT THIS IS THIS IS WHAT THIS IS. THIS IS A VALID PROCESS.
THAT APPOINTMENT WAS CANCELED AND I WAS INFORMED THAT WE WOULD BE GOING TO LEVEL THREE.
AND I APOLOGIZE THAT THE INTENTION OR THE UNDERSTANDING IS THAT I DON'T WANT IT TAUGHT.
I WANT IT TAUGHT WITH TRANSPARENCY AND COMPLIANCE.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO FOLLOW THE LAW AND THE PROCESS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME.
I APPRECIATE THAT EXPLANATION.
TO MY POINT ABOUT THIS COMING TO THE BOARD.
I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF STATUTES HERE.
THERE'S A LOT TO UNDERSTAND, UNPACK.
THERE'S A LOT OF MINUTIA IN MY OPINION.
I'VE HAD GRIEVANCES COME BEFORE US ASKING TO FIRE THIS EMPLOYEE.
WELL, THIS BOARD ISN'T FIRING ANY EMPLOYEE EXCEPT ONE, YOU KNOW, IF IT CHOSE TO.
SO AND AND THOSE HAVE GONE THROUGH LOWER LEVELS.
SO I'M PERSONALLY DISAPPOINTED TO FIND OURSELVES IN A SITUATION WHERE I GUESS WE'RE GOING TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME COMBING THROUGH, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF DETAIL THAT I THINK MIGHT HAVE BEEN MORE EFFECTIVE.
I'M SORRY. DID YOU WANT TO SAY.
OH, OKAY. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW EFFECTIVE THIS IS GOING TO BE, BUT IF THIS IS THE ROAD.
SIMMONS, ON PAGE ONE, ON NUMBER THREE, TOWARDS THE BOTTOM, IT'S YOUR COMPLAINT, SAYS SHAC 2021 2022 RECOMMENDATION FAILED TO.
AND THEN YOU LIST LETTERS A THROUGH I'S THAT CORRECT.
THAT THESE FAILURES CONSTITUTE VIOLATION OF STATE LAW.
AND MANY OF THESE REFERENCE WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT IN THE TEXAS ADMINISTRATIVE CODE, THERE WAS AN AMENDMENT MADE TO GRADES FOUR THROUGH HIGH SCHOOL TO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT PART OF THE IMPORTANCE OF HEALTH EDUCATION WAS INSTRUCTORS UNDERSTANDING THE LAW.
AND SO I JUST WENT THROUGH THAT AMENDMENT AND QUOTED THE APPLICABLE STATUTE.
ARE YOU AN ATTORNEY, MISS SIMMONS? NO, I'M NOT. HOW DO YOU HOW ARE YOU? I MEAN, IF YOU COULD JUST HELP ME UNDERSTAND, CAN YOU GIVE ME SOME BACKGROUND ON HOW YOU ARE EVEN IN A POSITION TO IDENTIFY THESE THINGS AND BRING THEM TO US WITH ANY CERTAINTY? LIKE I SAID, I SERVED ON THE SHAC HERE IN ROUND ROCK ISD.
I LEARNED A GREAT DEAL ABOUT THE SHAC AND WHAT HAPPENS IN DISTRICTS.
I ALSO RECEIVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS FROM OTHER PARENTS BECAUSE OF THAT EXPERIENCE, AND I DO TALK TO LEGISLATORS AND PEOPLE DOWNTOWN ABOUT THE PROBLEMS THAT WE SEE ACROSS THE STATE.
AND SO HERE WE ARE AFTER THE ADOPTION OF THE PROCLAMATION 2022 ATX AND THEN THE INSTRUCTIONAL MATERIALS LAST YEAR, I WATCHED IT CLOSELY AND AND I CARE VERY DEEPLY ABOUT THIS DISTRICT AND HELPING YOU ALL.
I'M A RESOURCE TO YOU TO HELP YOU STAY IN COMPLIANCE.
THERE'S NO REASON THAT YOU CAN'T BECAUSE IN A LOT OF WAYS THE SHAC HERE WORKS WAY BETTER THAN OTHER DISTRICTS BECAUSE OF WHAT WE WENT THROUGH IN 2013 AND 2014. SO IT'S TEN YEARS OF EXPERIENCE, HONESTLY.
SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU ACTUALLY TRACK THIS LEGISLATION AND YOU KEEP AN EYE ON IT AND YOU ENGAGE DOWNTOWN? IS THAT DO I UNDERSTAND THAT? I DO. SO WOULD YOU SAY THAT YOU HAVE AN ABOVE AVERAGE UNDERSTANDING OF THE STATUTES? I GUESS. OKAY.
SO IF THERE ARE NINE CITATIONS HERE, I GUESS, FOR THE ADMINISTRATION, WHERE ARE THEIR REFUTATIONS OF THESE? I THINK, AS I MENTIONED, WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE A CROSSWALK OF OF THIS TO THAT WITHIN THE WITHIN THE BOOK, I BELIEVE WE'RE SPEAKING TO THE SECTION WITHIN THE EDUCATION CODE RELATED TO.
WELL, I'M LOOKING AT EE1 THROUGH E FIVE.
CORRECT. WELL, I WAS JUST LOOKING AT PAGE ONE AT THE BOTTOM.
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NUMBER THREE.DO YOU SEE THAT ON THE BEGINNING OF HER COMPLAINT? YEAH. IT SAYS SHAC 20 2122 RECOMMENDATION FAILED TO.
AND THEN IT HAS LETTERS A THROUGH I.
SO I AM NOT AS WELL VERSED IN THE STATUTE AND THE LEGISLATION IS MS..
SIMMONS. I AM NOT AS WELL VERSED IN THE OPERATIONS OF THE SHAC AS YOU ARE.
SO I WOULD SAY ESSENTIALLY WITHIN WITHIN THESE CLAIMS HERE, I THINK THERE'S SOME OF THIS IS IS PERHAPS DOCUMENTATION OF EACH OF THE STEPS WAS NOT NECESSARILY MAYBE AS POSTED OR AVAILABLE AS IT COULD HAVE BEEN.
BUT AS FAR AS LIKE RECOMMENDING APPROPRIATE GRADE LEVELS, METHODS OF INSTRUCTION, I THINK WE WERE PRETTY TRANSPARENT OF WHICH GRADE LEVELS OF WHICH RESOURCE THAT WE WERE GOING TO ADOPT WITHIN THE REPORT ITSELF.
AS FAR AS THE NUMBER OF HOURS I MENTIONED THAT THAT WAS A PIECE THAT THE SHAC REALLY FELT IT UNTIL OUR TEAM OF TEACHERS, IF YOU'RE SPEAKING OF THE IMPLEMENTATION PIECE, YOU HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT, LOOK AT THE RESOURCE AND TALK ABOUT HOW THEY WERE GOING TO TAKE THAT AND THEN DELIVER IT INSTRUCTION WISE TO STUDENTS THAT THEY'D BE IN A BETTER POSITION TO WORK WITH THAT GROUP.
BEFORE THAT FINAL DECISION WAS MADE.
THE SHAC STILL WANTED TO KEEP THAT ROLE, BUT THEY JUST FELT THAT AT THE POINT WHERE THEY WERE MAKING THAT RECOMMENDATION, THEY WERE RECOMMENDING THAT THE SHAC WOULD WORK WITH THAT GROUP OF TEACHERS TO COME UP WITH THAT FINAL RECOMMENDATION BEFORE THE INSTRUCTION IS DELIVERED.
AND THEN ALSO IT'S NUMBER FOUR AND NUMBER FIVE.
THERE ARE I MEAN, I COULD READ THEM OUT LOUD, BUT THERE ARE ACCUSATIONS HERE.
SO WHERE CAN I FIND WHERE THE ADMINISTRATION IS REFUTING LIKE, SAY, NUMBER FIVE, ANY DECISION MADE AFTER AUGUST 17TH, 2022 DOES NOT MEET THE REQUIREMENT TO PROVIDE BEFORE EACH SCHOOL YEAR TO PARENTS.
ONE NOTICE OF INTENT TO INSTRUCT TO DETAILED DESCRIPTION OF ADOPTED CURRICULUM CONTENT.
THREE STATEMENT OF PARENTS RIGHTS FOR ACCESS TO THE ADOPTED CURRICULUM.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, NUMBER FIVE WHERE IS IT? ADMINISTRATION PROVIDED ME WHERE THIS IS A FALSE ACCUSATION AND THAT ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS HAVE BEEN APPROPRIATELY MET.
WHERE CAN I FIND THAT? YOU CAN FIND THAT IN YOUR PACKET ON PAGES 367 THROUGH 370.
THAT IS THE REQUIRED NOTICE THAT IS TO BE PROVIDED TO THE PARENTS.
THAT WAS PROVIDED TO THE PARENTS IN THE HANDBOOK OVER A WEEK BEFORE SCHOOL STARTED.
THIS IS THE STANDARD PROCEDURE FOR THE MAJORITY OF SCHOOL DISTRICTS IN THE STATE OF TEXAS.
AND THAT COMPLIES WITH ALL OF THE NOTICE REQUIREMENTS CONTAINED IN FIVE.
WITH REGARD TO THE MATTERS CONTAINED IN.
THREE, IF YOU WILL LOOK AT THE ACTUAL SHAC RECOMMENDATIONS WHICH ARE STARTING ON PAGE 215 OF YOUR PACKET, YOU WILL SEE THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE SHAC.
IF YOU LOOK AT THAT, YOU ON PAGE 215, YOU WILL SEE THE SHOCK RECOMMENDATIONS.
YOU WILL SEE THAT THEY ARE RECOMMENDING CURRICULUM ONLY FOR GRADE SIX THROUGH EIGHT.
YOU WILL ALSO SEE IN THE SHAC RECOMMENDATIONS WITH REGARDS TO ABSTINENCE.
AND THAT WAS ALSO PRESENTED TO YOU BOTH PRIOR.
THESE MATERIALS WERE GIVEN TO THE BOARD AND PRIOR TO THE JUNE BOARD MEETING.
IN ADDITION, THEY WERE PROVIDED TO YOU AND ONCE AGAIN PRIOR TO THE AUGUST BOARD MEETING, AND THEY WERE DISCUSSED BY THE SHAC WHEN THEY PRESENTED THEIR REPORT TO YOU DURING THE AUGUST MEETING THAT THAT.
THAT ABSTINENCE IS THE MAIN IS THE CENTRAL RECOMMENDATION.
AND THEN IS THERE A PAGE NUMBER FOR A NUMBER FOUR? WHILE YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THAT, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO REMIND THAT THE BOARD DID RECEIVE THE SHAC RECOMMENDATIONS AROUND JUNE THE SIXTH WHEN THE PACKET, THE FULL PACKET WENT TO THE BOARD WITH THEIR PRESENTATION BECAUSE OF UNFORESEEABLE EVENTS AND THE JUNE 16TH BOARD MEETING, IT WAS CUT SHORT UNEXPECTEDLY.
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WE REAFFIRMED THAT COMMITMENT IN THE AUGUST BOARD MEETING WHEN WE ACTUALLY RECEIVED THE PRESENTATION FROM THE SHAC.BUT WE RECEIVED A VERY EXTENSIVE COPY OF WHICH IS INCLUDED IN OUR PACKET IN JUNE.
SO THE BOARD HAD ALL OF THIS, THEY REVIEWED ALL OF THIS RECOMMENDATIONS AND THEN APPROVED THE RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE JUNE BOARD MEETING FOR THOSE THAT WERE HERE TO VOTE AT THAT MEETING.
AND TRUSTEE WESTON, IN RESPONSE TO YOUR QUESTION ABOUT NUMBER FOUR, I WOULD REMIND THE TRUSTEES WE ARE NOT TEACHING THIS AT A HIGH SCHOOL LEVEL AND WE ARE ACTUALLY NOT TEACHING THIS ANYTHING WITH REGARDS TO CHILD ABUSE, DATING, VIOLENCE, SEXUAL FAMILY VIOLENCE AND SEX TRAFFICKING.
IF THE COMMITTEE DECIDES THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO GO FORWARD WITH, THEN OF COURSE IT WILL GO THROUGH AND WE'LL BE BROUGHT BACK TO THE BOARD JUST TO REAFFIRM TO THE BOARD.
WE ARE ONLY WE'RE NOT TEACHING HUMAN SEXUALITY OR THESE TOPICS AT THE HIGH SCHOOL LEVEL.
WE ARE ONLY TEACHING THIS AT A VERY IN A VERY LIMITED MANNER IN THE SIXTH, SEVENTH AND EIGHTH.
THOSE ARE THE THOSE ARE THE LESSONS.
AND WE HAVE USED ALL OF THE STATE APPROVED LESSONS.
I KNOW OTHER DISTRICTS WITHIN THE STATE HAVE ADOPTED OTHER OTHER RESOURCES.
HOWEVER, THIS DISTRICT IS NOT.
I JUST WANT TO ADD THE TRACK ACTUALLY MADE THE RECOMMENDATION.
I THINK THEY ARE SUPER TALENTED AND AND CARING.
CAN I ACTUALLY FOLLOW UP REAL QUICK, DANIEL, ON ON SOMETHING ABOUT THE D, E, F, G, AND H ON THIS CENTRALITY OF ABSTINENCE, BECAUSE, I MEAN, YOU'VE BOTH KIND OF MENTIONED IT, AND I KNOW IT WAS MENTIONED IN THE PRESENTATION, BUT WAS THERE ANY DOCUMENTATION THAT WAS PRODUCED WHERE YOU WENT BACK AND MADE SURE THAT IT WAS CENTRALITY OF ABSTINENCE FOR EACH GRADE? YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE IT'S ONE RESOURCE, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT IS USED FOR EACH FOR A SIX THROUGH EIGHT.
I'M ASSUMING THAT THEY ALSO TOOK THAT VIEWPOINT THAT THIS RESOURCE DID IN FACT.
CENTRALIZED ABSTINENCE AS THE MAIN.
DO THEY KEEP MINUTES? I MEAN, WOULD IT BE IN THE MINUTES OF THE CHECK? YOU KNOW, THERE'S THERE'S MINUTES TO THE MAIN SHAC MEETINGS AND THERE'S SOME THERE'S MANY MINUTES IN YOUR IN YOUR PACKET THERE.
THEY MET AT LEAST ONCE A WEEK, YOU KNOW, FOR FOR ALMOST A YEAR.
SO I THINK THERE PROBABLY ARE MINUTES FOR JUST ABOUT EVERY SINGLE MEETING THAT THEY HAD.
SO. MORE THAN WELCOME TO READ THROUGH ALL THOSE.
YEAH I JUST NOTICED ON PAGE 251, THE STATE BOARD OF EDUCATION DIDN'T SAY I MEAN, IT DID SAY IT MET 100% OF THE TWEAKS WHICH I GUESS THAT IS A QUESTION FOR MISS SIMMONS BECAUSE.
TO ME THAT SEEMS TO CONFIRM THAT THE.
IF THE RECOMMENDED CURRICULUM DOES COVER 100%.
BUT THEY DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT CENTRALITY OF ABSTINENCE IN THE SHEET THAT YOU PROVIDED US.
