Jun 02, 2022 Called Board Meetings

[A. CALL TO ORDER]

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IT IS 7:00.

I HEREBY CALL ON THURSDAY, JUNE 2ND, 2022.

I HEREBY CALL A MEETING OF THE ROUND ROCK INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT BOARD OF TRUSTEES CALL BOARD MEETING TO ORDER.

BEFORE WE GET STARTED, I WOULD LIKE TO EXTEND MY HEARTFELT SYMPATHIES AND CONDOLENCES FOR THE COMMUNITY, THE UVALDE COMMUNITY, AND SPECIFICALLY THOSE AFFECTED AT ROBB ELEMENTARY.

AND AS A SIGN OF RESPECT, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK FOR A MOMENT OF SILENCE, PLEASE.

THANK YOU. ALL TRUSTEES ARE IN ATTENDANCE.

PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE.

[C. PUBLIC COMMENTS TO AGENDA ITEMS ONLY]

AT EACH BOARD MEETING, THE BOARD WILL SET ASIDE TIME TO AFFORD THE GENERAL PUBLIC AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.

WE ASK THAT CONCERNS AND COMPLAINTS REGARDING SPECIFIC INDIVIDUALS NOT BE RAISED IN THIS PUBLIC FORUM.

SPECIFIC CONCERNS ABOUT EMPLOYEES OR FORMER EMPLOYEES SHOULD BE CONSIDERED SEPARATELY ACCORDING TO APPLICABLE BOARD POLICIES.

THE BOARD REQUESTS THAT COMMENTS, WHETHER POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE, BE COURTEOUS AND RESPECTFUL.

I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND THE AUDIENCE AND THE VIEWERS THAT THE COMMENTS OF THE SPEAKERS REFLECT THEIR OWN POSITIONS OR OPINIONS.

PLEASE NOTE THAT WHILE THE PUBLIC DOES HAVE THE RIGHT TO SPEAK, THAT RIGHT IS NOT UNLIMITED.

PER TEXAS PENAL CODE.

38.13, 42.1, 42.02 AND 42.05.

AND TEXAS EDUCATION CODE 37.105.

NO AUDIENCE MEMBER OR SPEAKER WILL BE PERMITTED TO ENGAGE IN ANY CONDUCT THAT IS DISRUPTIVE OR THREATENING TOWARD ANY SPEAKER OR OTHER PERSON, OR TO VIOLATE THE PRIVACY RIGHTS OF ANOTHER PERSON.

THE BOARD SHALL NOT TOLERATE DISRUPTION OF THE MEETING BY MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE.

IF, AFTER AT LEAST ONE MORE INDIVIDUAL WARNING FROM THE PRESIDING OFFICER, ANY INDIVIDUAL CONTINUES TO DISRUPT THE MEETING BY HIS OR HER WORDS OR ACTIONS.

THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL REQUEST ASSISTANCE FROM LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS TO HAVE THE INDIVIDUAL INDIVIDUAL REMOVED FROM THE MEETING.

THE BOARD MAY NOT DISCUSS OR ACT UPON ANY MATTER THAT IS NOT LISTED ON THE ACTION PORTION OF THE AGENDA.

THEREFORE, BOARD MEMBERS MAY NOT DISCUSS THE COMMENTS OF SPEAKERS.

PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT A LACK OF RESPONSE FROM THE BOARD MEMBERS DOES NOT INDICATE AGREEMENT OR APPROVAL FROM THE OF THE COMMENTS.

EACH SPEAKER WILL BE GIVEN 2 MINUTES TO ADDRESS THE BOARD.

TRUSTEE HARRISON WILL BE THE DESIGNATED TIMEKEEPER.

FIRST SPEAKER TONIGHT IS STUDENT ALEX [INAUDIBLE].

ALEX. YOU GOT IT.

ALL RIGHT. HELLO. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME THIS TIME TO SPEAK.

I ACTUALLY RECENTLY GRADUATED, SO I WAS SUPPOSED TO CIRCLE A COMMUNITY MEMBER ON THAT, BUT I DON'T KNOW.

