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IT IS 539 ON THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 29, 2022.

I HEREBY CALL THE MEETING OF THE ROUND ROCK INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT BOARD OF TRUSTEES.

CALL BOARD MEETING TO ORDER.

I WOULD LIKE TO JUST MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT.

FOR THE RECORD, WE ARE STARTING A LITTLE LATE TODAY BECAUSE OF AN UNPRECEDENTED TRAFFIC.

AND SO WE HAD SOME ISSUES GETTING SOME PEOPLE HERE.

WE DID EXTEND GRACE AND EXTENDED PUBLIC COMMENT TIME UNTIL THE MEETING ACTUALLY STARTED.

SO ANYBODY THAT HAS ARRIVED IN THE LAST 9 MINUTES WAS ALLOWED TO SIGN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

AND RIGHT NOW WE HAVE TRUSTEE JOHNSON, TRUSTEE WESTON TRUSTEE.

FELLER. TRUSTEE, HARRISON, TRUSTEE, WEIR AND TRUSTEE BONE TRUSTEE VESSA IS HERE AS WELL.

SO WE ARE ALL HERE, SO PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO BE TEXAS.

ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE.

BEFORE WE GET STARTED WITH PUBLIC COMMENT, I WOULD LIKE TO GO INTO CLOSED SESSION AND HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH OUR TRUSTEES.

SO IT IS 540.

[D. CLOSED SESSION (PART 1)]

WE ARE GOING TO ENTER INTO CLOSED SESSION.

I'LL ASK EVERYBODY TO LEAVE THE ROOM AND THEN WE WILL COME RIGHT BACK AND START UP WITH PUBLIC COMMENT.

AND IT'S GOING TO BE 4551.71 LEGAL ADVICE.

SO PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, SECTION 551.071, THE BOARD WILL DISCUSS DELIBERATING AND CONSIDER PUBLIC COMMENT.

SO IT IS 540 AND WE ARE IN CLOSED SESSION.

ALL RIGHT. IT IS 613 AND WE ARE BACK IN OPEN SESSION.

[C. PUBLIC COMMENTS TO AGENDA ITEMS ONLY]

WE ARE NOW TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT PORTION OF THE AGENDA.

AT EACH BOARD MEETING. THE BOARD WILL SET ASIDE TIME TO AFFORD THE GENERAL PUBLIC AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.

WE ASK THE CONCERNS OR COMPLAINTS REGARDING SPECIFIC INDIVIDUALS NOT BE RAISED IN THIS PUBLIC FORUM.

SPECIFIC COMMENTS, CONCERNS ABOUT EMPLOYEES OR FORMER EMPLOYEES SHOULD BE CONSIDERED SEPARATELY ACCORDING TO APPLICABLE BOARD POLICIES.

THE BOARD REQUESTS THAT COMMENTS, WHETHER POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE, BE COURTEOUS AND RESPECTFUL.

I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND THE AUDIENCE AND THE VIEWERS THAT THE COMMENTS OF THE SPEAKERS REFLECT THEIR OWN POSITIONS OR OPINIONS.

AS A SECOND REMINDER, THE BOARD ALSO ADOPTED AN ANTI-HATE RESOLUTION ON JANUARY 20TH, 2022, WHERE THE BOARD REAFFIRMED ITS COMMITMENT TO THE WELL-BEING AND SAFETY OF ALL PEOPLE, REGARDLESS OF RACE, COLOR, NATIONAL ORIGIN, RELIGION, SEX, GENDER IDENTITY, GENDER EXPRESSION, SEXUAL ORIENTATION, DISABILITY, AGE OR POLITICAL BELIEFS, AND STANDS AGAINST SPEECH THAT INCITES HATRED AND VIOLENCE TOWARDS ANY PERSON.

PLEASE NOTE THAT WHILE THE PUBLIC DOES HAVE THE RIGHT TO SPEAK, THE RIGHT IS NOT UNLIMITED.

PER TEXAS PENAL CODE 38.13 42.1 42.2 AND 42.5 AND TEXAS EDUCATION CODE 37.105.