IS THAT A QUESTION? I GUESS IT IS. BUT AND I APOLOGIZE, DANIEL, IF YOU COULD ELABORATE ON WHAT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT AND THEN I'LL GO BACK TO MY QUESTION.
AND UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S COMPLICATED.
AND I AND I'M CONCERNED THAT THE DISTRICT WOULD INTERPRET THAT BECAUSE AN INSTRUCTIONAL MATERIAL IS 100% COVERS 100% OF THE TEACHERS, THAT WHEN THEY JUST PICK THREE CHAPTERS OUT OF THE BOOK, THEN THEY'RE 100% WITH THE TIEGS.
CAN I MAKE A QUICK POINT TO THAT? SO THE 100% OF THE TAX, I THINK WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT WHEN WE DID WANT TO TAKE THE ADVICE OF THE SHAC, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WEREN'T GOING BEYOND THE SCOPE OF WHAT THE SHAC FELT AS REPRESENTATIVES OF OUR COMMUNITY WERE APPROPRIATE TO BE TEACHING IN SIXTH OR EIGHTH GRADE.
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REPRESENTATIVES, THEY WANTED TO LIMIT THE SCOPE IS WHAT WHAT WE WERE WHAT WE WERE LOOKING TO DO.HILL HAD GIVEN ME SOME PAGE NUMBERS.
WHEN I ASKED FOR A REFUTATION.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU MADE A NOTE OF THOSE, BUT SHE POINTED TO PAGE 367 AS REFUTATION FOR NUMBER FIVE.
WERE YOU ABLE TO MAKE A NOTE OF THAT? REGARDING THE HANDBOOK.
SO SO THE TIMING OF THAT IS QUESTIONABLE.
AFTER THE BOARD'S ADOPTION OF THE RESOLUTION, HOLD AT LEAST TWO PUBLIC MEETINGS, PROVIDE THE RECOMMENDATIONS ADOPTED TO THE BOARD AT A PUBLIC MEETING OF THE BOARD. SO I REALIZED THAT YOU GOT TO PACK IT PROBABLY IN JUNE.
IT WAS REQUIRED TO BE PROVIDED AFTER RECEIPT OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS TO TAKE ACTION ON THE ADOPTION OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS BY A RECORD VOTE IN A PUBLIC AT A PUBLIC MEETING. JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, WE DIDN'T FINALLY APPROVE IT IN OUR AUGUST MEETING.
WE APPROVED IT IN OUR JUNE 16TH BOARD MEETING.
THERE WAS A MOTION THAT WAS MADE.
I COULD TELL YOU HOW IT WAS VOTED.
WE'RE GOING OR WE'RE GOING TO VOTE AGAIN.
THAT VOTE STOOD HAD WE NOT VOTED AGAIN IN AUGUST, THAT VOTE WAS ALREADY MADE.
IT WAS MORE FOR SO THAT PEOPLE COULD SEE THE PRESENTATION AND A VOTE AND CONNECT THEM TOGETHER.
BUT WE HAD MADE THAT VOTE IN A PUBLIC MEETING JUNE 16TH AND IT WAS APPROVED.
SO JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THERE WAS NOT A SECOND VOTE THAT TOOK PRECEDENCE OVER A FIRST ONE, BECAUSE THAT FIRST VOTE WAS NEVER THERE WAS NEVER A MOTION MADE TO NEGATE THAT VOTE. SO THAT VOTE WAS THE OFFICIAL APPROVAL OF THE OF THE MATERIALS.
AND SO THAT'S THE KIND OF STUFF THAT I THINK, YOU KNOW, THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
THINGS CAN BE WORKED OUT, YOU KNOW, IN NOT SUCH A PUBLIC FORUM.
SO TO THAT END, IF YOU HAD AN APPOINTMENT WITH MS..
SIMMONS, WHY WAS IT CANCELED? AS SHE SAID. I THINK WE MIGHT BE BEST SERVED TO KIND OF MOVE ON FROM THAT, TO REALLY TALK ABOUT THE ISSUES AT HAND AND MAYBE OFFLINE, TALK ABOUT HOW WE COULD RESOLVE PERSONALITY CONFLICTS.
THAT MAY NOT BE THE BEST FORUM FOR THIS HERE IN A PUBLIC FORMAT.
I FEEL LIKE I'D LIKE A QUICK ANSWER TO MY QUESTION.
I DON'T I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY PERSONALITY CONFLICTS OR ANY.
SO THERE WAS A LEVEL ONE, LEVEL ONE GRIEVANCE FILED AT THAT POINT, WE SCHEDULED A LEVEL ONE HEARING.
SO WHAT WOULD THE RECOMMENDATION BE TO A COMMUNITY MEMBER TAXPAYER WHO HAS THESE CONCERNS BASED ON EXTENSIVE EXPERIENCE AND WOULD LIKE TO WORK WITH OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT AND PARTNER WITH US TO BEST SERVE OUR STUDENTS AND FOLLOW THE LAW? I MEAN, IS THIS IS REALLY FILING COMING BEFORE THE SCHOOL BOARD IN A PUBLIC SETTING? IS IS THAT THE ADVICE? NO, MA'AM. WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE PREFERABLE IS, RATHER THAN DOING THE FILING A FORMAL GRIEVANCE AND ASKING FOR THESE THINGS, THAT THERE HAD BEEN SOME INTERACTION DURING THE WHOLE SHOCK PROCESS WITH WITH MS..
SIMMONS. AND THOSE COULD HAVE BEEN RAISED AT SHOCK MEETINGS.
THEY COULD HAVE BEEN RAISED BY BY MEMBER WITH MEMBERS OF THE SHAC OR THEY COULD HAVE BEEN RAISED BY ADMINISTRATION BEFORE THE FIRST I BELIEVE THE FIRST INDICATION THAT ANYONE ADMINISTRATION KNEW ABOUT THIS WAS WAS AN EMAIL THAT CAME MOMENTS BEFORE A BOARD MEETING WAS SUPPOSED TO START IN AUGUST.
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SO I WOULD SAY THIS HAS BEEN A SEVERAL YEAR PROCESS AND THERE WAS PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITIES TO AT THAT TIME.AND I BELIEVE THAT THE EMAIL WAS SENT TO ALL, IF THE BOARD MEMBERS MAY REMEMBER THAT WAS THE FIRST CONTACT IS IS MY UNDERSTANDING AFTER, AFTER AFTER THAT, I BELIEVE THERE WAS SOME, YOU KNOW, A TIME LIMIT, I MEAN, A TIME AFTER THAT AND THEN THE TEN DAYS LATER.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE OPPORTUNITIES, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE PARENT FORUMS. THAT'S WHY WE HAD WE HAVE ADMINISTRATORS WHO WORK ON THIS.
I THINK WE'VE BEEN VERY TRANSPARENT AND AND AND HOW THIS IS HANDLED.
SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT IF A BOARD MEMBER HAD I MEAN, A COMMUNITY MEMBER HAD A CONCERN, THAT WOULD BE A BETTER AVENUE THAN FILING A GRIEVANCE ASKING FOR THE AFTER.
THE SHARK MEETING IS STREAMED LIVE OR.
YEAH, I THINK I WATCHED THEM LIVE AS THEY HAVE BEEN.
IS THAT RIGHT, MR. SMITH? OR DO I WATCH THEM AFTER THEY HAPPEN? THEY WERE. THEY'RE CURRENTLY BACK.
WE'RE DOING A HYBRID NOW SO FOLKS CAN COME IN PERSON.
BUT THERE'S NO WAY FOR THE PUBLIC TO KNOW.
I MEAN, I GUESS YOU COULD ASK QUESTIONS AFTERWARDS OR SOMETHING.
THERE'S NOT LIKE THE Q&A PORTION OF THE OF THE MEETING ITSELF OR PUBLIC COMMENT.
THAT'S NOT PART OF TYPICAL SHAC MEETING.
BUT ANYBODY CAN COME AND OBSERVE.
YOU CAN OBSERVE, BUT YOU CAN'T INTERACT, YOU CAN'T.
IT HAS BEEN MY EXPERIENCE THAT YOU WOULD CONCUR.
THERE'S NOT A FORMAL INTERACTION PROCESS RIGHT NOW.
MS.. SIMMONS, DID YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY? CAN YOU SHARE? SO YOU TRIED TO DID YOU GO AND DID YOU TRY TO ENGAGE? CAN YOU TELL ME ABOUT THAT? YEAH, I WENT TO I WENT TO THE SHOWCASE TWICE AND I WAS I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE INSTRUCTIONAL MATERIALS THAT WERE BEING PRESENTED.
I NOTICED THE OUTDATED TECHNIQUES THAT WERE PRINTED AND SITTING BESIDE THE WORKSTATIONS, I SHARED MY CONCERNS WITH THE PERSONNEL THERE.
THEY WERE UNFAMILIAR WITH THE LAW.
THEY WERE UNFAMILIAR WITH HOW TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
GOODHART WILCOX HAS THERE ARE TWO ICONS.
YOU HAVE TO GO INTO THE TEXTBOOK.
BUT THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT THE PEOPLE THAT WERE THERE WERE NOT EQUIPPED.
AND AND I TRIED TO BE GENEROUS.
I MEAN, MY KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE LAW AND ABOUT THE PROCESSES IS EXTENSIVE.
AND THEN I SAW A SHIFT IN THE.
BEHAVIOR OF THE SHAC AND WHAT THEY REVIEWED, WHAT THEY WERE REVIEWING.
SO THEN THEY DISCARDED REVIEWING THOSE.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.
I NEVER DID A PUBLIC INFORMATION REQUEST TO FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENED.
I DIDN'T INQUIRE, BUT MY NAME, MY EMAIL IS ALWAYS AVAILABLE.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M ALWAYS AVAILABLE.
AND THAT EMAIL EXCHANGE WAS PROBABLY LAST FEBRUARY IN THE SPRING.
SO AND AGAIN, YOU WERE TRYING TO TALK ABOUT CONCERNS THAT YOU HAD ABOUT VIOLATING LAW.
AND YOU SAID THERE WAS A CHANGE IN BEHAVIOR.
IS YOUR POINT THAT IT WAS FOR THE BETTER OR THE WORSE? YEAH, YEAH, DEFINITELY.
BECAUSE THAT WAS WHEN YOU STARTED TO SEE THE SHAC.
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INVOLVED SO THAT THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN.I'M ALWAYS CONCERNED ABOUT HOW DO WE HELP MAKE SURE THAT WE IMPLEMENT PROCESSES THAT THAT WOULD PREVENT THESE TYPES OF PROBLEMS OR THIS WASTE OF TIME THAT SPEAK TO THAT. SO I DO WANT TO JUST REITERATE WHAT I MENTIONED EARLIER ABOUT THE PERSONNEL THAT WAS ON HAND AT THE COMMUNITY FORUMS THAT WE DIDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE PERSONNEL WHO WERE WHO ARE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS IN THIS FIELD, BUT RATHER TECHNICAL SUPPORT.
AND AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THAT OBVIOUSLY WE CAN ALL SEE THAT THIS IS A THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT VIEWPOINTS ON WHAT KIND OF CURRICULUM SHOULD BE USED, WHAT TYPE OF APPROACH SHOULD BE TAKEN. AND ON OUR SHAC COMMITTEE ITSELF, I THINK I'VE MENTIONED IN THE IN THE MEETING WHEN WE GAVE THE PRESENTATION, THERE'S A LOT OF WIDE VIEWPOINTS, YOU KNOW, ON THAT COMMITTEE. AND I KNOW OUR GOAL FROM THE BEGINNING WAS TO GET TO A GET TO A POINT WHERE WE COULD COME UP WITH SOME KIND OF AGREEMENT THAT EVERYBODY WAS SOMEWHAT SATISFIED WITH.
AND THROUGHOUT THAT PROCESS, THEY DID LOOK AT A LOT OF CURRICULUM.
THEY LOOKED AT A LOT OF DIFFERENT RESOURCES FROM INSIDE TEXAS, OUTSIDE OF TEXAS, AS AS MS..
SIMMONS MENTIONED THROUGHOUT THAT PROCESS, SOME OF IT WAS REALIZED THAT THERE WERE SOME VENDORS THAT HAD CONNECTIONS TO CERTAIN COMPANIES AND ORGANIZATIONS THAT WOULD HAVE MADE IT ILLEGAL FOR US TO PURCHASE.
SO THE SHAC DIDN'T LOOK AT THOSE RESOURCES ANYMORE AT THAT POINT.
I THINK THEY FELT THAT THEY HAD ALL THE ALL THE RESOURCES THAT THEY THEY WANTED TO LOOK THROUGH.
WELL, THE STICKING POINT ABOUT WHAT THE STATE BOARD OF EDUCATION APPROVED IS THERE WHAT'S WHAT'S THE WHAT'S THE RUB HERE? WE'RE SAYING THAT THIS IS WHAT THE STATE BOARD OF EDUCATION APPROVED, BUT THEN THERE'S CONCERN ABOUT UNLAWFUL CURRICULA.
SO IF BOTH SIDES CAN HELP ME UNDERSTAND HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE, HOW DOES THE STATE BOARD OF EDUCATION APPROVE SOMETHING THAT WOULD SUPPOSE WHAT WHAT AM I MISSING? WELL, THE STATE BOARD OF ED ONLY APPROVED ONE RESOURCE, AND IT WAS THE GOOD HARD WILCOX RESOURCE.
SO BUT OTHER DISTRICTS, YOU DON'T HAVE TO ADOPT THAT RESOURCE.
YOU CAN ADOPT ANY RESOURCE YOU WANT.
SO THAT'S WHY THAT SOME RESOURCES THAT I DON'T KNOW WHAT EVERY OTHER DISTRICT USES, BUT THERE COULD BE A CLAIM THAT SOME OF THE FUNDING SOURCES FOR SOME OF THOSE MIGHT NOT BE LAWFUL OR NOT LAWFUL OR LAWFUL OR UNLAWFUL.
BUT THAT'S HOW I ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
WHAT IS THEN SOME OF THE PROGRAMS THAT YOU.
I DON'T REMEMBER THE NAMES OF THEM BUT.
SO IF YOU HAVE A RESOURCE THAT'S FUNDED BY AN ABORTION PROVIDER OR HAS A CONNECTION THROUGH A CONNECTION AT SOME POINT TO AN ABORTION PROVIDER, IT WOULD VIOLATE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE.
I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NUMBER, BUT IT GOVERNMENT CODE.
WELL, MISS SIMMONS, DID I MISUNDERSTAND? DID YOU ASSERT THAT THERE WAS SOME UNLAWFUL CURRICULUM SOMEWHERE IN THIS? IT WAS IN THE EVALUATION PROCESS LAST SPRING.
SO IF YOU GO THROUGH, THERE'S THERE'S A LOT OF NOTES HERE.
AND THERE WERE CURRICULA THAT WERE REVIEWED THAT WERE FROM ABORTION PROVIDERS.
OH, THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE CITING.
YES. AND THAT WAS WHEN AND WHEN I SAW THAT.
OKAY, PLEASE CONTINUE. MS.. SIMMONS YEAH, SO, SO THAT WAS WHEN I CONTACTED THE DISTRICT IN THE SPRING, AND I EXCHANGED SOME EMAILS TO EXPRESS MY CONCERN ABOUT NOT PROCEEDING WITH EVALUATING THESE AND THESE RUBRICS.