I GUESS I'M STILL A STUDENT TODAY ANYWAY.

THE MOVE TO A SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICT.

THE THING ABOUT IT IS, I DON'T REALLY SEE WHY HAVING ONE TRUSTEE OVER EACH SCHOOL WOULD HAVE A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IN REPRESENTATION FOR EACH STUDENT.

IN MY MIND, STUDENTS FROM ROUND ROCK TO STONY POINT AND MCNEIL TO WESTWOOD, THEY ALL SUFFER FROM RELATIVELY SIMILAR ISSUES IN REGARDS TO THE ACADEMIC STRUGGLES THEY HAVE AND THE AND ALL THE OTHER SCHOOL RELATED PROBLEMS THAT THEY FACE, AND ESPECIALLY ALL THE ISSUES THAT I HEAR DISCUSSED AT THESE MEETINGS ALL THE TIME. SO HAVING ONE TRUSTEE OVER EACH SCHOOL, I DON'T SEE WHY YOU WOULD HAVE TO BE ELECTED FROM THAT AREA OR LIVE IN THAT AREA TO UNDERSTAND THE PROBLEMS FACED BY THOSE STUDENTS IN THAT COMMUNITY.

THE SECOND THING, WHICH I'M SURE YOU GUYS ARE PROBABLY GOING TO HEAR A LOT TONIGHT, IS THAT THIS MOVE COMES AT AN ODDLY, AT AN ODD TIME REALLY.

WE ARE ABOUT TO GO INTO ELECTION SEASON, ABOUT TO GO INTO CAMPAIGNING SEASON.

AND RIGHT NOW WE WANT TO CHANGE THE PROCEDURES TO POTENTIALLY MAKE PEOPLE WHO WOULDN'T HAVE TO RUN, RUN.

I HAVEN'T REALLY HEARD THIS ADDRESS IN THE MEETINGS THAT I'VE GONE TO.

SO CLEARING THIS UP FOR THE COMMUNITY, WHICH CERTAINLY PROBABLY BRING US TO A CLOSER CONCLUSION, BRING US TO A MORE WELL ACCEPTED CONCLUSION AMONG THE COMMUNITY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

NEXT IS NATALIA GOMES STUDENT.

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A FEW WEEKS AGO I PRESENTED AT YOUR BOARD MEETING REGARDING THE 2022 TO 2023 PROPOSED BUDGET.

SPECIFICALLY REGARDING THE EARLY COLLEGE HIGH SCHOOL.

TODAY I RETURN ON BEHALF OF MY ECHS COMMUNITY, ALL OUR GRADUATED CLASSES AND NEW INCOMING FRESHMEN.

MY HOPE IS THAT YOU WILL RECALL THAT I POINTED OUT ONE OF THE GREAT VULNERABILITIES OF OUR CAMPUSES, THAT BEING THE TEMPORARY THAT BEING THE TEMPORARY PORTABLES THAT WE HAVE OFFERED LITTLE TO NO PROTECTION.

LAST WEEK IN OLIVER, TEXAS, THE CHILDREN OF ROB ELEMENTARY WERE BREACHED BY AN INTRUDER.

19 STUDENTS AND TWO TEACHERS WERE SHOT AND KILLED IN THE SAFE HAVEN OF THEIR CLASSROOMS. BUT THE SECURITY THAT WAS IMPLEMENTED AND OFFERED BY THAT FACILITY PREVENTED THE LOSS OF LIFE FROM BEING MUCH HIGHER.

OUR EARLY COLLEGE, HIGH SCHOOL, WE WORK EXTREMELY HARD ON OUR ASSOCIATES AND HIGH SCHOOL DEGREES KNOWING WE ARE COMPLETELY VULNERABLE IN OUR PORTABLES.

IMAGINE 100 BULLETS FLYING THROUGH OUR PORTABLE CLASSROOMS IN 4 MINUTES WITH COMPLETE VULNERABILITY TOWARDS EVERYONE.