NO AUDIENCE MEMBER OR SPEAKER WILL BE PERMITTED TO ENGAGE IN ANY CONDUCT THAT IS DISRUPTIVE OR THREATENING TOWARD ANY SPEAKER OR PERSONS OR VIOLATE THE PRIVACY RIGHTS OF ANOTHER PERSON. THE BOARD SHALL NOT TOLERATE THE DISRUPTION OF THE MEETING BY MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE.

IF, AFTER AT LEAST ONE MORE INDIVIDUAL WARNING FROM THE PRESIDING OFFICER, ANY INDIVIDUAL CONTINUES TO DISRUPT THE MEETING BY HIS OR HER WORDS OR ACTIONS, THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL REQUEST ASSISTANCE FROM LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS TO HAVE THE INDIVIDUAL REMOVED FROM THE MEETING.

THE BOARD MAY NOT DISCUSS OR ACT UPON ANY MATTERS NOT LISTED OR THE ACTION PORTION OF THE AGENDA.

THEREFORE, BOARD MEMBERS MAY NOT DISCUSS THE COMMENTS OF THE SPEAKERS.

PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT THE LACK OF RESPONSE FROM THE BOARD DOES NOT INDICATE AGREEMENT OR APPROVAL OF THE COMMENTS.

EACH SPEAKER WILL BE GIVEN 2 MINUTES TO ADDRESS THE BOARD.

JUST A REMINDER REGARDING AGENDA ITEM D ONE.

THIS IS A GRIEVANCE, SO YOU MAY SPEAK TO GENERALLY THE GRIEVANCE, BUT YOU MAY NOT TALK ABOUT INDIVIDUALS OR EMPLOYEES.

AND WE HAVE DISCUSSED THIS IN CLOSED SESSION.

AND CORY, DID YOU WANT TO SHARE THERE IS A PREVAILING PUBLIC OPINION IN THE COURT OPINION FROM THE FIFTH CIRCUIT COURT OF APPEALS.

AND I'D LIKE TO READ A BRIEF EXCERPT FROM THAT OPINION.

HONESTLY, THERE'S SO MUCH OF THIS OPINION THAT'S APPLICABLE THAT I DON'T KNOW, LIKE I JUST KEPT READING IT AND JUST MORE AND MORE CAN CITE THE PUBLIC OPINION IN THIS CASE. AND THEN JUST IT'S JULIE FAIRCHILD VERSUS LIBERTY INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT, AND THEY GO GREATLY INTO ALL OF THE THE TOPICS OF PUBLIC COMMENT OVER GRIEVANCES RELATED TO EMPLOYEE BEHAVIOR.

AND I REALLY DO FEEL LIKE.

PART. THERE'S A LOT OF A LOT OF THIS.

I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE TO START UNDER UNDER A PART TWO OR THREE SENTENCES THAT YOU READ TO US IN CLOSED SESSION, IF YOU CAN JUST READ THOSE TWO OR THREE SENTENCES, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. OKAY.

AND THEN WE CAN PEOPLE IT'S ON THE RECORD.

IF PEOPLE WANT TO REFER BACK TO THAT AND READ THE ENTIRE FINE WHERE I WAS BEFORE.

I CAN JUST SAY CITE THE CASE REFERENCE AND SOME PEOPLE CAN LOOK IT UP IF THEY LIKE.

WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO DO THAT? YEAH, THAT'S FINE.

FAIRCHILD VERSUS LIBERTY INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT 597 F THIRD F 0.3 D747 FIFTH CIRCUIT 2010

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BASICALLY TALKS ABOUT THAT PUBLIC COMPLAINTS.

THIS IS A LIMITED PUBLIC FORUM AND THE BOARD CAN LIMIT WHAT IS BEING SAID SO NOT TO VIOLATE THE PRIVACY RIGHTS OF INDIVIDUALS.

I DID FIND IT, IF YOU WANT ME TO READ IT.

YEAH. TWO OR THREE SENTENCES IF YOU DON'T MIND.

OKAY. IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE MORE THAN THAT.

THE BOARD MEETING HERE AND THE COMMENT SESSION IN PARTICULAR IS A LIMITED PUBLIC FORUM FOR THE LIMITED TIME AND TOPIC OF THE MEETING.