THESE ARE THE ONES THAT I WAS REFERRING TO THAT HAVE NO REFERENCE TO LAW OR ANYTHING.
THESE ARE THE ACTUALLY THE RUBRICS I WAS REFERRING TO.
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SMITH, WHICH BY THE WAY, WHEN I WATCH THE SHAC MEETINGS, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.I, I WHAT YOU DEAL WITH, WITH THE DIFFERING OPINIONS ON THE SHAC IS VERY NOTICEABLE.
AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK ON THAT.
SIMMONS, FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS TOPIC AND YOUR INTEREST.
AND IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU SPEND A LOT OF TIME INVESTING IN THIS.
AND SO I APPRECIATE THAT FOR BOTH OF YOU.
AT THIS POINT, MY QUESTION IS, ARE ARE BOTH OF YOU AMENABLE TO HAVING A CONVERSATION OUTSIDE OF THIS SETTING TO TRY TO WORK TOGETHER TO BEST SERVE OUR STUDENTS? IF I COULD GET A VERBAL YES OR NO.
YES. I MEAN, WE'RE WE'RE ALWAYS HAPPY TO WORK WITH ANYBODY IN OUR COMMUNITY.
WE'RE. TRUSTEE WHERE YOU HAD A LIGHT ON, DID YOU GET YOUR QUESTION ANSWERED? THEN TRUSTEE BONE HAVE A FEW FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS.
AND FIRST, I'D LIKE TO SAY THIS ISN'T ABOUT THE SHAC WORK.
I THINK IT WAS EXCELLENT THIS YEAR.
YOU'RE SAYING THAT WE DID NOT AS A BOARD DO WHAT THE LAW STATES AND 28.004 AND.
THIS WAS ACTUALLY VERY HARD TO PREPARE FOR BECAUSE THIS IS A LOT OF PACKET.
AND THEN I HEARD THINGS SAY LIKE THE JUNE 16TH MEETING IS WHEN THE SHAG RECOMMENDATION WAS PASSED.
AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE MOVED.
I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU, BUT THAT'S ACTUALLY NOT CORRECT.
ANY ITEM THAT WE TOOK UP THAT EVENING THAT PEOPLE HAD SIGNED UP FOR WERE ALLOWED TO TALK.
IF WE PUNTED AN ITEM THAT EVENING, THEN THOSE PEOPLE, THEIR PUBLIC SPEAKING WAS NOT.
BUT NO ONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ABOUT THE SHAC THAT NIGHT.
SO THAT STATEMENT IS ACTUALLY NOT CORRECT.
THERE WERE PEOPLE THAT DID NOT SPEAK, BUT THOSE AGENDA ITEMS WERE PUNTED ENTIRELY.
BUT WE REVIEWED ALL OF THE PEOPLE WHO HAD SIGNED UP AFTER WE HAD TO TAKE THE PAUSE TO REESTABLISH QUORUM, I WENT THROUGH EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO SIGNED UP, LOOKED AT EVERYONE, THE THING THAT THEY HAD SAID THEY WERE GOING TO BE SPEAKING ON, COMPARED THAT WITH THE LIST OF ITEMS THAT WERE GOING TO BE CONTINUED TO BE HEARD THAT NIGHT AND THEN ALLOWED THOSE PEOPLE TO SPEAK IF THERE WERE ANY, AND I DON'T BELIEVE THERE WAS ANYBODY ELSE.
AND THEN WE PROCEEDED WITH THE MEETING.
SO ANYBODY THAT CHOSE TO SPEAK UP THAT NIGHT DID HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY.
IF WE CONTINUED WITH THOSE ITEMS, I WOULD SAY ACROSS TEXAS, WE PROBABLY HAD A RECORD, THAT WE HAD A SHAC THAT WE WERE GOING TO APPROVE SHAC ON A MEETING AND HAD ABSOLUTELY ZERO PEOPLE SIGN UP EVEN IN SMALL DISTRICTS.
I BET YOU THAT WAS A RECORD. SO WE SHOULD PROBABLY CHECK ON THAT.
BUT IT IS KIND OF INTERESTING AND I SEE HOW IT MUST HAVE BEEN CONFUSING THAT WE.
BERLIN ON ON JUNE, AND THEN WE REAFFIRMED IT ON AUGUST.
BUT IT SAYS THAT WE DO THAT IN OUR HANDBOOK.
CAN WE EXPLAIN WHY WE'RE TELLING PARENTS IN OUR HANDBOOK THAT WE'RE DOING THOSE THINGS? IS THIS IN OUR CONTENT BECAUSE.
WHAT WOULD BE THE APPROPRIATE FIRST OF ALL, DO YOU FEEL LIKE THOSE ARE APPROPRIATE TOPICS TO BE TO BE COVERED IN ROUND ROCK ISD? AND IF YES, THEN I'LL BE COMING BACK TO TO ALL OF YOU.
SO THIS IS ON PAGE NINE OF 100 AND THE ROUND ROCK ISD STUDENT HANDBOOK 368 OF 460 IN THIS PACKET.
AND AND HONESTLY, AS A PARENT, I MEAN, I DO BELIEVE SOME OF THIS COMES OUT THROUGH OUR SEO CONTENT.
I MEAN, THE GOAL HERE IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE LAW.
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SIMMONS COMING AND MAKING SURE AND HOLDING US ACCOUNTABLE.AND THAT'S THAT IS A LITTLE BIT FRUSTRATING.
AND IT'S YOU KNOW, IT IS SOMETHING.
THAT I NEED TO UNDERSTAND TONIGHT.
SIMMONS NEEDS. I MEAN, SHE NEEDS, YOU KNOW, EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING ON HERE.
THIS STUFF IS IN THE HANDBOOK, BUT WE'RE NOT REALLY DOING IT.
OKAY, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE GOING.
SIMMONS DOES NOT BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE FOR AND I DO NOT THINK FOR THIS GRIEVANCE TONIGHT THAT THAT I DON'T KNOW HOW I CAN SHOW HER THAT WE HAVE ACTUALLY COMPLIED WITH THE LAW.
WELL, I WANT TO STOP YOU THERE.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO I MEAN, IN MY OPINION, YOU DON'T NEED TO TELL HER.
I NEED TO KNOW. AND I THINK THE MEMBERS OF THIS BOARD, I MEAN, IT'S OUR DUTY.
I MEAN, IF YOU READ 28.00 FOR THEIR SHALL STATEMENTS, WE SHALL.
THERE IS NO THE BOARD CAN, MAY, MIGHT IT'S A SHALL STATEMENT.
YES, MA'AM. AND I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE SHOWN YOU TONIGHT THAT IF YOU JUST LOOK AT THE PRESENTATIONS THAT WERE GIVEN TO THE BOARD, THE SHAC RECOMMENDATIONS, WHICH WERE ADOPTED AND ARE VERY CLEAR, THOSE IS FOR FOURTH AND FIFTH GRADE.
SO IF YOU COULD RECONCILE THAT WHEN THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE SHAC WAS FOR FOURTH AND FIFTH GRADE CURRICULUM, WHY WAS THAT RECOMMENDATION BROUGHT FORWARD? IF IT'S NOT TO DO WITH THE SHAC AND THE FOURTH AND FIFTH GRADE WAS THAT ONE VIDEO I THAT'S THAT'S ALL WE'RE WE'RE SHOWING THEM ONE VIDEO ABOUT YOUR CHANGING BODIES RIGHT I MEAN THE LAW CARES ABOUT ONE VIDEO, THOUGH.
THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. YES, MA'AM.
SO THE LAW IF THAT'S WHAT IF WE SHOW I MEAN, IF WE GO TO MIDDLE SCHOOL AND SHOW ONE VIDEO AND CALL THAT OUR SEX HEALTH CURRICULUM, THAT'S OUR SEX HEALTH CURRICULUM AND THERE'S LAWS ABOUT IT. I MEAN, I KNOW WE WANT TO MAKE NOTHING OF THIS, BUT THERE ARE LAWS.
WE'VE GOT TO SHOW COMPLIANCE TO THOSE LAWS.
I MEAN, LOTS OF US WOULD LIKE TO BELIEVE IN SANTA CLAUS.
AND JUST BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO, BUT WE YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE PROOF.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'M NEEDING HERE.
WELL, I'M SORRY THAT YOU'RE NOT SEEING IT.
WE IT WAS IN THE SHAC RECOMMENDATION THAT THAT WAS PRESENTED TO YOU SEVERAL TIMES.
I THINK THAT IT WAS VERY CLEAR THAT WE ARE COMPLYING WITH THE LAW.
IT TALKS ABOUT YOU MAY NEED TO WEAR DEODORANT BECAUSE YOUR BODY IS CHANGING.
AND CLARIFY, IS THAT SEXUAL HEALTH, THOUGH, FOR ELEMENTARY, IS THAT FOURTH AND FIFTH? WHAT DOES THAT CONSIDER THAT'S JUST CONSIDERED HEALTH OR DO YOU KNOW I MEAN, IN THE LAW, WHAT WOULD THAT BE CONSIDERED? I MEAN, I'D HAVE TO INVESTIGATE TO SEE EXACTLY WHAT IT WOULD BE CALLED IN LAW.
I THINK WE CALL IT THE ANNUAL MATURATION CONTENT.
YOU KNOW, THAT THE SHAC REVIEWS AND MAKES A RECOMMENDATION AS TO WHAT THEY FEEL, WHAT IT FEELS IS THE APPROPRIATE RESOURCE FOR US TO USE WHEN TEACHING THE FOURTH AND FIFTH GRADE CONTENT.
AND THERE'S NO SEXUAL REPRODUCTION THAT'S IN THAT.
THAT'S THE KIND OF DETAILS THAT WE'RE NOT GETTING TONIGHT.
SO THAT'S WHAT I CAN'T IT'S HARD FOR ME TO MAKE A JUDGMENT THAT.
I DID GET TO LISTEN AS I WAS SITTING IN TRAFFIC COMING FROM ANOTHER MEETING.
SO I REALLY THINK WE SHOULD STAY AWAY FROM THAT, IF POSSIBLE.
THE PROOF IS IN THIS IN THIS SETTING WHERE WE'RE GETTING THE REBUTTAL FOR WHAT'S HAPPENED.
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ACCUSATIONS. AND IS THERE ANY OTHER WAY THAN ASKING QUESTIONS TO DO THAT? IS THAT DIRECTING STAFF? I THINK I'D HAVE TO.AND THAT FEELS MAYBE LIKE WE'RE WALKING A FINE LINE.
OKAY, WELL, I WASN'T TRYING TO DIRECT STAFF.
IF YOU COULD HELP ME UNDERSTAND, I WAS JUST ASKING QUESTIONS.
YEAH, IT WAS JUST MAYBE A CAUTIONARY REMINDER FOR ALL OF US.
SIMMONS. HAVE YOU LEARNED ANYTHING IN THE DISCUSSION AND THE QUESTIONS? HAVE YOU GAINED SOME INSIGHT THAT YOU DIDN'T HAVE? AN HOUR AND A HALF AGO.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO.
IF IF YOU'RE ASKING ME IF I HAVE LEARNED THAT THE DISTRICT IS IN COMPLIANCE.
HAS ANYTHING TONIGHT BEEN HELPFUL? SURE. I THINK THAT IT'S POSSIBLE THAT THE INTERPRETATION OF THE LANGUAGE ON PAGE 274 AT THE BOTTOM E ONE WHERE IT SAYS AFTER THE BOARD'S ADOPTION, PROVIDE THE RECOMMENDATIONS AT THE BOARD OR TO THE BOARD AT A PUBLIC MEETING THAT THE INTERPRETATION THERE MAY HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT. BUT NO.
CAN YOU VERY SPECIFICALLY HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU STILL BELIEVE WE'RE NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE LAW? DID YOU WANT ME TO START AT THE BEGINNING OF MY POINT OR JUST SPEAK GENERALLY? WELL, I MEAN, GENERALLY, I GUESS.
I MEAN, I REALLY AM TRYING TO FIND OUT.
LET ME FOCUS ON JUST A COUPLE OF POINTS.
SO FIRST OF ALL, I'M VERY CONCERNED THAT THIS BODY APPROVES SOMETHING SO IMPORTANT THAT WAS WRITTEN TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC UNDERSTOOD THAT YOU HAD DELIBERATED, THAT YOU HAD REVIEWED THE SPECIFIC CONTENT THAT YOU HAD APPROVED, THE SPECIFIC CONTENT, NOT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
I AM GOING TO TAKE ISSUE WITH THAT.
THE TERMS SPECIFIC CONTENT, AGAIN, I REFERENCE THAT ON.
LET'S SEE. IN MY IN MY PRESENTATION, IT WAS IN THE CHILD ABUSE.
AND THEN I WOULD ALSO QUESTION ON THE HANDBOOK, IT SAYS IT'S SUPPOSED TO INCLUDE DETAILED DESCRIPTION OF THE CONTENT OF THE DISTRICT'S HUMAN SEXUALITY INSTRUCTION AND A GENERAL SCHEDULE ON WHICH THE INSTRUCTION WILL BE PROVIDED.
I FAILED TO INCLUDE GENERAL SCHEDULE ON MY GRIEVANCE.
SO CAN YOU SAY THAT WHOLE POINT AGAIN? SURE. SO THE HANDBOOK IS SUPPOSED TO INCLUDE A DETAILED DESCRIPTION OF THE CONTENT OF THE HUMAN SEXUAL INSTRUCTION AND A GENERAL SCHEDULE ON WHICH THE INSTRUCTION WILL BE PROVIDED.
ARE YOU READING FROM A STATUTE? I AM ON PAGE 275.
OKAY, GO AHEAD. SO IF I LOOK AT PAGE 367, I WOULD CHALLENGE WHETHER THIS IS CONSIDERED DETAILED DESCRIPTIONS AND I WOULD ASK WHERE IS THE GENERAL SCHEDULE? AND SO SO THERE'S DEFINITELY SOME POINTS IN HERE AND CONCERNS OF MEETING COMPLIANCE.
IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THE AUGUST 17TH, 18TH DATE.
IF WE'RE DONE, WE CAN BE DONE.
SAY THAT AGAIN. UNLESS SOMEONE ELSE HAS IT.
SO A GENERAL SCHEDULE, WHEN YOU GO TO BACK TO SCHOOL NIGHT AND YOU MEET WITH YOUR SCIENCE TEACHER, THEY'RE GOING TO SAY WHAT AT WHAT POINT YOU'RE GOING TO DO THIS PART OF THE CURRICULUM, RIGHT? I MEAN, IS THAT.
A GENERAL SCHEDULE OF WHEN THIS INSTRUCTION WILL BE PROVIDED TO THE PARENTS.
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WE HAVE MADE IT VERY CLEAR TO PARENTS.IT WAS CONTAINED IN ALL SORTS OF COMMUNICATIONS THAT WE HAVE HAD.
PRIOR TO THAT TIME, WE WILL PROVIDE THE FULL I'M SORRY, WHAT WOULD YOU CALL IT? THE BASICALLY I MEAN, ESSENTIALLY EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE TAUGHT.
PARENTS WILL RECEIVE THEIR OPT IN LETTER PRIOR TO INSTRUCTION STARTING AGAIN.