THE INTRUDER WOULD NOT EVEN HAVE TO BE IN OUR CLASSROOMS TO CAUSE GREAT HARM BECAUSE THE PORTABLE WALLS DON'T STAND A CHANCE AGAINST A GUN, MUCH LESS AN AR 15.

IT IS NOT SCARY UNTIL YOUR CHILDREN ARE IN THAT CLASSROOM.

IT IS EVEN SCARIER WHEN IT HAPPENS ONLY 181 MILES FROM THIS BUILDING.

CURRENTLY, WE ATTEND A SCHOOL IN THE EXACT SITUATION THAT ONE DOES NOT WANT TO FIND ONESELF IN WHEN A SCHOOL INTRUDER COMES ALONG WITH A FIREARM.

WE NEED YOUR HELP AND FUNDING TO ENSURE THAT OUR STUDENTS ARE SAFE AND THAT WE HAVE THE PROPER SECURITY FOR A LEARNING ENVIRONMENT ON CAMPUS.

WE HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR THIS BUILDING SINCE IT OPENED IN 2016.

AND WE JUST PLEASE ASK YOU TO APPROVE THE FUNDING OF OUR CONSTRUCTION OF EARLY COLLEGE HIGH SCHOOL.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEXT IS LESLEY WINTERS SPEAKING ON ITEM D2.

AND YOU DO LIVE IN THE DISTRICT.

HI. MY NAME IS LESLIE WINTERS.

I'M A COMMUNITY MEMBER AND A MOM OF TWO IN THE DISTRICT, AND I AM HERE ALSO TO SPEAK ON THE D2 THE SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICT.

I GUESS JUST WONDERING WHY AFTER HEARING THE FIRST STUDENT COME UP HERE AND SPEAK ABOUT THE TRAGEDY IN UVALDE, THIS IS WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA.

SO IN OUR OWN DISTRICT, JUST LIKE UVALDE, WE NOW KNOW THAT THE DOOR WAS PROPPED OPEN BY A TEACHER FOR CONVENIENCE.

HERE IN OUR VERY OWN DISTRICT, WE HAD A PRINCIPAL THAT UNLOCKED THE DOOR SO THAT STUDENTS COULD PROTEST.

THERE WERE NOT ONLY STUDENTS AT THAT PROTEST, THERE ARE COMMUNITY MEMBERS THERE, TOO.

THEIR SIGNS WERE DISGUSTING, VULGAR AND AROUND THE CORNER FROM ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AS WELL AS A MIDDLE SCHOOL.

THEN ON MAY 19TH, WE HAD A PRINCIPAL UNLOCK THE DOORS TO OUR HIGH SCHOOL AND ALLOWED STUDENTS TO COME IN.

IS THIS RELATED TO SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS.

SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICT.

I KNOW THAT'S IMPORTANT. YEAH.

AND THEN THE STUDENTS CAME IN AND VANDALIZED THE SCHOOL.

AND WHERE WAS OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT? WHO'S RUNNING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT? THERE'S NO CHIEF, IS THIS.

I'M SORRY. I'LL BRING IT BACK TO THE SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICT.

I KNOW IT'S SO IMPORTANT.

THERE WERE FIVE POLICE OFFICERS HERE WHILE CEDAR RIDGE WAS BEING VANDALIZED.

SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICT.

I KNOW. SO, MAN, WHERE ARE YOUR PRIORITIES? YOU ARE RE-ENVISIONING OR REIMAGINING EDUCATION.

SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICT.

YOU'RE REIMAGINING EDUCATION.

OUR KIDS ARE FAILING.

YOU'RE REIMAGINING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

OUR KIDS ARE DYING.

BROWN CHILDREN.

BROWN CHILDREN. ALL BROWN.

MOSTLY BROWN. SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICT PRIORITIES.

PRIORITIES. THANK YOU.

NEXT IS RENATA SIMMS SPEAKING ON ITEM D2 AND D3.

AND YOU DO LIVE IN THE DISTRICT.