PLAINLY, PUBLIC BODIES MAY CONFINE THEIR MEETINGS TO SPECIFIED SUBJECT MATTER AND MAY HOLD NONPUBLIC SESSIONS TO TRANSACT BUSINESS.

AND THE BOARD MEETING HERE FITS THE HORN BOOK DEFINITION OF A LIMITED, NOT DESIGNATED PUBLIC FORM IN WHICH THE STATE IS NOT REQUIRED AND DOES NOT ALLOW PERSONS TO ENGAGE IN EVERY TYPE OF SPEECH.

THE BOARD POLICY IS EXCLUDED FROM PUBLIC DISCLOSURE.

CERTAIN TOPICS OF SPEECH, INCLUDING INDIVIDUALIZED PERSONNEL MATTERS WHICH THE BOARD CHANNELS INTO MORE EFFECTIVE DISPUTE RESOLUTION ARENAS BEFORE IT HEARS THE MATTER AND RESOLVES IT SO LIMITED.

THE BOARD MEETING CATEGORY DEFIES CATEGORIZATION AS A DESIGNATED PUBLIC FORUM BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT CANNOT CREATE A DESIGNATED PUBLIC FORUM BY INACTION OR BY PERMITTING LIMITED DISCOURSE. THE NEXT PARAGRAPH, ACTUALLY THE NEXT THREE, TWO OR THREE PARAGRAPHS AFTER THAT ARE REALLY HELPFUL IN TERMS OF EXPLAINING THE CASE LAW ON THIS MATTER. OKAY, GREAT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS JENNY GUSTIN, SPEAKING ON AGENDA ITEM ONE.

AND YOU DO LIVE IN THE DISTRICT.

HELLO, MY NAME IS JENNY CARSON.

I'M A ROUND ROCK ISD PARENT.

I DISAGREE WITH THE GRIEVANCE AND BELIEVE THIS IS A WASTE OF ROUND ROCK ISD MONEY AND RESOURCES.

THANK YOU. NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS REBECCA MELLIS SPEAKING ON AGENDA ITEM ONE.

AND YOU DO LIVE IN THE DISTRICT.

GOOD EVENING, TRUSTEES.

THE AIRING OF GRIEVANCES WAS A SEINFELD EPISODE FOR 1997.

THAT WAS 25 YEARS AGO.

AND WHILE IT WAS A FUNNY EPISODE, THE CONSTANT AIRING OF GRIEVANCES ISN'T FUNNY IN THIS FORM.

IT IS A WASTE OF OUR DISTRICT, RESOURCES, TIME AND ENERGY.

AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, IT DOESN'T FOCUS ON STUDENTS.

I UNDERSTAND THERE IS A NEED FOR THE GRIEVANCE PROCESS, BUT JUST BECAUSE SOMETHING IS IN PLACE DOESN'T MEAN YOU GET TO WEAPONIZE IT.

ONE OF THE PLAINTIFFS TONIGHT IS RUNNING FOR SCHOOL BOARD.

THIS COMPLAINANT HAS SHOWN US THAT HER FOCUS IS ON DISRUPTING RATHER THAN STUDENTS.

SHE WAS ONE OF FIVE AND OF ORDER.

IF YOU CAN BRING IT BACK TO THE GRIEVANCE, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

ALL RIGHTY. NOPE.

THAT'S IT. KNOW WHO? YOU KNOW WHO YOU'RE VOTING FOR.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS JENNIFER WHITE SPEAKING ON AGENDA ITEM D ONE.

AND YOU DO LIVE IN THE DISTRICT? I DO. SO WHAT'S INTERESTING ABOUT THIS GRIEVANCE AND WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE LISTED HERE, IT'S IT'S KIND OF BIASED BECAUSE THERE'S AN AMY M AS WELL.

SO LIKE YOU POSTED EVERYONE'S FULL NAMES.