THIS A CHANGE IS MADE. PARENTS HAVE TO OPT THEIR STUDENTS INTO THIS EDUCATION RATHER THAN OPT OUT.
SO WITHIN ALL THAT, THERE'S GOING TO BE ADDITIONAL CLARITY, I GUESS.
AND HOW MUCH LEEWAY TIME ARE PARENTS GOING TO GET FOR THAT SOMETIME SOMETIMES IF THIS IS IN MAY, THAT WILL HAPPEN BY APRIL, I WOULD SAY WOULD DEFINITELY HAPPEN WITHIN WELL, WITHIN A MONTH. I THINK IT IS I THINK THERE IS A RULE SOMEWHERE THAT I HAVE TO LOOK UP THAT DOES, I BELIEVE, GIVE A TIME FRAME, BUT IT'LL BE WELL BEYOND THAT.
AMY, IS THIS THE PART WHERE IT SAYS BEFORE EACH SCHOOL YEAR? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE REFERENCING ON PAGE 275? IS THIS THE STATUTE? I WAS LOOKING RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE.
AND SO TWO IS WHAT I WAS REFERENCING BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT WAS.
SO IT DOES HAVE SO THAT'S IF I READ THIS RIGHT, RIGHT.
IS THAT HOW YOU READ THAT? UNDER. YEAH, UNDER I I.
SO AND I SAYS BEFORE EACH SCHOOL YEAR.
RIGHT. SO WE CAN'T DO THIS IN JANUARY.
IT HAS TO BE BEFORE EACH SCHOOL YEAR BECAUSE THIS IS ONE OF MS..
WE WILL BE PROVIDING NOTICE TO THIS WITH TO THE PARENTS.
IF YOU REFERENCE THE NOTICE BACK, THE NOTICE IT IS REFERENCING.
SO THAT IS CORRECT TO HAS TO BE IN THE NOTICE, WHICH IS BEFORE THE SCHOOL YEAR STARTS.
SO AND LET'S REPEAT THAT MANY TIMES.
SO WE'RE ALL WORKING THROUGH THIS TOGETHER.
AND THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE TOOK LIGHTLY.
AND THIS IS WHAT OUR SCHOOL DISTRICTS ARE DOING.
WE ARE PROVIDING NOTICES TO THE PARENTS, WHICH WE HAVE, WHICH WAS IN THE HANDBOOK, AND THEN WE ARE GOING TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL NOTICES TO THE PARENTS BEFORE THE INSTRUCTION OF SPECIFICALLY WHAT WILL BE TAUGHT.
THEY WILL BE PROVIDED IF THEY WANT.
THEY CAN HAVE ACCESS TO THE ACTUAL INSTRUCTION.
THEY GET TO MAKE DECISIONS ON WHETHER THEY WANT TO OPT IN OR OUT, THAT THAT WILL THOSE SPECIFICS WILL BE PROVIDED CLOSER TO THE INSTRUCTION DATE.
SIMMONS DOES DISAGREE WITH THIS.
HOWEVER, THAT IS A DISAGREEMENT BETWEEN OPINIONS.
I WAS NOT WITH THE DISTRICT AT THAT TIME, BUT I HAVE RESEARCHED THIS VERY THOROUGHLY AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT I HAVE DONE SURVEYS WITH DISTRICTS AROUND THE STATE OF TEXAS, AND THIS IS HOW THIS IS BEING HANDLED.
THIS IS THIS IS WHAT IS GOING ON.
I'M SURE THAT SOME PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT PROCESSES.
BUT THIS IS WE BELIEVE THAT THIS IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE STATE STATUTES AND THAT WE HAVE DONE EVERYTHING WE CAN TO BE AS TRANSPARENT WITH THESE PARENTS.
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SO I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.IT DOES. I JUST THINK, YOU KNOW, JUST FEEDBACK AS A PARENT, I MEAN, BECAUSE THIS READS PRETTY CLEARLY, IT'S NOT TOO CONVOLUTED AND IT DOES IT'S TALKING ABOUT THE NOTICE AND THEN IT TALKS ABOUT THE NOTICE AND IT SAYS IT HAS TO HAVE A TIME FRAME.
AND I KNOW MR. SMITH WAS JUST TALKING, OH, THAT'S GOING TO BE IN MAY.
BUT I THINK THERE'S A FEW OF US UP HERE THAT HAVE MIDDLE SCHOOL STUDENTS, AND I'M NOT FOR SURE.
I WAS AWARE OF THE TIME FRAME THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE DONE.
IT USED TO BE DONE, I THINK. RIGHT.
I THINK YOU SENT THAT TO ALL EVEN THOUGH I REVIEW THE COMPUTER.
BUT I AND I WAS SURPRISED THAT I GOT THE EMAIL TO GO LOOK AT THE CURRICULUM I'M ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT THIS YEAR WHEN WHEN THEY'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO DO IT, LIKE WHEN IT'S GOING TO BE THE TIME FRAME.
AND I DON'T THINK I'VE EVEN HEARD AS A PARENT IN THE DISTRICT THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE DONE IN MAY.
I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THE CALENDAR IF IT WAS DONE SOMETIME IN THE LATE PART OF THE SCHOOL YEAR.
LAST YEAR, I BELIEVE IT WAS IN MAY.
I'D HAVE TO DOUBLE DOUBLE CHECK BEFORE.
I CAN ONLY SPEAK. I CAN. I CAN DOUBLE CHECK.
I THINK THERE IS CONFUSION EVEN UP HERE OF LIKE WHEN IT IS.
THE ONLY REASON I SAY THIS IS BECAUSE THIS IS A SENSITIVE SUBJECT.
AND PARENTS, IF THEY WANT TO OPT IN NOW.
RIGHT. BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO OPT IN.
IT IS NICE TO KNOW WHEN AM I OPTING IN, RIGHT.
DID MY KID MISS IT? AM I OPTING IN? AM I OPTING OUT? AND IF THERE HASN'T ALREADY BEEN SOMETHING SENT OUT AND THEN YOU'RE READING THE LAW AND IT SEEMS LIKE SOMETHING SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SCHOOL YEAR TO LET YOU KIND OF KNOW THE TIME FRAME OF WHEN THIS IS GOING TO BE TAUGHT TO YOUR CHILD.
SIMMONS IS SAYING THAT, THAT MAYBE WE NEED TO REMEDY THAT.
WELL, AGAIN, I WOULD JUST SAY LIKE, I KNOW AND I CAN ONLY SPEAK FOR DEER PARK, BUT IF YOU GO TO BACK TO SCHOOL NIGHT, EVEN IF YOU DON'T GO TO BACK TO SCHOOL NIGHT, YOU GET THE THING AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR THAT SAYS THESE ARE ALL THE THINGS WE'RE GOING TO GO OVER.
AND IT'S ALWAYS BEEN AT THE END SINCE 2008, AT LEAST IN DEER PARK, BECAUSE I'VE BEEN HERE FOREVER.
AND WE ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, I JUST ALWAYS KNEW IT WAS GOING TO BE AT THE END.
BUT WE ALWAYS GOT IT AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE YEAR.
WHAT ALL THE WHAT ALL WAS GOING TO BE COVERED IN THE SCIENCE CLASS OR IN SIXTH GRADE.
DON'T THEY GET THE FORM WHERE THEY OPT IN AND OUT SO THEY KNOW THAT SEXUAL EDUCATION IS COMING? IT'S NOT LIKE WE CAN SURPRISE THEM.
AND I MEAN, THEY HAVE NUMBER ONE, ONCE AGAIN WITH THE NEW LAW, THEY HAVE TO OPT IN.
WE DON'T JUST SPRING IT ON THEM RIGHT BEFORE THE INSTRUCTION.
SO I DON'T BELIEVE THAT A PARENT WOULD BE SURPRISED ABOUT THIS AND IT COULD SLIP BY THEM.
HAVE WE SENT OUT THAT OPT IN AND OUT? HAS THAT BEEN PROVIDED? MR. SMITH. OFF TO CHECK WITH OUR OUR OUR HEALTH, OUR P AND HEALTH DEPARTMENT KIND OF MANAGES THAT THAT PIECE.
I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER TO THAT RIGHT NOW.
I MEAN, IS THAT ALSO SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE REMEDIED? WE CAN CERTAINLY TAKE IT OUT OF THE HANDBOOK.
AND SO THAT'S WHEN WHEN THAT WAS MORE PREVALENT, THAT WAS TAUGHT.
AND ACTUALLY WE HAD THE OPTION OF TEACHING A HEALTH CLASS IN HIGH SCHOOL.
WE ARE NOT TEACHING IT BECAUSE WE HAVE NO STUDENTS WHO ARE INTERESTED OR SIGNING UP FOR IT.
IN THE EVENT THAT WE HAD HAD STUDENTS THAT WERE INTERESTED.
IF WE HAD NOT PLACED THIS NOTICE IN IN THERE TO BEGIN WITH AND WE WOULD HAVE HAD A PROBLEM LATER.
YES, IT'S NOT SOME YEARS OR THERE'S STUDENTS IN THE CLASS, SOME YEARS.
THERE'S NOT A LOT. IT DEPENDS ON CHOICE SHEETS AND WHAT WHAT? IT'S A ONE SEMESTER CLASS IN HIGH SCHOOL KIDS SIGN UP FOR OR NOT AND AGAIN THAT'S WHY SO WE'RE PREPARED.
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SO IF WE DO HAVE STUDENTS TAKING HEALTH IN THE FUTURE, I'M WORKING WITH THE SHAC TO DETERMINE IF THOSE ARE TOPICS THAT AS A COMMUNITY WE FEEL ARE APPROPRIATE TO BE TAUGHT.AND IF SO, WE'LL COME BACK WITH AN APPROVAL PROCESS FOR THAT CURRICULUM.
SO THIS IS OUR FIRST GRIEVANCE AND OPEN, I THINK, IN A REALLY LONG TIME.
AND SO THIS COUNTS AS OUR DELIBERATION.
BUT HOW DO WE MOVE FORWARD AND FIND A RESOLUTION? I THINK WHEN THERE IS NO MORE QUESTIONS FROM THE DAIS OR IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE TO DELIBERATIONS, I'D LIKE I MOVE TO MOVE TO DELIBERATIONS.
I ACTUALLY HAD A CLARIFYING QUESTION ABOUT THE REMEDIES REQUESTED THAT I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO GO THROUGH BEFORE WE GET INTO DELIBERATIONS, BUT THAT MIGHT BE PART OF THE DELIBERATIONS AS WELL.
AND WILL WE THIS IS A PROCEDURAL QUESTION.
WILL WE DELIBERATE AND CLOSE? NO. AN OPEN AND OPEN.
OKAY. I'LL WITHDRAW MY MOTION SO YOU TWO CAN ASK YOUR QUESTION.
IF YOU DO FEEL THAT YOU NEED LEGAL ADVICE AND CLOTHES, YOU COULD GO IN FOR THAT.
JUST WANT TO REMIND THE BOARD.
WESTON. YOU HAVE A CLARIFYING QUESTION? YES. SO WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS LETTER.
I NUMBER TWO ON PAGE 275 FROM THE STATUTE, A REQUIREMENT FOR A DETAILED DESCRIPTION OF THE CONTENT OF THE DISTRICT'S HUMAN SEXUALITY INSTRUCTION AND A GENERAL SCHEDULE ON WHICH THE INSTRUCTION WILL BE PROVIDED.
SO, MS.. HILL, EARLIER YOU TALKED ABOUT A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION.
SO I GUESS WHAT YOU GOT, WHAT THE ADMINISTRATION HAS POINTED TO AS FAR AS AS FAR AS OUR FULFILLMENT OF THAT REQUIREMENT IS PAGE 367, IS THAT CORRECT? WITH REGARD TO THE NOTICE REQUIREMENTS? YES. WITH I MEAN, WITH REGARD TO THE NOTICE THAT IT WILL BE TAUGHT THAT YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO OPT IN AND OUT IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DOES THE DOES THAT PAGE OF THE HANDBOOK TALK ABOUT EXACTLY WHAT WILL BE TAUGHT? NO, IT WILL NOT.
NO, IT DOES NOT. THOSE THOSE THINGS WERE PROVIDED TO THE PARENTS AND THROUGH OTHER WAYS.
OKAY. AND WHERE WOULD THE SCHEDULE BE? BECAUSE IF I REMEMBER, MS.. SIMMONS, YOUR YOU TAKE ISSUE WITH A LACK OF A SCHEDULE.
ACTUALLY, IT'S NOT PART OF HER COMPLAINT.
THE GENERAL SCHEDULE IS NOT PART OF HER COMPLAINT.
THANKS FOR CLARIFYING THAT. I WAS GOING TO ASK HER ON THAT.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.
SCHEDULE PART FOR PAGE 3 TO 75 IS NOT PART OF HER COMPLAINT TONIGHT.
OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY, THEN, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I HAVE SOME CLARIFYING QUESTIONS ON THE.
REMEDIES REQUESTED PROBABLY TOWARDS ADMINISTRATION.
I'M REFERENCING PAGE TWO RIGHT NOW.
NUMBER ONE, THAT SEEMS PRETTY SELF-EXPLANATORY FOR US TO DECIDE.
NUMBER TWO, ARE WE DOING ANY INSTRUCTION ON CHILD ABUSE, DATING, VIOLENCE, FAMILY VIOLENCE AND SEX TRAFFICKING IN SCHOOLS RIGHT NOW? NOT AS A NOT AS PART OF A CLASS.
OKAY. ON NUMBER THREE, A PROCESS TO ASSURE COMPLIANCE.
OKAY, THAT'S SELF EXPLANATORY.
NUMBER FOUR, TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE WITH THE LAW REGARDING REQUIRING REGARDING CHILD ABUSE.
WE'RE NOT TEACHING ANY OF THAT.
SO THERE WOULD NO BE COMPLIANCE NECESSARY FOR IT AS WELL.
IS THAT. AM I? AM I UNDERSTANDING THAT? YES, MA'AM. OKAY.
HOLD ON. I'M JUST MAKING SOME NOTES.
WELL, CAN I PIGGYBACK ON THAT? IS THE ANSWER TO THOSE? NO, BUT SOMEBODY COULD ENROLL IN THAT CLASS AND THEN NOT NOT AT THIS POINT FOR THIS YEAR.
IT'S ALREADY ENROLLED, BUT WE'VE MOVED BEYOND WHEN KIDS WOULD SIGN UP FOR RIGHT IN THE SPRING.
SO BECAUSE WE MIGHT AND A LOT OF TIMES NOT ENOUGH KIDS WILL SIGN UP.
SO WE DON'T DON'T END UP THE CLASSES OR MAKE.
SO WE MAY HAVE A SECTION NEXT YEAR WE MAY NOT ON ONE OF THE HIGH SCHOOLS.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M WORKING WITH THE SHAC RIGHT NOW TO BE PREPARED.
IF WE DO, THEN WE'LL HAVE THIS COVERED.
NUMBER FIVE HAS TO DO WITH REQUIRING TRAINING FOR SHAC MEMBERS.
CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND? IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE AN AUTHORITY TO DO? CAN WE REQUIRE VOLUNTEERS TO TAKE CERTAIN TRAININGS, OR IS THAT PART OF THE STATE LAW OF WHAT SHAC MEMBERS ARE REQUIRED TO? HELP ME UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT WE CAN ACTUALLY REQUIRE OUR VOLUNTEERS TO DO.
NO, MA'AM. WE CANNOT REQUIRE MEMBERS OF THE SHAC COMMITTEE TO TAKE ANY SPECIFIC TRAINING.
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AND IT IS NOT SPECIFICALLY NOT IN THE LAW THAT SHAC MEMBERS HAVE TO TAKE ANY SORT OF SPECIFIC TRAINING.IN OUR STAKEHOLDERS IN THIS, WE CAN'T REQUIRE THEM TO TAKE ANY OF THESE TRAININGS.
CAN I GET CLARIFICATION ON THAT? BECAUSE WE WERE JUST REVIEWING SOME INFORMATION EARLIER AND WE WERE TOLD THAT THE SAFETY AND SECURITY.
COMMITTEE, WHICH IS PRETTY MUCH LIKE THE SHAG.
IT'S A COMMUNITY THAT THEY ARE BEING REQUIRED BY OUR DISTRICT TO TAKE.
TOMA THE TEXAS OF A MEETING IS ACT TRAINING.
BUT YOU'RE SAYING WE CAN'T REQUIRE TRAINING.
WE AS A. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT I MEAN.
IT'S MADE UP OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT'S REQUIRED UNDER THE LAW.
THAT'S A LAW THAT'S THE NEW THING COMING FROM, I THINK, TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT.
YES, I THINK THAT'S THE STATE OF TEXAS.
YEAH, THAT COMMITTEE HAS TO GO IN CLOSED SESSION.
TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THERE'S NO REASON WHY THE SHAC GOES IN CLOSED SESSION OR OPEN SESSION.
WELL, I THOUGHT THE SHAC WAS REQUIRED TO DO TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS.
NO. I THINK BECAUSE BECAUSE THE WAY IT'S SET UP NOW BY BY BY THE STATE OF TEXAS, WHEN IT COMES TO SAFETY AND SECURITY, WE HAVE TO FOLLOW EXACTLY THE WAY THE BOARD WILL CONDUCT OUR BUSINESS WITH THE BOARD.
SO THAT'S WHY THEY'RE ASKING EVERY MEMBER NOW TO GO THROUGH THE TRAUMA TRAINING.
DO WE CURRENTLY HAVE A PROCESS ON HOW PARENTS CONSENT TO THE HANDBOOK? YES, MA'AM. IT'S IN THE HANDBOOK.
HAVE WE PURCHASING OR ARE WE IN THE PROCESS OF PURCHASING ANY OF THAT MATERIAL? NO, MA'AM, WE ARE NOT.
WE ARE NOT EVEN TEACHING THOSE, SO WE'RE NOT PURCHASING INSTRUCTIONAL MATERIALS ON THAT.
OKAY. NUMBER EIGHT, UPDATE THE SHAC WEBSITE WITH DETAILED DOCUMENTATION REGARDING COMPLIANCE.
IS THIS A REQUIREMENT THAT IS REQUIRED UNDER THE SHAC GUIDELINES THAT WE POST COMPLIANCE WITH THAT, OR WOULD THAT JUST BE AN EXTRA ADDED LAYER? THAT WOULD JUST BE AN EXTRA ADDED LAYER.
OKAY. NUMBER NINE AMEND THE SHAC BYLAWS TO REFLECT AUTHORITY, PURPOSE AND DUTIES REQUIRED BY LAW.
THAT'S JUST A REQUEST ON HER PART, CORRECT? THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT A LEGAL REQUIREMENT.
28.4 DOES IN OUR BOARD POLICY ALREADY TALKED THAT WE'RE TO FOLLOW ALL STATE LAWS AND SO IT ALREADY COMPREHENSIVE. IT JUST DOESN'T SPECIFICALLY MENTION THAT.
YES, MA'AM, IT DOESN'T SPECIFICALLY MENTION THE STATUTE.
HOWEVER, YOUR BOARD POLICIES REQUIRE YOU TO UPHOLD THE STATE LAW.
OKAY. SO THOSE ARE THE TEN REQUESTED REMEDIES.
I JUST WANTED TO GO THROUGH EACH ONE OF THESE TRUSTEES.
IF THERE'S NO MORE QUESTIONS, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE INTO THE DELIBERATIONS PHASE.
AND NUMBER FOUR, IF NO, IF THE BOARD TAKES NO ACTION, THE DECISION OF LEVEL TWO STANDS.
SINCE THERE IS NO LEVEL TWO DECISION, THE BOARD'S WILL HAVE SATISFIED ITS OBLIGATION TO STOP, LOOK AND LISTEN TO THE GRIEVANT AS REQUIRED IN ACCORDANCE WITH BOARD POLICY LEGAL THROUGHOUT THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS.
SO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE INTO THE DELIBERATION PHASE.
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DISAGREEMENT MOVING FORWARD AND THEN DECIDE WHICH ONE OF THE ACTIONS THAT WE WANT TO TAKE.DOES THAT SOUND LIKE A GOOD PLAN MOVING FORWARD? YES. OKAY.
CEASE AND DESIST ALL HUMAN SEXUALITY INSTRUCTION IN ROUND ROCK ISD UNTIL PROOF HAS BEEN PRESENTED IN A PUBLIC MEETING THAT REQUIREMENTS IN TEXAS EDUCATION CODE 28.004 AND ANY OTHER APPLICABLE TEXAS LAWS HAVE BEEN FULFILLED.
ANY COMMENTS FROM TRUSTEES? WHAT WE'RE. WE'RE NOT TEACHING IT RIGHT NOW.
IT'S GOING TO BE TAUGHT IN MAY.
AND I THINK WE HAVE PROOF THAT WE'VE MET THE REQUIREMENTS.
OKAY. SO ANY COMMENTS FROM ANYBODY ELSE? SURE. I HAVE A COMMENT.
I'M NOT SATISFIED THAT WE HAVE THE PROOF THAT WE'VE MET ALL OF 28.004.
THERE'S NO WAY TO DETERMINE THAT.
TRUSTEE WESTON. YEAH, I DON'T SEE A DOWNSIDE TO JUST HAVING THE ADMINISTRATION COME BACK AND AFFIRM WHAT'S BEEN GIVEN TONIGHT.
SO I DON'T SEE A DOWNSIDE WITH JUST ASKING THE ADMINISTRATION TO PROVIDE US WITH THAT.
CAN I ASK WHAT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION YOU'RE HOPING THAT WILL BE PROVIDED THAT'S NOT HERE TONIGHT? SURE. AND THIS IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE DONE EVERY YEAR.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THAT'S COMPLIANT.
WHEN I TOOK THIS TRAINING AT TACITUS B SO THAT'S BEEN OVER A YEAR AGO, THEY WERE ALREADY STARTING TO TALK AND THEY DIDN'T KNOW THAT THIS WAS GOING TO BE BURDENSOME ON THE DISTRICTS. AND THEY ACTUALLY SAID IT WAS DESIGNED TO BE THAT WAY BECAUSE THIS IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT TOPIC.
AND SO I, I DO THINK JUST SAYING, YEAH, WE'VE MET 28.004 WITHOUT ACTUALLY SAYING, YOU KNOW, EACH ITEM WE'VE MET AND BECAUSE THAT IS OUR JOB, I MEAN, IT'S NOT LIKE WE CAN MEET 50% OF THE LAW ARE, YOU KNOW, 95% OF THE LAW.
WE HAVE TO MEET 100% OF THE LAW.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TO DO.
I MEAN, THAT'S OUR THAT IS REALLY OUR MAIN JOB.
AND I CAN'T DO THAT TONIGHT BECAUSE I DO NEED JUST A CHECKLIST THROUGH 28.004 OF LIKE, WE'RE NOT TEACHING THIS BECAUSE ACTUALLY IT WAS IN THE HANDBOOK, BUT WE'RE NOT TEACHING IT. I MEAN, I KIND OF NEED THAT DETAILED SO WE KNOW WE'RE MEETING 100% OF THE LAW AND THEN WE CAN ALL SLEEP WELL AT NIGHT.
I LISTENED DRIVING AND THEY WENT THROUGH EVERY SINGLE CONCERN AND REFUTED EVERY CONCERN.
SO I THINK THAT'S DISRESPECTFUL TO STAFF.
I ALSO THINK THAT'S OVERTAKING THE ROLE OF LEGAL COUNSEL.
AND I'M NOT A LAWYER AND I'M NOT INTERESTED IN BEING ONE, AND I FEEL LIKE THAT'S INAPPROPRIATE.
I WONDER IF WE COULD DO A STRAW POLL OR WHAT WE MIGHT DO.
SO I THINK THAT WE SHOULD PROBABLY HAVE A MOTION ON EACH ONE OF THEM.
I THINK IT WILL BE FOR CLARIFICATION PURPOSES.
YEAH. AND I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THIS ISN'T JUST FOR US.
I MEAN, WE SIT UP HERE LIKE WE'RE KINGS AND QUEENS, BUT WE'RE NOT.
THIS WOULD ACTUALLY NOT BE AND I KNOW IT'S A BURDEN.
I MEAN, WE WERE TOLD THAT IN OUR TRAINING AND IT'S UNFORTUNATE, BUT I MEAN, THE LEGISLATOR SITS DOWN IN AUSTIN, GO TALK TO THEM OR WHOEVER PUT THIS IN LAW, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO MEET 100% OF IT.
IT'S FOR THE PARENTS TO ENSURE IT'S NOT FOR THE SEVEN OF US.
AND THERE WERE THINGS THAT WERE SAID TONIGHT AND HONESTLY, I THINK IT ACTUALLY PROTECTS THE DISTRICT BECAUSE YOUR EXPLANATION DENIED OF WHY WE DIDN'T PUT IN THE NOTICE THE SCHEDULE AND THE WHAT WAS THERE WAS TWO THINGS THAT WE DIDN'T PUT IN THE NOTICE THAT HAS TO GO OUT BEFORE SCHOOL STARTS.
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AND SO HONESTLY, IT'S NOT JUST FOR US SEVEN, IT'S ALSO FOR OUR COMMUNITY.AND CAN I CHIME IN OR SHOULD I JUST HIT MY BUTTON? GO AHEAD. OKAY. I THINK I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAUGHT IT, TIFFANY, BUT THERE WAS EVEN AN ACKNOWLEDGMENT THAT THE STATUTORY REQUIREMENT ABOUT NOTING THE HOURS, THEY ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THAT'S LACKING.
AND SO FOR ME, WITH REGARD TO PROTECTING THE DISTRICT, I JUST DON'T SEE A DOWNSIDE.
I MEAN, MY BACKGROUND IN THE MILITARY, IT'S JUST CONSTANTLY RUNNING CHECKLISTS, CONSTANTLY BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MUCH MINUTIA IN SO MANY THINGS. I WAS AT THE CASB TRAINING DOWN IN GALVESTON IN MARCH OF LAST YEAR, AND MARY'S RIGHT.
THEY WERE TELLING US THIS IS THIS IS GOING TO BE A BURDEN.
AND I JUST I THINK IT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST.
I DON'T KNOW THAT I'M FOR CEASING AND DESISTING BECAUSE WE'RE NOT EVEN DOING IT RIGHT NOW.
IT'S MORE A MATTER OF BASICALLY RUNNING A CHECKLIST ON THIS NEW ONEROUS LAW.
SO JUST TO YOU WANT THE DISTRICT ADMINISTRATION TO PRINT OUT 28.004 AND PUT A CHECK OR AN X NEXT TO EVERYTHING IN IN HERE.
YEAH, I THINK. I MEAN, I DON'T.
I MEAN, HOW ELSE DO YOU KNOW IF YOU COMPLIED WITH 100% OF THE LAW? IF THERE'S ANOTHER WAY OTHER THAN JUST, HEY, MARY, BELIEVE IT, I NEED A YOU KNOW, IN MY WORLD, I MEAN, I'VE MANAGED THOUSANDS OF REQUIREMENTS AND THAT'S WHAT THESE ARE.
AND YES, WE ACTUALLY DO THOSE KIND OF CHECKLISTS.
WE'RE BESIDE IT. WE JUST SAY THIS IS HOW WE MET IT.
AND LOTS OF TIMES BECAUSE LOTS OF TIMES IT'S LIKE WE'RE NOT EVEN DOING THAT.
BUT BUT THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING IN HERE THAT YOU MISSED, RIGHT? LIKE, OH, WE DIDN'T DO THAT.
AND WE NEED TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THAT.
I MEAN, THEY'VE HAD TO DO THIS IN SOME FORM.
AND THE OTHER THING IS WHATEVER THEY PUT TOGETHER, I MEAN, I WOULD THINK THEY CAN USE YEAR AFTER YEAR AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY COULD JUST TURN IN, YOU KNOW, THIS YEAR WHEN THEY BRING THEIR WHATEVER FORWARD AND SAY, HERE, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING, WE'RE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE LAW, YOU GUYS CAN BE ASSURED BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING.
I HEAR YOU AND I DISAGREE STILL.
I MEAN, AND IT'S OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO DISAGREE.
I FEEL LIKE THAT'S DIRECTING STUFF.
I FEEL LIKE THAT'S GETTING INTO THE ROLE OF ADMINISTRATION OVER GOVERNANCE.
WE OUR OPTIONS ARE TO DISMISS.
WE DENY REQUESTED REMEDY ONE A SECOND.
I HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND TO DENY REQUESTED REMEDY NUMBER ONE.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? CAN I AMEND THAT? YES, I MOVED TO AMEND THAT TO.
HOLD ON. WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT IN PART? WELL, IT'S PROBABLY A PART OF THE NUMBER EIGHT.
OKAY, THAT'S SATISFACTORY TO ME.
I CAN WITHDRAW. SO YOU WITHDRAW YOUR MOTION? I HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND.
OKAY. NUMBER TWO. CEASE AND DESIST.
AGAIN, THIS IS ONE THAT THEY SAID WE'RE NOT TEACHING AT ALL.
SO DO I HAVE A MOTION? I MOVE THAT WE DENY REMEDY TO A SECOND.
CAN YOU WHAT? CAN I AMEND THAT, PLEASE? YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND IT TO ADD THAT WE REMOVE THAT LANGUAGE THEN FROM THE HANDBOOK ALSO.
A SECOND. CAN YOU STATE YOUR WHOLE MOTION? SO I MOVE TO DENY.
LET ME GO BACK TO THE PAGES AT NUMBER TWO.
SO I MOVED TO DENY NUMBER TWO.
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NO, IT'S FULLY DENY.HOW ABOUT YOU MAKE A SEPARATE MOTION TO INCLUDE THAT CHANGE TO.
I THINK SHE'S IN AGREEMENT WITH THE MOTION TO DENY.
SHE JUST WANTS TO AMEND TO ADD WITH THE AMENDMENT.
TO ADD THAT THE STUDENT HANDBOOK LANGUAGE REGARDING THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC THAT THAT BE REMOVED.
YES. THAT SOUND GOOD? YES, THAT'S GOOD.
NOW, ROBERT'S RULES, WE VOTE TO APPROVE THAT AMENDMENT CAN BE MADE.
THEN WE GO BACK AND VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT.
SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO VOTE ON IT TWICE.
YEAH, IT'S A REALLY WONKY THING.
BUT I'M GLAD THAT Y'ALL ARE TRYING TO DO IT RIGHT.
I HAVE A QUESTION BEFORE WE VOTE ON IT.
YES. SO THE QUESTION WOULD BE IF THAT'S AMENDED AFTER THEY'VE BEEN SIGNED FOR THE SCHOOL YEAR, WOULDN'T WE HAVE TO RESIGN THOSE STUDENT HANDBOOKS IF THAT'S TAKEN OUT? I THINK THOSE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE.
THEY HAVE TO DO IT FOR THE NEXT SCHOOL YEAR.
IS THAT RIGHT AT THE NEXT SCHOOL YEAR TO AMEND THAT HANDBOOK? I'M TRYING NOT TO GIVE YOU LEGAL ADVICE, AND IT'S JUST.
GO AHEAD. YOU'RE NOT REALLY SUPPOSED TO KNOW, BUT.
AZAIEZ, YOU CAN'T TALK EITHER.
SO WE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE THAT MOTION TO INCLUDE REVISIONS IN THE NEXT STUDENT HANDBOOK.
THE NEXT SCHOOL YEAR STUDENT HANDBOOK.
AND I WOULD JUST SAY A MINUTE TO COMPLY WITH 28.04, YOU KNOW, REQUIREMENTS.
I MEAN, WE COULD SAY TO AMEND IT TO REFLECT WHAT WE'RE TEACHING BECAUSE.
RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. MR. SMITH SAID NEXT YEAR WE MIGHT, MAYBE IT WILL.
BUT SO YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO DO IT FOR NEXT SCHOOL YEAR.
THEN THE AMENDMENT WOULD SAY FOR FOR ROBERT'S RULES PURPOSES, CAN I ASK EVERYBODY TO WITHDRAW EVERYTHING THAT THEY'VE SAID? AND WE START OVER BLANK BECAUSE WE'VE GOT THERE'S SEVERAL VERSIONS GOING ON HERE.
THREE, THREE. I MEAN, I STILL WANT WHAT I SAID, BUT I CAN WITHDRAW IT.
LET'S JUST CLARIFY TRUSTEE BOWEN, THE AMENDMENT AND WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE FOR IT TO DO.
AND THEN THEY WILL VOTE ON WHETHER THEY WANT THAT AMENDMENT TO GO FORWARD.
WELL, AND I CAN WITHDRAW MY AMENDMENT AND MAYBE IF WE CAN JUST HAVE A MAYBE IT'S JUST A STATEMENT.
I'M OKAY WITH THE STATEMENT SINCE IT'S FOR NEXT YEAR.
I'M OKAY. SO I WITHDRAW MY AMENDMENT.
SO WE'RE BACK TO DENY NUMBER TWO AND THEN AND A DIRECTIVE TO THE.
WELL, LET'S JUST VOTE ON THAT FIRST.
I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO DENY REQUESTED REMEDY NUMBER TWO.
ALL IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR HAND.
IT FEELS LIKE THAT'S TAKING NO ACTION.
THIS FEELS LIKE THAT MIGHT BE WHERE YOUR CHECKLIST COMES IN.
YEAH. CAN WE COMBINE THAT ONE IN NUMBER EIGHT AND TALK ABOUT THEM AT THE SAME TIME? BECAUSE THEY'RE KIND OF THE SAME THING? I'D RATHER REALLY GO BY THEM ONE BY ONE.
AND THEN IF WE GET TO NUMBER EIGHT AND WE'VE ALREADY SATISFIED IT, BUT.
I WILL TELL YOU, BEFORE WE VOTE ON IT AND BEFORE ANY MOTIONS ARE MADE, WHAT CONCERNS ME ABOUT THE LANGUAGE IN THIS REQUESTED REMEDY IS IT JUST SAYS IMPLEMENT PROCESSES AND IT DOESN'T SPECIFY WHAT THEY ARE.
IF WE WERE TO PASS TO GRANT THAT MOTION AS IT STANDS, I MEAN, TO GRANT THAT REQUESTED REMEDY AS IT IS, IT DOES NOT GIVE CLEAR DIRECTION TO THE ADMINISTRATION WHAT WE WANT. SO I THINK WE HAVE TO BE REAL CAREFUL IF WE JUST MOVE TO APPROVE THAT ONE.
THERE'S NOT REALLY ANY DIRECTION AS TO WHAT THOSE PROCESSES ARE.
IT SEEMS DUPLICITOUS, AND THIS IS NOT NORMALLY THE WAY WE DO THIS, BUT CAN WE MOTION TO TAKE NO ACTION? OR IS THE SHEER FACT THAT WE'RE MOTIONING, TAKING ACTION? YOU CAN MAKE NO MOTION, NO ACTION, RIGHT? AND YOU CAN MOTION FOR NO ACTION.
SO NORMALLY WHEN WE TAKE NO ACTION, WE JUST DON'T DO ANYTHING.
OKAY, SO WHAT'S THE BEST WAY TO CRAFT MY DESIRE TO SOMEHOW GET OUR ARMS AROUND LEGISLATION THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS AND IS WIDELY REGARDED TO BE ONEROUS, LABOR INTENSIVE, ADMINISTRATIVELY BURDENSOME? THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT WE CAN AGREE ABOUT.
28.004 COMING OUT OF THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION.
WHAT IS YOUR ADVICE ON HOW TO CRAFT MY DESIRE FOR THE ADMINISTRATION TO.
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YOU KNOW, REALLY GO THROUGH IT LINE BY LINE AND BE ABLE TO BRING THAT BACK TO US.I THINK THAT THERE DOES NEED TO BE SOME KIND OF PROCESS BECAUSE I'M NOT EXPECTING OUR SHAC VOLUNTEERS TO BE LEGAL EXPERTS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE CHECKING EVERY BOX. SO I THINK IT WOULD BE A VERY HANDY TOOL FOR US TO DEVELOP TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE IN COMPLIANCE, THAT WE CAN GIVE TO OUR SHAC VOLUNTEERS, THAT WHEN THEY ARE MAKING THEIR REVIEWS AND THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS, THEY KNOW THAT THEY HAVE ALSO CHECKED ALL THE BOXES ALONG WITH US AS WELL.
SO I'M I THINK THAT THAT'S A REALLY PROACTIVE AND TRANSPARENT WAY OF THIS IS WHAT OUR EXPECTATIONS ARE WHEN WE ASK THE CHECK TO REVIEW CURRICULUM FOR US. I THINK THAT THAT COULD BE A MOTION THAT COMES AT THE END THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY TIED TO ONE OF THESE REQUESTED REMEDIES.
IF YOU WANT SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
JOHNSON, DID I JUST COPY WHAT YOU WERE OR DID I SAY WHAT YOU WERE ABOUT TO SAY? ACTUALLY, NO, BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO SAY WE'RE GETTING INTO THE HOW IF THE ADMINISTRATION, UNLESS WE'RE DOING A REPORT OR ASKING THEM TO SAY, HEY, SHOW US WHERE YOU THERE SOMETHING WENT WRONG OR SOMETHING WAS AN ISSUE, WE'RE GETTING A LOT INTO THE HOW AND THEY ARE THE HOW.
I THINK THE FINE LINE HERE, THOUGH, IS THAT THIS IS.
IT'S HOW WE NEED IT TO DO OUR GOVERNANCE.
I MEAN, WE HAVE TO ASK FOR STUFF.
WE HAVE BOARD UPDATES EVERY WEEK.
SOMEHOW THE BOARD HAS TO BE ASSURED THAT IT'S 100%.
SO IT'S NOT. IT'S JUST A CHECKLIST, A HIGH LEVEL CHECKLIST.
HOW THEY DO IT IS ALL UP TO THEM.
BUT WE JUST NEED A COMPLIANCE CHECKLIST OR COMPLIANCE.
I DON'T EVEN WANT TO CALL IT A CHECKLIST, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT.
BUT WE NEED SOMETHING TO KNOW THAT WE'RE 100%.
IF YOU WERE SAYING, HEY, I WANT YOU TO GIVE ME A REPORT THAT YOU ARE IN COMPLIANCE, THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS, RIGHT? SO MAYBE THAT'S WHAT WE CALL IT.
BECAUSE HE'S YOUR EMPLOYEE, THAT HE CAN BE DIRECTED TO WORK WITH STAFF TO GET THAT FOR THE BOARD.
AND ISN'T THAT WHAT WE GET WHEN WE GET THE SHAC PRESENTATION? ARE WE ASKING FOR THAT TO BE INCLUDED WITHIN THE SHAC PRESENTATION? I TRULY FEEL LIKE WE'RE GETTING INTO THE MICROMANAGEMENT HERE.
SO FOR US TO BE TELLING THEM HOW WHEN IT'S NEW AS WELL, LIKE WE KNOW WE CAN LOOK UP THE STATUTE, WE CAN LOOK UP 28.004 AND WE CAN COMPARE WHY ARE WE DIRECTING STAFF TO DO THAT? AND IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO MOTION, LET'S MOTION AND VOTE AND MOVE FORWARD.
I'M JUST NOT IN SUPPORT OF DIRECTING STAFF ON HOW.
ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND TO DENY NUMBER THREE ALL IN FAVOR OF.
I'M CALLING IT A COMPLIANCE DEMONSTRATION.
TO WHAT? WILL I HAVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY? I THINK NUMBER EIGHT.
OKAY. OKAY. I THINK AT THE END.
OKAY. THANK YOU. SO, I'M SORRY, CAN YOU PLEASE HAVE THE PARTIES REPEAT THE MOTION? MOTION IS TO. I REQUESTED REMEDY NUMBER THREE.
ALL IN FAVOR OF RAISE YOUR HAND.
ALL OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES FOR TWO.
AGAIN, THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO NUMBER THREE.
SO THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO.
AND WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE TURNING OUR EYE TOWARDS STUDENT OUTCOMES.
AND I'M NOT SAYING WE CAN'T DO BOTH, BUT THAT IS WHAT THEY'RE CHARGED TO DO.
THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE GETTING PAID TO DO, IS TO DO THEIR JOBS AND COMPLY WITH THE LAW.
SO IT JUST FEELS DUPLICITOUS TO ME TO SAY THIS IS CLEARLY THE LAW.
IMPLEMENT PROCESSES TO FOLLOW THE LAW.
IT'S JUST THE EXPECTATION THAT STAFF FOLLOWS THE LAW.
I THINK HERE I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT Y'ALL.
I'M JUST TRYING TO DO A PROCESS FOR ROBERT'S RULES AND EFFICIENCY HERE.
THANK YOU. I MOVE TO DENY REMEDY FOR.
I'LL SECOND I HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND TO DENY A REQUESTED REMEDY NUMBER FOR ANY OTHER COMMENTS.
MY ONLY CONCERN, AND ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE TALKING USING THE WORD DUPLICITOUS.
MY CONCERN IS THAT GIVEN THE NEWNESS OF THE STATUTE.
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SO AS FAR AS PROTECTING THE DISTRICT AND AND THE ONEROUS NESS OF NATURE OF THE LEGISLATION, IT'S YOU KNOW, I WOULDN'T WANT TO DO THIS FOR EVERY LAW IN THE CODE.BUT GIVEN THOSE TRAITS, THAT'S MY CONCERN.
AND IT'S ACTUALLY WHAT DR. VALDEZ IS SETTING DOWN THERE IS THAT WE ARE OVERSIGHT.
I MEAN, ALL THE WAY FROM OUR SPED STUDENTS TO OUR SEX HEALTH.
SO ACTUALLY IT IS THE BURDEN OF THE DISTRICT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE IN 100% COMPLIANCE.
AND THIS IS NEW. AND THAT'S WHY EVEN THIS ONE, I'M I'M FOR SETTING UP A PROCESS TO ENSURE BECAUSE LAST YEAR THIS THESE TYPE OF TOPICS WERE IN OUR SQL.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T HAVE THIS STUFF IN OUR CELL.
IT HAD TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
SO IF IT SHOWS UP IN OUR CELL, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO GET THE DISTRICT BACK IN COURT LIKE THESE.
OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND TO DENY REQUESTED REMEDY NUMBER FOUR.
ALL IN FAVOR. RAISE YOUR HAND.
CARL OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES FOUR TO NUMBER FIVE ESTABLISH EMPLOYEE AND CHECK MEMBER TRAINING ON APPLICABLE LAWS INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO TWO C 28.004 TJC THC 115 PR P R A AND FOR IPA.
I FEEL LIKE WE GOT GOOD CLARITY ON THAT ABOUT WHY THAT'S NOT LEGALLY POSSIBLE.
SO I MOVED TO DENY PROPOSED REMEDY FIVE SECOND.
GO AHEAD. CAN I GET CLEAR TO YOU? BECAUSE I WAS JUST TALKING TO OUR SCHOOL POLICE CHIEF EARLIER TODAY.
ARE YOU TELLING US, MADAM COUNCIL, THAT WE CANNOT REQUIRE SHAC MEMBERS TO DO ANY OF THESE TRAININGS MENTIONED? I DON'T THINK I OPINED ON THAT ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, AND I HAVEN'T BEEN ASKED THAT QUESTION SPECIFICALLY.
THAT'S WHY I'M DOING IT. OKAY.
SO I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TRAINING THEY GET, IF ANY.
I WOULD PROBABLY DEFER TO YOU TO SEE.
DO YOU KNOW, I JUST WANTED TO KNOW IF THEY HAD ANY TRAINING.
SHE SHE ALREADY ANSWERED AND AND I, I MUST HAVE MISSED WHAT KIND OF TRAINING.
SO IT WAS TAKING THE SAFETY AND SECURITY.
COMMITTEE HAS TO TAKE TOMA PER STATE LAW.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.
THEY'RE NOT OUR STAFF. THEY'RE NOT OUR STAFF MEMBERS.
AND I THINK JUST WITH THE BROAD STATEMENT OF TJC, I MEAN, I KNOW I UNDERSTAND THAT WOULD BE MEAN.
TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, IS THAT RIGHT? MR. SIMMONS? I'M SURE THAT WE CAN'T ASK HER.
ALL RIGHT. WELL, THE T G C I'M SURE MEANS IT'S JUST SO BROAD.
IT DOESN'T SAY A PREMIUM FOR OTHER RELATED TO FERPA.
BUT WE CAN HAVE WE CAN WE CAN MANDATE THAT EMPLOYEES AND THIS NUMBER.
NUMBER FIVE MENTIONS EMPLOYEES AND SHAC MEMBERS.
YEAH, WE HAVE A WE HAVE A LOT OF EMPLOYEES.
YOU KNOW HOW MANY? I DON'T KNOW.
BUT THE EMPLOYEES THAT ARE ON THE COMMITTEE, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY SEVEN OR EIGHT.
OKAY. SO YOU'RE YOU'RE MEANING JUST THE EMPLOYEE ON THE COMMITTEE, RIGHT.
VERSUS THE ENTIRE EMPLOYMENT, WHICH IS WHAT THIS NUMBER FIVE SAYS.
YEAH. JUST IT JUST SAYS ESTABLISH EMPLOYEE AND CHECK MEMBER TRAININGS.