MADAM PRESIDENT. A POINT OF ORDER? YES. WHAT IS YOUR POINT, VALERIE? DOES THAT COUNT AS STAYING ON TOPIC? WE LET IT GO. BUT NOW, I MEAN, FOR YOUR POLICY SPECIFICALLY STATE THAT SPECIAL MEETINGS MUST BE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT SPEAKERS ON ONLY AGENDA ITEMS SO THAT NEEDS TO BE REGARDING AGENDA ITEM.

REGARDING GO AHEAD, MISS SIMS. GOOD EVENING, TRUSTEES.

THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TONIGHT.

I WANT TO START OUT BY THANKING THE TWO TRUSTEES THAT WESTON AND BONE THAT HAD TAKEN THE UVALDE INCIDENT

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AND I REALLY APPRECIATE FOR THEM TO PICKING UP THAT TOPIC ON THE D2, D3 AGENDA ITEM.

I WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT THE TIMELINE THAT YOU ALL ARE PROPOSING FOR THIS.

THIS IS MY THIRD MEETING THAT I AM ATTENDING ON THIS TOPIC, AND IN EACH MEETING SO FAR I HAVE SEEN AN OVERWHELMING RESPONSE FROM THE COMMUNITY POINTING OUT TO YOU ALL THAT THIS IS NOT THE COMMUNITY'S PRIORITY.

THIS IS THE PRIORITY OF 4 TO 5 OF YOU, ALL BOARD MEMBERS.

SO THERE IS NO CORRELATION BETWEEN WHAT THE COMMUNITY FEELS IS IMPORTANT TO WHAT YOU ALL ON THE DAIS, YOU FIVE ON THE DAIS THINK IS IMPORTANT.

SO I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT ON THE TIMELINE SPECIFICALLY, COMPLAINTS WERE GIVEN TO NOT HAVE IT HAPPEN BEFORE NOVEMBER.

AND YET ON THE TIMELINE, IT SAYS IN ORDER TO ACCOMPLISH THIS BY NOVEMBER, HERE IS WHEN WE NEED TO MAKE THE DECISION BY JULY 25.

THERE IS NO OTHER PROPOSAL GIVEN IN YOUR AGENDA THAT WOULD LAY OUT WHAT ANOTHER OPTION WOULD BE FOR POST-NOVEMBER.

SO AGAIN, AS A COMMUNITY MEMBER, I WANT TO JUST OPEN YOUR EYES TO HOW OUT OF TOUCH YOU ARE WITH WHAT THE COMMUNITY REALLY THINKS IS PRIORITIES.

IT'S THE SAFETY OF OUR CHILDREN.

AS YOU HEARD THE STUDENT SPEAK, AS I HAVE TALKED ABOUT MANY TIMES HERE, UP FRONT MALES AND FEMALE RESTROOMS, ET CETERA, THOSE ARE PRIORITIES, THE STUDENT OUTCOMES.

NONE OF THESE MINUTES TODAY WILL COUNT FOR STUDENT OUTCOMES AND THAT'S A TRAVESTY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

NEXT IS TAMMY CONRAD SPEAKING ON AGENDA ITEM D! AND YOU DO LIVE IN THE DISTRICT.

GOOD EVENING. AS YOU KNOW, I'M AN EDUCATOR IN THE DISTRICT AND AN EDUCATION ROUND ROCK BOARD MEMBER.

I APPRECIATE YOUR DILIGENCE IN CREATING AND REVIEWING THE PROPOSED BUDGET IN LIGHT OF THE MOST RECENT HORRIFIC SCHOOL SHOOTING.

I GET THAT YOU MAY RECONSIDER THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BUDGET.

I DO NOT ADVOCATE AN INCREASE IN FUNDING.

INADEQUATE GUN CONTROL IS A MAJOR FACTOR IN SCHOOL SHOOTINGS.

WE SHOULD ALL BE CONTACTING OUR STATE AND FEDERAL LEGISLATORS TO DEMAND IMMEDIATE ACTION.