AND WHY IS THAT? BECAUSE THE LAST GRIEVANCE YOU GUYS HAVE, YOU DO LIKE THE FIRST INITIAL LAST NAME OR THE FIRST NAME AND LAST AND LIKE AN INITIAL FOR THE LAST NAME, WHICH I THINK IS INTERESTING. THIS GRIEVANCE STARTED IN APRIL, SO THIS WAS NOT WHAT SHE HAS STATED ABOUT A CANDIDATE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY OF THAT.

AND I WOULD HOPE THAT PEOPLE WILL REACH OUT TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO BE DOING THIS GRIEVANCE.

AND OBVIOUSLY OUR NAMES ARE OUT THERE AS TO WHY.

AND I CAN TELL YOU EXACTLY WHY THIS GRIEVANCE HAS TO COME FORWARD.

THERE'S CHILDREN'S INFORMATION EXPOSED, THAT'S WHY.

BUT IF YOU CAN EXPLAIN WHY OUR NAMES WERE FULLY LISTED AND NOT JUST INITIALS, THAT'S, I THINK, A CONCERN, A VALID CONCERN.

SO LOVE TO HEAR THAT AT SOME POINT AND MAYBE LEGAL CAN TALK ABOUT THAT POINT OF ORDER.

WHAT IS YOUR POINT? DO YOU MIND IF LEGAL EXPLAINS AND CLARIFIES? WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO ENGAGE WITH THE PUBLIC DURING PUBLIC COMMENT.

THANK YOU. I HAVE A POINT OF CLARIFICATION.

YES. WHAT IS YOUR POINT? WHAT HAS THE ATTORNEY TO CLARIFY WHY LAST WEEK'S GRIEVANCE USED INITIALS? AND IF WE'VE GOT CHILDREN'S CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION THAT'S BEEN RELEASED IN THIS GRIEVANCE TONIGHT, WHY? GO AHEAD. I'M SORRY. I JUST WANTED TO SAY I KNOW THAT I WAS A THAT SHE MENTIONED THAT, BUT WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT THE SUBSTANCE OF THE GRIEVANCE IN THIS CASE, AN OPEN SESSION, EVEN THOUGH SHE TRIED TO MENTION THAT BRIEFLY.

THIS GRIEVANCE IS SCHEDULED TO BE HELD IN CLOSED SESSION UNDER 551.074, WHICH IS A PERSONNEL EXCEPTION.

AND SO THIS WILL BE HELD ENCLOSED AND CANNOT BE DISCUSSED IN PUBLIC.

YEAH. MY QUESTION IS JUST ABOUT WHY IT'S POSTED THIS WAY.

SURE. TRUST US. AND I BELIEVE THAT I ADVISED THE BOARD AND CLOSED SESSION.

I MENTIONED THIS EARLIER, BUT FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC WHO WEREN'T PRESENT DURING THAT DISCUSSION, IT'S JUST A STUDENT FOR A PARENT MATTER.

WHENEVER INITIALS ARE UTILIZED, THAT'S WHEN IT'S A FERPA PROTECTED STUDENT.

PARENT MATTER. IS IT YOUR CONTENTION THAT THIS IS NOT A STUDENT PARENT FOR THAT THOSE ISSUES ARE WILL NOT BE FOUND OR DISCUSSED IN THE GRIEVANCE TONIGHT?

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IS THAT YOUR POSITION? I WON'T SAY MY POSITION HERE PUBLICLY WITH LEGAL ADVICE, BUT I MEAN, I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS NOT A STUDENT MATTER.

THIS IS A MATTER THAT I CANNOT SPEAK OF.

IT'S SCHEDULED FOR CLOSED SESSION.

I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT HOW THIS IS BEING HANDLED.

I THINK WE PROBABLY NEED TO PAUSE AND REASSESS RATHER THAN MOVE FORWARD.

PARSE WHAT. BEFORE MOVING FORWARD, I THINK WE NEED TO PAUSE, GET CLARITY ON WHAT IS IN THIS GRIEVANCE, HOW IT'S DIFFERENT FROM LAST WEEK, AND DECIDE IF WE NEED TO MAKE ANY CHANGES AND ADJUSTMENTS BEFORE WE PROCEED.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO BACK INTO CLOSED SESSION AND MEET WITH OUR ATTORNEY? I WOULD LIKE TO TREAT THIS GRIEVANCE THE WAY THE LAST ONE IS TREATED.