IT DOESN'T IT DOESN'T SAY WHICH EMPLOYEES.
SO I'M JUST SAYING SOME OF THAT'S A LITTLE BROAD.
IT DOESN'T SAY WHAT PROVISIONS ARE THE GOVERNMENT CODE.
TAC 115 PPR AM FOR I KNOW WHAT PPR AND FOR THE RELATED, BUT I MEAN IT JUST IT WOULD BE UP TO YOU ALL IF YOU WANT TO SAY THAT YOU WANT THE SHAC EMPLOYEES OR EMPLOYEES ON THE SHAC OR THAT WORK WITH THE SHAC TO BE TRAINED ON CERTAIN PROVISIONS.
I MEAN, I WOULD THINK CAN I POINT OUT THAT IT'S NOT MANDATED HERE? I KNOW THAT'S. SOMEBODY WE ALL KEEP ASSUMING, BUT JUST AS ESTABLISH TRAINING, IT DOESN'T SAY MANDATE.
YOU KNOW, WHEN I GET ON COMMITTEES, I'M THAT PERSON THAT'S LIKE, GIVE ME ALL THE DOCUMENTS.
I CAN'T EVEN FATHOM DOING THAT WITHOUT ANY TRAINING.
I'M NOT EVEN ON THE SHAC COMMITTEE.
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I'M AN ELECTED BOARD MEMBER AND I GO TO SHAC TRAINING AT CONFERENCES EVERY YEAR.SO HOW DO I CAPTURE MY DESIRE TO PUT UP FOR A VOTE THAT EMPLOYEES WILL JUST SAY HAVE TRAINING MADE AVAILABLE TO THEM, AT LEAST ON 28.004? I THINK THAT WOULD BE YOUR MOTION.
SO A SEPARATE MOTION FROM WHAT THEY'VE PUT FORWARD IN NUMBER FIVE OR.
YEAH, YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW TO DENY.
SO I HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND TO DENY NUMBER FIVE.
ALL IN FAVOR. RAISE YOUR HAND.
ALL OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES FOR TWO.
SO. SO CAN I MAKE MY MOTION NOW? YES. SO I MOVED TO MAKE TRAINING AVAILABLE TO SHAC EMPLOYEES AND VOLUNTEER MEMBERS AGAIN. MAKE IT AVAILABLE FOR TEXAS EDUCATION CODE 28.004.
REALLY? THAT'S IT. CAN I ASK YOU TO RESTATE THAT TO EMPLOYEES SERVING ON THE SHAC? BECAUSE YOU SAID SHAC EMPLOYEES AND.
I'LL WITHDRAW WHAT I JUST SAID.
SO I MOVED TO MAKE TRAINING AVAILABLE TO EMPLOYEES SERVING ON THE SHAC AND VOLUNTEER MEMBERS SERVING ON THE SHAC FOR TO RECEIVE.
TO HAVE TRAINING MADE AVAILABLE TO THEM.
REGARDING THE TEXAS EDUCATION CODE.
MY ONLY QUESTION BEFORE VOTING ON THAT IS DOES THAT TRAINING EXIST OR ARE WE ASKING OUR EMPLOYEES TO CREATE A TRAINING? LIKE, I WOULD WANT TO KNOW WHAT KIND OF TRAINING ARE WE REQUIRING OR ARE WE MAKING AVAILABLE AND DOES SOMETHING EVEN EXIST? SO I WOULD BE RELUCTANT TO GET INTO THE HOW, BUT BASED ON JUST MY LIMITED EXPERIENCE, TWO YEARS ON THE BOARD AND GOING TO SHAC TRAININGS WITH TSB, MY GUESS IS THAT THERE ARE STUFF ALREADY OUT THERE THAT THEY COULD LEAN ON.
VALERIE DO YOU KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION HAVING TO DO WITH LAWS? DO YOU KNOW IF THERE'S I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING SPECIFICALLY ON THE 28.04, I WOULD THINK THAT THE SHAC WOULD GET THAT INFORMATION.
IF YOU SERVE ON THE SHAC AND YOU'RE CREATING THIS CURRICULUM, I WOULD THINK THEY GET THAT.
AND THE EMPLOYEES? I DON'T KNOW.
I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO VOTE, BUT I THINK WE'VE ALL SERVED ON CITIZEN COMMITTEES BEFORE.
IT STILL FEELS LIKE EVEN SAYING THIS IS PROVIDING THE HOW.
YOU DON'T COME ON TO A COMMITTEE WITHOUT SOME DIRECTION OF WHAT IT MEANS TO SERVE ON THAT COMMITTEE.
AND FOR ME, IT'S A NO BECAUSE THAT'S DIRECTING THE STAFF ON HOW TO DO THIS.
I AM NOT COMFORTABLE WITH DIRECTING STAFF ON THE HOW I CAN RESPECT THAT.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT ALL THE MOTION IS IS TO MAKE IT AVAILABLE, NOT A REQUIREMENT TO SERVE? ABSOLUTELY. BUT IF THAT'S CREATING ANOTHER THING FOR THEM TO DO, I MEAN, I TRULY BELIEVE THAT THEY MAKE THE TRAINING AVAILABLE BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T SERVE ON THE SHAC IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO COMPLY OR WHAT THE INFORMATION WAS.
SO I HAVE A STRONG FAITH AND BELIEF THAT THE STAFF PROVIDES THE TRAINING.
I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE PERSONALLY SAYING CREATE TRAINING AND DIRECTING STAFF.
I THINK THAT SETS A BAD PRECEDENT.
WELL, I'LL SAY AS SOMEBODY YOU'VE APPOINTED PEOPLE TO THE SHAC.
I'VE APPOINTED PEOPLE TO THE SHAC.
AND I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO PUT 20 8004 IN IN FRONT OF THESE NEW MEMBERS.
SOME SORT OF TRAINING OR EXPLANATION AS A STARTING POINT, I ACTUALLY THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
I MEAN, MAKING IT AVAILABLE IS NOT I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THAT.
EITHER YOU HAVE THE TIME TO DO IT OR YOU DON'T LATER.
THAT'S MY CONCERN, AND I WOULD ALMOST PERHAPS SUGGEST POSTPONING THIS MOTION OR REQUESTING SOME FEEDBACK AND WE CAN READDRESS JUST THAT SPECIFIC ISSUE.
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IF NOT, I MEAN, I LIKE THE IDEA.I REALLY WILL. I WOULD VOTE FOR IT IF I KNEW THE TRAINING EXISTED.
BUT I DON'T I'M NOT COMFORTABLE APPROVING REQUIRING A TRAINING IF I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT IT EXISTS.
THAT'S THAT'S NOT UNREASONABLE IN THE MEANTIME.
SO I'LL WITHDRAW MY MOTION AND I'LL I'LL.
SO CAN YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THAT? BECAUSE I HAVE A NEW MOTION, I'LL WITHDRAW MY SECOND.
SO MY NEW MOTION IS TO PROVIDE A COPY OF 28 POINT.
MAKE A COPY AVAILABLE OF 28.00 FOR TO ALL SHAC MEMBERS, EMPLOYEES AND VOLUNTEERS.
EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY, JUST MAKE IT AVAILABLE TO THEM AND ASK THE ADMINISTRATION TO EXPLORE EXISTING TRAINING ON 28.004 AND COME BACK TO THE BOARD WITH WITH DETAILS ON THAT AND GET BEHIND THAT. I'LL SECOND THAT WITH A MOTION IN A SECOND, AND I'M GOING TO LET THAT BE CAPTURED ON THE VIDEO BECAUSE THAT WAS A REALLY LONG MOTION.
MOTION. AND SECOND, ALL IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR HAND.
ALL OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES FOR TWO.
AND I BELIEVE WE WERE ADVISED THAT THIS ALREADY EXIST.
SO I MOVE TO DENY REQUESTED REMEDY.
ANY COMMENTS? SEE NONE. ALL IN FAVOR.
I BELIEVE WE RECEIVED FEEDBACK THAT THAT IS NOT BEING PURCHASED.
SO THEN DO WE EVEN NEED A MOTION? WE CAN JUST TAKE NO ACTION.
WE CAN TAKE NO ACTION IF THERE'S NO MOTIONS THAT COME FROM IT.
UPDATE THE SHAC WEBSITE WITH DETAILED DOCUMENTATION REGARDING COMPLIANCE TO TECH 28.004.
WHAT JUST PASSED SAYING TO PROVIDE SHAC MEMBERS WITH A COPY OF THAT STATUTE.
DO YOU ALL FEEL LIKE THAT MEETS THAT? NO, I WOULD MOVE.
SO I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION.
I'M TRYING TO READ THIS RIGHT SO THAT IT'S NOT DIRECTING THEM ON THE HOW.
SO I MOVE THAT THE ADMIN THE ADMINISTRATION DEVELOPS.
DETAILED DOCUMENTATION REGARDING COMPLIANCE TO TECH.
28.004. IS THAT CHANGING THOUGH THE REQUESTED REMEDY IT IS.
SO I GRANT IN PART, DO I NEED TO DRAW AGAIN? WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IS YOU VOTE JUST ON WHAT IT SAYS AND THEN MAKE A SEPARATE MOTION ACCORDING TO WHAT TRUSTEE WESTON DID.
SORRY. SO I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE VOTE SPECIFICALLY IF LIKE IF YOU'RE ASKING TO DO SOMETHING VERY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT SHE'S REQUESTED, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE VOTE SPECIFICALLY ON NUMBER EIGHT.
AND BUT LIKE THAT I WOULD LIKE THE WEBSITE UPDATED LIKE ONCE THEY HAVE THAT.
BUT SO THERE IS KIND OF LIKE A TWO PART.
BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE WE DON'T HAVE A DETAILED WAY TO DO IT.
OR PERHAPS WE CAN JUST TAKE NO MOTION, NO, WE CAN TAKE NO ACTION, AND THEN YOU CAN MAKE YOUR MOTION.
BUT SHE HAS A WE HAVE AN OUTSTANDING MOTION AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NUMBER EIGHT.
SO WE HAVE TO EITHER COME BACK TO IT.
THAT'S ON THE TABLE NOW, AND WE COME BACK TO THE REQUESTED REMEDY OR WHATEVER.
BUT WE HAVE NOT ADDRESSED NUMBER EIGHT YET.
SO, DR. BOWEN, THE ONLY THING ABOUT YOUR MOTION IS I'D LIKE TO ADD AT THE END SOME SORT OF DATE TO COME BACK TO THE BOARD WITH THE RESULTS OF RUNNING THIS TOOL. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO YOUR MOTION IS TO CREATE A TOOL, BUT THEN THERE'S NO WRAP AROUND.
BOWEN'S MOTION DIDN'T GET A SECOND RIGHT AND I WITHDRAW IT.
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OKAY, SO SHE WITHDRAW IT, WITHDREW IT, WITHDRAW IT.OKAY. SO I MOVE TO HAVE THE ADMINISTRATION DEVELOP A COMPLIANCE DEMONSTRATION TOOL OF THEIR OWN CREATION OR CHOOSING AT THEIR DISCRETION FOR TO DEMONSTRATE COMPLIANCE WITH TEXAS EDUCATION CODE 28.004 AND PRESENT THE FINDINGS OF THE TOOL TO THE BOARD BY JUNE 1ST.
OF 2023 AND ALSO TO POST THE FINDING THE TOOL AND AND ITS FINDINGS AND EXPLANATION OF COMPLIANCE WITH 28.004 ON THE DISTRICT WEBSITE.
WOW. THAT WAS A LOT. CAN YOU REREAD THAT? SO I'M WONDERING IF THIS WOULD BE A GOOD TIME, BECAUSE FOR ME, THIS RIGHT HERE IS THE MEAT OF AND THE MOST MEANINGFUL THING TO COME OUT OF TONIGHT. SO I'M WONDERING IF WE COULD RECESS AND IF I COULD WORK WITH OUR COUNCIL TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT SHE'S SHE'S AGREEABLE TO THAT IS COMPREHENSIVE IN NATURE AS FAR AS WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR.
AND IF I HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS WITH HER AND THEN COME BACK.
SO I'M DEFINITELY AMENABLE TO THAT SUGGESTION.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE HAVE TO SATISFY YOUR MOTION TO CHECK OFF NUMBER EIGHT.
AND SO IF WE GO THROUGH THEM, WE HAVE KIND OF CLEARLY ADDRESS THE TEN REQUESTED REMEDIES.
ARE YOU AMENABLE? I'M COMPLETELY AMENABLE TO THAT.
SO I'LL WITHDRAW MY MOTION FOR NOW.
OKAY. THANK YOU. SO NOW WE'RE BACK TO STILL THE EIGHT THAT HAS BEEN REQUESTED.
HEARING NO MOTION, THEN WE WILL.
WE HAVE SATISFIED THE OBLIGATION TO STOP LOOKING LIKE LISTEN.
DOES THE BOARD DETERMINE THE BYLAWS? THAT DOES. I DON'T THINK WE DO.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE FIRST PART OF THAT, THAT THEY HAVE SHAC BY BYLAWS, JUST LIKE THE CPC, CPC, AOC, AND I ACTUALLY USE THE SHAC BYLAWS AND THEY'RE A BOARD COMMITTEE.
SO THE CPC, AOC, WE ACTUALLY AMEND THEIR BYLAWS AND THEN WE ALSO AMEND THE SHAC BYLAWS.
EVERY DISTRICT HAS DIFFERENT BYLAWS FOR THE SHAC.
I'VE LOOKED AT MULTIPLE DISTRICTS, SO IT'S REALLY JUST UPDATING THEM TO REFLECT 28.004.
SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
NO, NO. THE QUESTION I HAVE IS, DOES THIS BODY DETERMINE THE SHAC BYLAWS? YES. YEAH, VALARIE CAN ANSWER THAT.
I THINK THAT THAT WAS HIS QUESTION.
DOES HE ADMINISTRATION DO THAT OR DOES THE SHAC ITSELF.
YEAH. OR DOES THE BOARD DO IT? I HAVE TO CHECK THE STATUTE TO SEE WHO'S SUPPOSED TO CREATE THE BYLAWS.
I DON'T KNOW THAT ANSWER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
ARE THE BYLAWS ON THE WEBSITE.
I THINK IT SAYS ACTUALLY IN THE BYLAWS THEMSELVES.
AS LONG AS YOU'RE NOT REFERENCING THEM FOR DECISION MAKING PURPOSES.
IF YOU'RE JUST LOOKING AT THEM TO SEE WHO'S WHO CREATED THEM, I THINK THAT THAT'S FINE.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? BECAUSE WE CAN'T REFERENCE ANY MATERIALS THAT WEREN'T PRESENTED TO US IN THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS.
RIGHT. AND SO THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T LOOK AT THEM.
BUT IT HAS COME TO MY ATTENTION SOME CONCERNS ABOUT IT'S THEIR LACK OF WRITTEN AUTHORITY, PURPOSE AND DUTIES REQUIRED BY LAW IN THE PAST, WHICH IS WHY I WOULD LIKE TO AFFIRM THIS NUMBER NINE TO INCLUDE THOSE, BECAUSE I BELIEVE OTHER SCHOOL DISTRICTS, THEIR BYLAWS ARE MORE CLEAR ON THOSE THINGS.