HERE IN THE DISTRICT, WE CAN SUPPORT MAKING OUR SCHOOLS SAFER BY REDIRECTING FUNDS FROM POLICE TO HIRE MORE COUNSELORS AND PROVIDING MORE SEL TRAINING.

IN ADDITION, AS WE ALL CONTINUE TO MOURN THE LOSS OF INNOCENT STUDENTS AND EDUCATORS.

I BEG YOU NOT TO MAKE MATTERS WORSE BY ARMING TEACHERS.

THAT'S NOT THE JOB WE SIGNED UP FOR, AND IT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE QUALIFIED FOR.

I FEAR THE ACCIDENTS THAT WOULD INEVITABLY HAPPEN AND THE IMPACT ON TEACHER RETENTION WILL BE REALLY IT'LL BE AWFUL.

AS WE CONTINUE TO MOURN.

WE CAN MAKE POSITIVE CHANGE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

NEXT IS TRACEY MCKEE SPEAKING ON ITEM AGENDA ITEM D2 AND 3.

AND YOU DO LIVE IN THE DISTRICT? OKAY. SO I'M HERE TO SPEAK.

I'M NOT NECESSARILY FOR OR AGAINST SMDS.

I JUST THINK NOW IS NOT THE TIME TO DO IT.

THERE IS NOT.

EVERYBODY'S TALKING ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED IN UVALDE AND YOU GUYS DON'T EVEN HAVE THAT ON YOUR AGENDA FOR SAFETY AND SECURITY.

I SENT YOU ALL EMAIL THIS WEEK ABOUT A BROKEN WINDOW ON AN ENTRANCE DOOR TO MY KID'S SCHOOL, AND ONE PERSON RESPONDED TO ME.

NOBODY SAID ANYTHING BACK.

THIS IS A PICTURE OF IT IF YOU ALL WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT AGAIN.

OK. I WAS ASSURED BY JENNY CAPUTO THAT THE CARDBOARD WAS PUT UP THERE JUST TO PROTECT THE KIDS WHILE THEY WERE IN SCHOOL FROM CUTTING THEMSELVES. BUT THERE'S A BIGGER ISSUE THERE THAN JUST HAVING THEM CUT THEIR HANDS, AS WE SAW WHAT HAPPENED IN UVALDE, AND IT WAS THE CUSTODIANS THAT TOOK CARE OF IT.

I'M GOING TO HAVE TO ASK YOU TO STAY ON TOPIC.

THAT'S THE PROBLEM IS YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT SMDS HERE AND THERE'S BIGGER ISSUES IN THIS DISTRICT THAN TRYING TO SQUEEZE THIS IN.

HOW BLIND ARE YOU TO NOT SEE THAT EVERYBODY IS SCREAMING FOR SAFETY AND SECURITY IN OUR SCHOOLS AND IT'S NOT EVEN ON YOUR RADAR RIGHT NOW.

IT'S REALLY IT'S REALLY SAD.

IF YOU WANT TO.

I KNOW THAT THERE'S REPRESENTATION LACKING IN SOME OF THE FEEDER PATTERNS.

AND IF YOU RECOGNIZE THAT PROBLEM, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

YOU ARE ALL CURRENT BOARD MEMBERS.

YOU CAN SPEAK UP FOR COMMUNITIES THAT YOU FEEL AREN'T BEING REPRESENTED.

SO TO GO AND TRY AND PUSH THIS IN BEFORE NOVEMBER IS RIDICULOUS.

THAT FALLS ON ALL OF YOU TO BE REPRESENTING THESE PEOPLE.

SO START FOCUSING ON SAFETY AND SECURITY OF OUR SCHOOLS AND STOP DOING THIS AND REEVALUATE IT IN NOVEMBER.

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IT'S JUST NOW IS NOT THE TIME.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEXT IS DENISE RAY SPEAKING AT AGENDA ITEM D2 AND D3.

AND YOU DO LIVE IN THE DISTRICT.

AND JUST ANOTHER REMINDER, THIS IS A CALLED BOARD MEETING AND YOU MUST STAY ON AGENDA TOPICS.