UNLESS THEY ARE UNALIKE.

IF THEY ARE DISSIMILAR, THEN WE WOULD TREAT THEM DIFFERENTLY.

BUT IF THIS HAS GOT STUDENT INFORMATION FOR PR CONCERNS, THEN IT WOULD BE IDENTICAL TO THE LAST ONE AND WE SHOULD HANDLE IT IN THE SAME MANNER.

WE NEED TO SPEAK ABOUT THE SUBSTANCE OF THIS GRIEVANCE IN CLOSED SESSION.

ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO GO INTO CLOSED SESSION PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, SECTION 551.071 AND 551.074.

THE BOARD WILL DISCUSS, DELIBERATE AND CONSIDER THE PUBLIC COMPLAINT FILED BY JENNIFER WHITE, KRISTY SLAY, JEREMY STOREY, JESSICA PRYOR, STEPHANIE HUGHES, ANNA SARAVIA, BILL HAMILTON, GLENDA MOSLEY, MARK BARTON, NICO BISSELL AND RAQUEL MARTINEZ.

PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.071, THE BOARD WILL CONSULT WITH ITS ATTORNEY TO DISCUSS THE STATUS OF THE CASE OF CIVIL ACTION.

NUMBER ONE COLON 20 CV 00496-D EML ROUND ROCK ISD VERSUS AMY M IN THE US DISTRICT COURT FOR THE WESTERN DISTRICT AUSTIN DIVISION.

IT IS 622 CLOSED.

CAN I HAVE A POINT OF CLARIFICATION? POINT OF ORDER. I WHAT IS YOUR POINT? I WANTED TO ASK TRUSTEES, BONE AND WESTON IF THEY WERE CONSIDERING RECUSING THEMSELVES FROM THIS.

TWO OF THE GRIEVANCE ARE THE TWO PEOPLE THEY ASKED TO BE THEIR DATES AT THE PARTNERS AND EDUCATION FOUNDATION GALA.

SO I DO HAVE CONCERNS THAT BEING OBJECTIVE IN THIS REVIEW MAY NOT BE POSSIBLE.

I WILL NOT BE RECUSING MYSELF.

AND I FIND IT CURIOUS THAT THERE WAS A YOUR SOME INFORMATION THAT YOU SHARED IN NOVEMBER LED TO A GRIEVANCE IN FEBRUARY THAT YOU DID NOT RECUSE YOURSELF FROM.

I WILL NOT BE RECUSING MYSELF TONIGHT.

TRACY BOWDEN. YEAH.

I FIND TRUSTEE WARES YET AGAIN WASTING OUR TIME NOT ON CHILDREN.

AND I FIND IT RECKLESS OF THIS BOARD TO KEEP ASKING TRUSTEE WESTON AND I TO RECUSE OURSELVES.

IT'S OBVIOUSLY POLITICALLY DRIVEN AND NOT FOR THE BENEFIT OF ANY OF THE CHILDREN IN OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT, WHICH DOESN'T SURPRISE ME BECAUSE I ACTUALLY WONDER. TRUSTEE WHERE ARE YOU RECUSING YOURSELF? ALSO? TRUSTEE HARRISON ARE YOU RECUSING YOURSELF? TRUSTEE FELLER ARE YOU RECUSING YOURSELF BECAUSE I BELIEVE TRUSTEE WHERE YOU WERE THE ONE THAT HAS PUBLICLY AND LOOK, THEY ARE SHAKING THEIR HEADS.

YOU HAVE BEEN PUBLICLY ON PUBLIC PLATFORMS GOING AFTER THE OTHER CANDIDATE AND ONE OF THE OTHER MOMS. SO I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE RECUSING YOURSELF IN THIS CASE BECAUSE YOU OBVIOUSLY CANNOT BE OBJECTIVE.

AND THAT IS VERY, VERY CLEAR.

AND THE OTHER THING IS, JUST BECAUSE WE KNOW PEOPLE KNOW, I WILL NOT BE RECUSING MYSELF JUST BECAUSE I KNOW PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY.