WOULD THIS BE A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM REQUEST TO COMPARE AND CONTRAST OUR SHAC BYLAWS? LIKE IF. WELL, I THINK I THINK SOME THINGS LIKE AREN'T EVEN CLEAR ABOUT THE OPERATIONS OF OUR SHAC BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT ARE MANDATED BY THE STATE, I BELIEVE, AND I DID NOT LOOK AT IT PRIOR TO COMING HERE.
SO PLEASE DON'T HOLD ME TO THIS.
BUT I BELIEVE THE STATUTE SAYS HAS TO BE AT LEAST FIVE MEMBERS.
BUT SOME SCHOOL DISTRICTS HAVE TEN, SOME HAVE 20, SOME HAVE EIGHT.
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AND I THINK THAT OURS FROM MEMORY JUST LACKS SOME OF THAT.YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHY WE'RE THERE'S SOME LACK OF EXPLANATION IN THE BYLAWS TO, YOU KNOW, OBSERVERS TO TRY TO MAKE SENSE OF WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE. SOME OF THAT.
OH, SORRY. IT'S JUST A QUICK SEARCH.
THERE'S AN ENTIRE GUIDEBOOK ON SHACS AND BYLAWS ARE DETERMINED BY THE MEMBERSHIP, NOT BY THIS BODY.
I THINK BY TWO THIRDS, AT LEAST ONE DISTRICT DOES IT THAT WAY.
DO WE HAVE A LOCAL POLICY THEN? IS THAT WHERE THE BOARD GETS TO WEIGH IN ON? I LOOKED AT YOUR POLICY FOR THE SHAC, AND I MEAN, I ONLY SAW LEGAL.
I'M NOT SURE THAT THERE'S A LOCAL ONE.
I DON'T THINK I THINK WE JUST HAVE THE LEGAL.
BUT I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY I DON'T EVEN HAVE MY IPAD, BUT AND MOST OF IT IS ON PAGE HONESTLY.
IT LITERALLY IS IN THIS CODE THAT WE HAVE AND.
I MEAN, THAT SEEMS ILL ADVISED FOR US.
I MEAN, WHO'S DOING IT? WHO'S WHAT ARE THEY AMENDING? WHAT ARE THEY. WHICH LAW? I MEAN, THERE'S SO MUCH IN THAT STATEMENT THAT IS SO VAGUE THAT IT SEEMS INAPPROPRIATE JUST TO VOTE UP OR DOWN ON THAT WHEN I THINK A GROUP OF TRUSTEES SHOULD SIT DOWN, IF THAT'S A CONCERN, LIKE ON THE BOARD OPERATING PROCEDURES AND WORK THROUGH IT THAT WAY.
IT'S MORE OF THEN IF WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE IT THOUGH, THAT'S A WHOLE SEPARATE RIGHT IT IS.
CAN I GET CLARITY? SO, KEVIN, IS DR.
JOHNSON IS CONFIRMING THAT THE SHAC MEMBERS ESTABLISH THEIR BYLAWS? THAT'S CORRECT. AND THERE'S AN ENTIRE GUIDEBOOK, SCHOOL HEALTH ADVISORY COUNCIL, A GUIDE FOR TEXAS SCHOOL DISTRICTS.
THERE'S AN ENTIRE GUIDE ON SHAC AS ON THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES WEBSITE.
AND IT SAYS SPECIFICALLY THAT THE BYLAWS ARE DETERMINED BY MEMBERS.
SO DOES THAT MEAN THAT THE FACT THAT OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT HAS 21 MEMBERS AND A NEIGHBORING SCHOOL DISTRICT HAS FIVE? ARE YOU SAYING THAT THAT MEANS THAT WAS DECIDED BY THE THOSE MEMBER, THOSE VOLUNTEER MEMBERS? IS THAT REALLY WHAT HAPPENED HERE? I'M NOT SURE THAT WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO ANSWER THESE KIND OF QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW WITH ESPECIALLY WITHOUT OUR LOCAL DISTRICT AUTHORITY WHO HELPS AND SERVES ON THIS COMMITTEE.
SO I CAN I LET ME JUST SAY HOLD ON.
I THINK THAT MAYBE PERHAPS THE BEST THING MOVING FORWARD IS TO MAKE THIS AN AGENDA REQUEST FOR US TO GET A LITTLE CLARITY MOVING FORWARD, BECAUSE I THINK ANY DECISIONS RIGHT NOW, WE ALL AGREE THAT WE HAVE NOT READ THE SHAC BYLAWS COMING INTO THIS MEETING AND MAKING ANY KIND OF RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT CHANGING BYLAWS OF A COMMITTEE WOULD BE VERY RECKLESS AT THIS POINT, IN MY OPINION.
BUT THEN WE GET INTO TOPICS THAT WILL NOW BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T REVIEWED THEM.
SO THERE'S THERE'S I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE WORD IS THERE, BUT SCOPE CREEP PERHAPS.
SO I'M FINE WITH WITHDRAWING MY MOTION THAT I OFFERED ON NUMBER NINE WITH REGARD TO THE SHAC BYLAWS.
AND I THINK THAT IT IS GOOD DUE DILIGENCE TO REVIEW THEM.
I DON'T RECALL US HAVING REVIEWED THE SHARK BYLAWS SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THIS ON THIS BOARD.
WELL, IF WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO, THEN YEAH, AND JUST SAY IT'S NOT OUR BUSINESS TO REVIEW THEM AS SO I THINK IT'S PROBABLY GOOD DUE DILIGENCE TO AT LEAST FOR US TO READ THROUGH THEM, UNDERSTAND THE PROCEDURES, AND EVEN PERHAPS WE CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO SHAC.
WE AUTHORIZE THAT COMMITTEE, RIGHT? IT'S A BOARD COMMITTEE.
I MEAN, IT'S ESTABLISHED BY THE STATE, BUT THEY REPORT TO US, RIGHT.
SO CAN WE GIVE THEM FEEDBACK OF.
WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE DUE DILIGENCE IS BEING DONE AND THAT OBVIOUSLY I'M NOT SURE LIKE I DON'T WANT TO MAKE ANY DECISIONS VERY HARD ON THIS PARTICULAR COMMITTEE BECAUSE SO MUCH IS IN STATUTE FOR WHAT THEY CAN DO AND WHAT THEY CAN'T DO AND WE DON'T HAVE.
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I THINK AS LONG AS WE JUST CONFIRM IF THE LAW ALLOWS THE BOARD TO TO BE PROVIDED WITH THAT BEFORE IT'S ACTUALLY REVISED OR MENDED, I THINK THE BOARD CAN GO AHEAD AND DO THAT.ANY REVISIONS OR AMENDMENTS COMING FORWARD.
I THINK THIS ONE FEELS LIKE A NO ACTION.
YEAH. I WAS READY TO MOVE ON TO TEN BECAUSE I WANT TO BRING SOMETHING UP.
OR IF IT'S IN STATUTE THAT WE WERE, WE COMPLY WITH THAT.
IT'S JUST THAT Y'ALL DID SUCH A BEAUTIFUL JOB AND WE SPENT SO MUCH TIME.
SAYING IT'S A FOREGONE CONCLUSION THAT WE COMPLY WITH THE TECH.
YEAH, WE ALREADY HAVE POLICY THAT SAYS THAT WE WILL APPLY WITH ALL COMPLY WITH ALL STATE LAW.
SO JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, I DIDN'T HAVE ANY MOTIONS AS IT REQUIRED A NUMBER REGARDING NUMBER NINE.
NOW, DO I HAVE ANY MOTIONS REGARDING NUMBER TEN? OK HEARING NONE.
I HAVE NOT FORGOTTEN THE RECESS.
SO WE HAVE GONE THROUGH THIS AND WE HAVE GRANTED IN PART AND DENIED IN PART.
TO SOME DEGREE AND REVIEWED ALL OF THE REQUESTED REMEDIES.
I WOULD RECOMMEND IT IS 758 WE TAKE A 12 MINUTE RECESS, COME BACK AT 810 IF THERE'S AT ENOUGH TIME TRUSTEE WESTON OR WOULD YOU LIKE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME? NO, THAT'S THAT'S FINE.
WELL, MAYBE 15 MINUTES JUST IN CASE.
OKAY, LET'S COME BACK AT 815 AND WE'LL COME BACK AT 8:15.
SO WE'LL TAKE A 15 MINUTE RECESS.
DO I HAVE ANY MOTIONS COMING OUT OF OUR RECESS? YES, MADAM PRESIDENT. I HAVE A MOTION THAT I WORKED WITH OUR BOARD COUNSEL ON.
I'M GOING TO READ THE COPY, AND THEN I'VE PROVIDED YOU A COPY OF IT AS WELL.
I MOVE THAT THE SUPERINTENDENT DIRECT THE ADMINISTRATION TO DEVELOP A RUBRIC TO DEMONSTRATE COMPLIANCE WITH TEXAS EDUCATION CODE 28.004 AND PRESENT THE RUBRIC AND FINDINGS TO THE BOARD ON OR BEFORE APRIL 1ST, 2023, AND POST ON THE DISTRICT CHECK WEBSITE BY MAY 1ST OF 2023.
SECOND, SO I DID ASK FOR A LITTLE BIT OF CLARIFICATION FROM TRUSTEE WESTON AND THAT'S WHY WE WERE A COUPLE OF MINUTES LATE, A COUPLE OF MINUTES LATE COMING BACK BECAUSE THE SPECIFIC QUESTION I HAD WAS HERE, PRESENT THE RUBRIC AND FINDINGS TO THE BOARD.
AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT PART OF 28.004 HAS POSSIBLY SOME STEPS ALONG THE WAY THAT SAYS WE NEED TO HAVE A PUBLIC MEETING OR AND SO THE FINDINGS WOULD BE WHERE WE ARE AS OF APRIL 1ST AND NOT GOING BACK AND COMPARING THAT TO THE PROCESS WE JUST WENT THROUGH.
BUT TO COMPARE IT TO WHERE WE ARE AT THIS MOMENT AND THEN AS WE PROGRESS THROUGH, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GOING TO BE RECOMMENDING SHAC TO RE EVALUATE ADDITIONAL CURRICULUM IN THE IN THIS COMING SCHOOL YEAR OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
BUT ANYTHING THAT MAY APPLY TO 28.004 THAT WE UPDATE THOSE THE FINDINGS OF AS WE PROCESS THROUGH THAT, NOT TO GO BACK IN RETROSPECT AND LOOKED AT IT, BUT LOOK AT IT AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
IS THAT CORRECT? SUMMARY? WELL, I'LL JUST SAY AND DR.
AZAIEZ, I WOULD WELCOME ANY QUESTIONS, CLARIFYING QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.
BUT IN THE TRAINING THAT I'VE BEEN TO WITH TAS BE ON THE SHAC AND ON THE NEW LEGISLATION, IT'S BEEN EXPLAINED TO US THAT THIS NEW ONEROUS LEGISLATION IS BASICALLY A LIST OF REQUIREMENTS.
IT'S JUST IT'S A LIST OF THOU SHELLS.
SO THIS GRIEVANT BROUGHT HER OWN VERSION.
REMEMBER, IN HERE SHE HAS HER OWN VERSION OF GETTING THOSE DOWN ON PAPER.
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I'LL CALL THAT HER RUBRIC.I'M NOT GOING TO I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD TELL YOU WHAT RUBRIC TO USE OR WHAT IT SHOULD LOOK LIKE.
BUT THIS MOTION IS FOR YOU TO HAVE YOUR STAFF CREATE SOMETHING OR OBTAIN SOMETHING, OR GET YOUR HANDS ON SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, PUTS ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS DOWN.
YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S IN THE STATUTE, IT SAYS THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE A DETAILED DESCRIPTION OF THE CONTENT OF THE DISTRICT'S HUMAN SEXUALITY INSTRUCTION IN GENERAL SCHEDULE.
WELL, MAYBE IT WOULD SAY, YEAH, GO TO THE HANDBOOK ON THIS PAGE.
THERE IT IS. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO YOU JUST GO THROUGH THE REQUIREMENTS AND THEN YOU EITHER SAY THE DATE, IF IT'S A DATE THAT IT'S ASKING FOR, OR A LOCATION WHERE SOMEBODY COULD FIND THAT INFORMATION, JUST PUT THAT LOCATION. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? NO, IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.
I THINK WE CAN WE CAN EITHER USE OR, IF YOU DON'T MIND, OR MAYBE TWEAK OR DEVELOP OR EVEN LIKE FIND OUT IF OTHER ORGANIZATION OR OTHER SCHOOL DISTRICTS HAVE SOMETHING SIMILAR. BUT I JUST LIKE CLARIFICATION IS MOVING FORWARD OR YOU WANT US TO GO OVER FOR.
LOOKING FORWARD AND ANY OTHER THING.
I WILL TELL YOU, ONE REASON I'M GOING TO VOTE FOR THIS TRUSTEES IS BECAUSE THIS LAW SPECIFICALLY SAYS THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES SHALL THERE'S A LOT OF LAWS THAT GOVERN OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT THAT WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY INVOLVEMENT IN.
BUT WHEN THERE IS CODE THAT SAYS I SHALL DO SOMETHING FROM THIS DAIS, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CHECKING THOSE BOXES APPROPRIATELY AND THAT I CAN BE I CAN SAY WITH FULL CONFIDENCE THAT, YES, I COMPLIED WITH THE LAWS SURROUNDING MY POSITION RIGHT HERE.
SO I HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND.
I JUST WANT TO ALSO ADD THAT I READ INTO THIS MOTION, DR.
HAVE THIS TO THE BOARD BY APRIL 1ST OF 2023.
AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU HEARD THAT.
SHOULD IT PASS, THAT THIS WOULD BE ADDED TO THE SHAC WEBSITE A MONTH LATER BY MAY 1ST.
THANK YOU, SIR. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OKAY. SEEING NONE, I HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND.
I'M NOT GOING TO REREAD IT UNLESS SOMEBODY'S REQUESTING IT.
ALL IN FAVOR. RAISE YOUR HAND.
ALL OPPOSE MOTION CARRIES FOUR TWO.
CAN I MAKE ONE OTHER SUGGESTION? YES. AND AND THIS IS.
IT'S JUST A SUGGESTION THAT IF DR.
HOPEFULLY THEY DO THAT, THEY CAN DO THAT.
SO THIS ACTUALLY NOW CONCLUDES OUR GRIEVANCE.
THANK YOU, MS.. SIMMONS, FOR BRINGING THIS TO THE DISTRICT'S ATTENTION.
AND AT THIS POINT, OUR GRIEVANCE IS CONCLUDED.
[D. CLOSED SESSION]
PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, SECTION 551.071.IT IS 824 AND WE ARE IN CLOSED SESSION.
WE WILL BE MEETING IN THIS ROOM.
WE WILL NOT BE TAKING A RECESS.
TRUSTEES SINCE WE JUST DID THAT.
SO AS SOON AS THE RIM CLEARS, WE WILL GO STRAIGHT INTO CLOSED.
DO WE HAVE ANY MOTIONS COMING OUT OF CLOSED? ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE.
THERE IS NOTHING ELSE ON THE AGENDA.
IT IS 8:48 AND WE ARE ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.