SO WHY ARE YOU IN SUCH A RUSH TO PUSH THROUGH SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS? LAST TIME, SPEAKER AFTER SPEAKER STOOD HERE AND STOOD HERE AND EXPRESSED THEIR CONCERNS FOR ITS TIMING.

WHY ARE YOU PURPOSEFULLY IGNORING YOUR COMMUNITY? TRUSTEE HARRISON WAS HESITANT ABOUT IT AND TRUSTEE FELLER WAS ADAMANTLY AGAINST IT.

THEN YOU PULLED A REVERSAL AND PUSHED IT THROUGH.

WAS IT A BAIT AND SWITCH OR WAS IT PURELY THEATER? WERE YOU INITIALLY JUST RESISTING JUST FOR OPTICS? TRUSTEE HARRISON SPOKE OF COMMUNITY DISTRUST AND VALIDATED OUR CONCERNS.

NOW YOU'RE FORCING IT DOWN OUR THROATS AGAINST VERY VOCAL DISSENT.

WHY DO YOU THINK THIS COMMUNITY DISTRUSTS YOU? WE HAVE THOUSANDS OF STUDENTS AND TEACHERS WHO HAVE FLED AND CONTINUE TO FLEE THIS DISTRICT.

WHERE ARE WE GETTING THE MONEY TO PAY A PRIVATE CONSULTANT FOR THIS ENDEAVOR? DON'T WE HAVE MORE PRESSING ISSUES TO ADDRESS? ISN'T IT MORE CRITICAL TO CREATE PUBLIC FORUMS SO THAT WE CAN DISCUSS SCHOOL SAFETY? A DEFUNCT POLICE FORCE AND DYSFUNCTIONAL BOARD.

AND A SCANDALOUS SUPERINTENDENT.

ARE YOU MORE WORRIED ABOUT PULLING A POLITICAL STUNT THAN THE WELL-BEING OF YOUR STUDENTS AND STAFF? WE TELL OUR KIDS THAT ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS, NO MATTER WHAT YOUR MOUTH SAY.

YOUR COMMUNITY IS JUDGING YOU BY YOUR ACTIONS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEXT IS ROB LESTER SPEAKING ON AGENDA ITEM D2 AND D3.

AND YOU DO LIVE IN THE DISTRICT.

ROB LESSER. THANK YOU.

I WANT TO FIRST POINT SOMETHING OUT ABOUT STAYING ON TOPIC THAT SEVERAL PEOPLE HAVE BEEN CALLED OUT ALREADY AND A CERTAIN PERSON STOOD UP HERE AND TALKED ABOUT GUN VIOLENCE IS NOT CALLED OUT, WHICH POINTS TO THE HYPOCRISY OF ENFORCING THE RULES HERE.

ENOUGH ON THAT. BUT TAKE THAT IN.

I'M NOT FOR OR AGAINST SMDS.

I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT IT YET.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE IMPACT IS GOING TO BE.

HERE'S WHAT I DO NOW IS AUSTIN ISD IS ALREADY AN SMD BASED STRUCTURE.

AFTER THE CENSUS, THEY'VEHAD ABOUT SEVEN MONTHS WORTH OF MEETINGS SIMPLY TO LOOK AT THEIR BOUNDARIES.

SEVEN MONTHS, ABOUT FIVE MEETINGS THAT MAY HAVE NOT HAVE THOSE NUMBERS.

EXACTLY RIGHT. BUT THE POINT IS, IS THAT JUST ON THAT PIECE ALONE, THEY'VE SPENT THAT AMOUNT OF TIME AND WE'RE PULLING THIS THING THROUGH AT A VERY RAPID PACE, WHICH LOOKS LIKE TO TRY AND MAKE IT ACTIVE FOR NOVEMBER FOR REASONS THAT ANYBODY CAN JUDGE ON THEIR OWN MERITS.

I KNOW WHO BROUGHT THIS TO BEAR.

I THINK I KNOW WHY.

BUT THE POINT IS AS OTHER PEOPLE HAVE SAID, THIS IS NOT A PRIORITY FOR THIS DISTRICT.