ALL RIGHT. WELL, SINCE YOU ARE ALSO GOING OUT PUBLICLY SUPPORTING SOME OF THE GRIEVANCES, GRIEVANCE, I WILL APPOINT A VOICE.

I KNOW WHAT TO DO. I WILL RECUSE MYSELF IF YOU TO DO.

WE'RE NOT MAKING DEALS.

WE'RE JUST DOING THE RIGHT THING, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY HARD FOR YOU BECAUSE YOU JUST ADMITTED THAT THE RIGHT THING FOR YOU TO DO WOULD BE TO RECUSE YOURSELF.

AND I'M ADMITTING THAT THE RIGHT THING FOR ME TO DO IS TO SIT HERE AND LISTEN TO THESE PARENTS.

AND OBJECTIVELY, BECAUSE I CAN OBJECTIVELY DO THAT, BECAUSE I'M NOT ATTACKING THEM ON PUBLIC MEDIA RIGHT NOW.

SO. I WILL BE STAYING.

ALL RIGHT. IT IS 626 AND WE ARE IN CLOSED SESSION.

[D. CLOSE SESSION (PART 2)]

[E. CALL BACK TO ORDER/EXECUTIVE SESSION MOTIONS (PART 1)]

IT IS 850.

WE ARE BACK IN OPEN SESSION.

DO I HAVE ANY EMOTIONS COMING OUT OF CLOSED? YES. I MOVE THAT THE BOARD GRANT IN PART AND DENY IN PART THE LEVEL THREE COMPLAINT AS FOLLOWS.

THAT RESPECT TO THE REMEDY NUMBER 11 REQUESTED THAT THE BOARD PRESIDENT DIRECT THE INTERNAL AUDITOR TO PERFORM SERVICES AS DISCUSSED IN CLOSED SESSION AND THE REMAINDER OF THE REMEDY SOUGHT ARE HEREBY DENIED.

SECOND, HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND.

I HAVE AN AMENDMENT.

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YOU HAVE AN AMENDED MOTION? YES, AMENDED MOTION.

GO AHEAD. I WANT TO AMEND THE MOTION TO HIRE AN OUTSIDE AUDITOR, NOT INTERNAL AUDITOR, BUT AN OUTSIDE AUDITOR OR LAW FIRM TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE BOARD, SUPERINTENDENT AND LEGAL SERVICES OFFICE TO ACHIEVE FULL AND CONSISTENT COMPLIANCE WITH THE PUBLIC INFORMATION ACT TO ENSURE THE FACTS BROUGHT FORWARD IN TONIGHT'S GRIEVANCE ARE MITIGATED IN THE FUTURE.

YOU DIDN'T ADDRESS THE GRANT, IN PART DENYING PART OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WERE REQUESTED IN YOUR MOTION.

OH, I'M HAPPY TO RESTATE.

SO MY AMENDED MOTION WOULD BE TO GRANT IN PART AND DENY IN PART SPECIFICALLY TO WHAT TRUSTEE VESSA JUST WANTED TO GRANT IN PART ON REMEDY NUMBER 11, I WOULD AMEND HER MOTION TO FROM INTERNAL TO HIRING AN OUTSIDE AUDITOR OR LAW FIRM TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE BOARD, SUPERINTENDENT AND LEGAL SERVICES OFFICE TO ACHIEVE FULL AND CONSISTENT COMPLIANCE WITH THE PUBLIC INFORMATION ACT TO ENSURE THE FACTS BROUGHT FORWARD IN TONIGHT'S GRIEVANCE ARE MITIGATED IN THE FUTURE.

I WOULD SECOND. SORRY.

YOUR MOTION DOESN'T SAY WHAT YOU'RE DENYING.

BECAUSE YOU SAY YOU'RE GRANT IN PART AND DENY HIM PART, BUT YOU'RE NOT SAYING WHAT YOU'RE DENYING.

OH, DID YOU SAY WHAT YOU WERE DENYING? YEAH. I THINK HER AND THE REMAINDER OF THE REMEDIES SORT ONE AMENDMENT IS JUST TO THE PART OF NUMBER.

YOU HAVE TO GIVE A WHOLE BRAND NEW MOTION.

SO FIRST I NEED NO TO THINK SHE'S AMENDING.

SHE JUST AMENDED THAT ONE PORTION OF IT.

WE CAN AMEND JUST THE.

SO IT'S NOT A SUBSTITUTE MOTION, THOUGH.

IT'S JUST AN AMENDMENT TO THAT ONE ITEM REGARDING REMEDY NUMBER 11.

SO WE NEED TO VOTE WITH THE REST OF IT.

SO WE HAVE A SECOND ON THAT.

SO WE NEED TO VOTE IF WE WANT TO AMEND THE MOTION.

ALL RIGHT. SO WE ARE JUST VOTING AS TO WHETHER WE WANT TO CHANGE CARY'S MOTION.

ALL IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR HAND.

ALL OPPOSED.

THE AMENDED MOTION FAILS, GOING BACK TO CARY'S ORIGINAL MOTION TO GRANT IN PART AND DENY IN PART, DENYING TEN AND 12, AND GRANT IN PART 11 FROM AN INTERNAL AUDIT.

ALL ANY OTHER DISCUSSION.

TRUSTEE WESTON.

WHAT CAN I MAKE? CAN I JUST MAKE A POINT OF ORDER, THOUGH? WE WERE NOT REALLY SUPPOSED TO TALK ABOUT THE WHOLE THING, SO WE WERE REAL CAREFUL IN THE MOTION TO GRANT THAT WE WERE TRYING TO KEEP THE INFORMATION THAT WAS DISCUSSED IN CLOSED SESSION.

IN CLOSED SESSION. SO BEFORE BEFORE YOU CONTINUE WITH YOUR COMMENT, I WOULD JUST ASK THAT YOU KEEP THAT IN MIND.

I APPRECIATE THAT. SO I'LL BE VOTING NO ON THIS BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT THIS MOTION IS GOING TO MAKE ANY MEANINGFUL IMPROVEMENTS.

I DON'T THINK THAT THE WAY IT'S STRUCTURED WITH WHO IT TASKS IS APPROPRIATE FOR WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

GIVEN WHAT WE HEARD TONIGHT, I THINK IT FALLS SHORT OF MAKING MEANINGFUL IMPROVEMENTS TO REAL CONCERNS THAT CAME FORWARD TO US TONIGHT FROM REAL PARENTS WHO LIVE IN OUR COMMUNITY, WHO HAVE LEGITIMATE CONCERNS.

AND I THINK IT'S JUST PAR FOR THE COURSE FOR THIS GROUP UP HERE AT THIS POINT.

AND I THINK IT DOES A DISSERVICE TO THE GRIEVANCE WHO CAME HERE TONIGHT.

TRUSTEE. VESSA.

SO I WOULD SAY THAT I DISAGREE BECAUSE WHAT WE ACTUALLY IT'S NOT STATED IN THE MOTION, BUT I THINK I CAN SAY THAT THAT WE WERE THE BOARD WAS OPEN TO PURSUING EXTERNAL AUDIT IF OUR INTERNAL AUDIT DEPARTMENT DETERMINED THAT THAT WAS THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION.

SO WE'RE JUST GOING THROUGH ONE STEP MORE TO HAVE THE INTERNAL AUDIT DEPARTMENT GIVE US ADVICE IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY ARE NOT CAPABLE OF DOING, AND THEN WE WILL RESPOND BASED ON THAT.

THAT ADVICE GIVEN FROM OUR OUR THE OTHER THIS PERSON IS ACTUALLY AN EMPLOYEE OF THE BOARD.

SO THAT THAT WAS THE THE KIND OF THE COMPROMISE IN TERMS OF OF WHAT WHAT WAS DISCUSSED IS THAT WE WERE NOT AGAINST AN EXTERNAL AUDIT.

IF WE FELT LIKE OUR INTERNAL AUDITOR DID NOT FEEL PREPARED OR EQUIPPED TO DO DO THE AUDIT THAT WE HAD SET OUT.