FOR ALL THE REASONS THAT HAVE BEEN STATED.

YOU GUYS HAVE GOT TO LOOK AT WHAT YOU'RE DOING HERE AND REALIZE THAT IT'S VERY, VERY TRANSPARENT WHAT'S GOING ON.

YOU'RE GOING TO TRY AND RAM THIS STUFF THROUGH.

TEC 11 SAYS YOU'VE GOT TO GIVE SEVEN DAYS NOTICE BEFORE A MEETING.

THE FIRST MEETING SCHEDULED FOR THE EIGHTH.

THAT'S NEXT WEEK.

THAT'S WITHIN THE WINDOW.

EVERYONE SEES WHAT YOU'RE DOING HERE.

THANKS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

NEXT IS DONNA TUCKER SPEAKING ON AGENDA ITEM D2AND D3.

AND YOU DO LIVE IN THE DISTRICT.

40 YEARS NOW.

SO ON THE SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICT ISSUE, I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS.

IT DOES SEEM LIKE YOU'RE RUSHING IT THROUGH.

IT DOES SEEM LIKE A POLITICAL AGENDA.

BUT THAT BEING PUT ASIDE.

HOW DO YOU THINK CHANGING FROM SEVEN MEMBERS AT LARGE TO FIVE DISTRICT MEMBERS INTO AT LARGE WILL CHANGE ACADEMIC EXCELLENCE OR LOSS THAT WE'RE EXPERIENCING AND YOU'RE NOT ADDRESSING NOW? SO THE SAME THING COULD BE SAID FOR HOW WILL THE MOVE TO SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS ADDRESS SCHOOL SAFETY? AND ON THAT ISSUE TAKEN, YOU COULD TAKE EVERYBODY'S GUNS AWAY AND PEOPLE WOULD STILL KEEP PEOPLE WITH KNIVES.

YOU CAN TAKE EVERYBODY IN THE WHOLE WORLD ALL THE KNIVES AWAY.

AND PEOPLE WOULD KILL PEOPLE WITH ROCKS.

PEOPLE ARE INSANE AND THEY MURDER PEOPLE.

AND THAT BREAKS MY HEART.

BUT HOW WILL THE MOVE FROM SEVEN MEMBERS AT LARGE DO ANYTHING TO HELP US WITH SCHOOL SAFETY? HOW WILL IT DO ANYTHING TO SOLVE THE ISSUES OF THE FACT THAT SCHOOL BOARD AND SCHOOL DISTRICT POLICIES DO NOT AGREE WITH TEA'S POLICIES? HOW WOULD THAT CHANGE ANY OF THE ISSUES I'VE HEARD DISCUSSED OVER THE PAST FEW MONTHS?

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AND SO THIS SEEMS LIKE A WASTE OF TIME, A WASTE OF MONEY AND A GREAT INCONVENIENCE TO THE COMMUNITY THAT DOES NOT SUPPORT IT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

NEXT IS ORLANDO SALINAS SPEAKING ON AGENDA ITEM D2 AND D3.

AND YOU DO LIVE IN THE DISTRICT.

GOOD EVENING, MA'AM. THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH YOU ALL REGARDING THE PROPOSITION OF SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS HERE IN ROUND ROCK, TEXAS.

I'M AGNOSTIC TO SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS.

I BELIEVE IN EVIDENCE BASED MEDICINE, EVIDENCE BASED RESEARCH.

AND SO I THINK AN EVIDENCE BASED METHODOLOGY HERE IS WHAT'S NECESSITATED.

AND I FEEL THAT THAT IS BEING RUSHED GIVEN THE CURRENT PROPOSED TIMELINE.

LOOKING AT MAP A DISTRICT ONE WOULD HAVE A HISPANIC POPULATION OF 18,218 STUDENTS.

DISTRICT THREE WOULD HAVE A HISPANIC POPULATION OF 8845 STUDENTS, A DIFFERENCE OF ALMOST 10,000 STUDENTS.

AND MAP B DISTRICT ONE WOULD HAVE A HISPANIC POPULATION OF 18,218 STUDENTS.