SO DOES YOUR NOTION HAVE A TIMELINE IN IT OF WHEN THE INTERNAL AUDITOR WOULD SUPPOSEDLY GIVE US THIS ANSWER AND THEN WE WOULD REVISIT THAT? IS ANY OF THAT ADDRESSED IN YOUR MOTION? WELL, THE BOARD PRESIDENT CAN DEFINITELY RELAY THAT BACK TO THE BOARD IN TERMS OF OF WHEN I MEAN, THAT THAT ALSO MAY TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN SHE GETS BACK TO US IF SHE THINKS THAT SHE CAN'T GET TO IT IN A TIMELY FASHION, THEN SHE MAY WANT TO RECOMMEND SEEKING AN EXTERNAL ENTITY BECAUSE OF HER WORKLOAD AND THE TIMELINE ABOUT WHICH SHE CAN ADDRESS THIS.

I THINK THAT THERE WAS A GENERAL AGREEMENT THAT THAT THIS IS IMPORTANT AND THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WE'RE DOING ALL DUE

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DILIGENCE IN THIS. WE JUST WANT TO WE JUST WANTED TO TRY TO SEE IF WE COULD HANDLE IT, YOU KNOW, THROUGH OUR EMPLOYEE WHO HAS AN INTERNAL AUDIT DEPARTMENT, IF SHE FEELS THAT SHE CANNOT, WHETHER THAT BE FOR STAFFING OR EXPERTISE OR WHATEVER, THEN THEN OUR ASK WOULD BE TO HER TO REPORT BACK AND TELL US THAT AND WE WILL PROCEED. AND NONE OF THAT IS IN YOUR MOTION.

WELL, WHAT IT IS, IS AS DISCUSSED IN CLOSED SESSION, WHICH WAS WHAT WE DISCUSSED IN CLOSED SESSION, WE WERE TRYING WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT WHAT WE DISCUSSED, BUT I DIDN'T GO INTO ANY POINT OF ORDER.

WHAT IS YOUR POINT? I'M CONCERNED ABOUT HOW THE DISCUSSION IS GOING WITH REVEALING THINGS THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED IN CLOSED SESSION.

I'D LIKE TO CALL THE QUESTION.

I'LL SECOND. ALL RIGHT.

ALL IN FAVOR OF CALLING THE QUESTION.

RAISE YOUR HAND. ALL OPPOSED MOTION PASSES.

FIVE TWO. WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND ON THE TABLE.

ALL IN FAVOR OF RAISE YOUR HAND.

ALL OPPOSED MOTION PASSES.

SIX ONE. ALL RIGHT.

THAT IS THE. MOTION PASSES.

SIX ONE. IT IS 856.

I'M GOING TO READ US BACK INTO CLOSED SESSION FOR AGENDA ITEM TWO PURSUANT TO TEXAS, TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.071, THE BOARD WILL CONSULT WITH ITS ATTORNEY TO DISCUSS THE STATUS OF THE CASE IN CIVIL ACTION.

NUMBER ONE CALL ON 22 CV 004966-EL ROUND ROCK ISD VERSUS AMY M AND THE US DISTRICT COURT FOR THE WESTERN DISTRICT OF TEXAS AUSTIN DIVISION.

IT IS 856 AND WE ARE IN CLOSED SESSION.

[D. CLOSE SESSION (PART 3)]

YOU GOT ME. IT IS 948.

[E. CALL BACK TO ORDER/EXECUTIVE SESSION MOTIONS (PART 2)]

WE ARE BACK IN OPEN SESSION.

DO I HAVE ANY EMOTIONS COMING OUT OF CLOSED? YES, MADAM PRESIDENT.

I MOVED TO APPROVE THE PAYMENT OF LITIGATION AND COMPENSATORY EDUCATION COSTS AND THE ROUND ROCK ISD VERSUS AMY AM LITIGATION MATTER AS DISCUSSED IN CLOSED SESSION.

A SECOND EMOTION IN A SECOND.

I DON'T SEE ANY LIGHTS ON. ALL IN FAVOR OF RAISE YOUR HAND.

I'LL OPPOSE. SEE? NONE.

MOTION PASSES. SIX ZERO.

SEEN NOTHING ELSE ON THE AGENDA? IT IS 949 AND WE ARE ADJOURNED.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.