DISTRICT THREE WOULD HAVE A HISPANIC POPULATION OF 8845 STUDENTS.

AGAIN, A DIFFERENCE OF ALMOST.

10,000 STUDENTS.

MAP C THIS IS THE CLOSEST ONE THAT WE HAVE TO SOME SORT OF EQUALITY DISTRICT.

ONE HAS A HISPANIC POPULATION OF 18,218 STUDENTS AND DISTRICT FIVE WOULD HAVE A HISPANIC POPULATION OF 9026 STUDENTS.

THERE'S A TERM FOR THIS.

IT'S CALLED VOTER DILUTION AND VOTER DISENFRANCHISEMENT.

WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME IS THAT HISPANICS AND DISTRICT THREE ARE NOT AS IMPORTANT AS HISPANICS IN DISTRICT ONE.

THIS IS A MAJOR CONCERN.

AND SOMETHING I WANT TO NOTE IS THAT IN 2017 AND 2018, 21% OF THE HISPANIC POPULATION DID NOT MEET TEST STANDARDS.

IN 2021, THAT HAS RISEN TO 36%.

I'M NOT FOR SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS.

I'M FOR THE SUCCESS OF ALL ROUND ROCK STUDENTS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

NEXT IS RICKY NELSON SPEAKING ON AGENDA ITEM D1, 2 AND 4.

AND YOU DO LIVE IN THE DISTRICT? I HOPE YOU'LL GIVE ME JUST A LITTLE BIT OF PATIENCE.

I KNOW I'M NOT ON YOUR SIDE, BUT THIS IS REALLY FREAKING HARD FOR ME.

SO GIVE ME A LITTLE GRACE TONIGHT, PLEASE.

I HAVE BEEN BARELY ABLE TO KEEP IT TOGETHER SINCE EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENED IN UVALDE.

EVERYTHING I HEAR IS EVERYTHING I HEARD WHEN I STOOD OUTSIDE AND WAITED FOR TWO AND A HALF HOURS FOR MY OLDEST SON TO WALK OUT FROM UNDER A KEVLAR BLANKET OUT OF HIS HIGH SCHOOL WITH HIS HANDS ABOVE HIS HEAD.

HE HAD TO LEAVE EVERYTHING BEHIND.

FAMILIES DIDN'T KNOW THEIR KIDS HAD DIED FOR 10 HOURS.

THEY LAID THERE. THEY DIED ALL ALONE.

I STOOD HERE.

YOU KNOW, THIS YOU KNOW THIS MOTHER KNOWS THIS.

BEGGING YOU TO DO THE VERY SIMPLEST THINGS TO INCREASE THE SECURITY ON THESE CAMPUSES.

IT WILL HAPPEN HERE.

AND EVERY ONE OF YOU WILL WANT TO CRAWL UNDER A ROCK BECAUSE IT WILL BE YOUR FAULT.

SMDS WILL NOT CHANGE.

THERE ARE SIMPLE THINGS THAT YOU CAN DO IN THIS BUDGET RIGHT NOW TODAY, YOU STILL DON'T DO.

WHY CAN'T WE HAVE IN THE BUDGET FROM YOU? THIS IS YOUR JOB. SCHOOL SAFETY IS ON YOU.

THIS IDEA CORY VESSA PUTS ON FACEBOOK THAT WE DON'T HAVE A SUPERINTENDENT.

THEREFORE, WE CAN'T ADDRESS THINGS.

I'M SORRY. THAT'S BULLSHIT.

THAT'S YOUR JOB. THAT'S YOUR JOB.

YOU GUYS HAVE GOT TO FOCUS ON THE THINGS THAT YOU CAN PUT IN THE BUDGET NOW BECAUSE WE KNOW WHAT'S OUT THERE DOESN'T WORK.

YOU COULD PUT INTO THE BUDGET LANYARDS THAT HAS TO COME FROM THE DISTRICT.

IT HAS TO BE IN POLICIES AND PROCEDURES SO THAT IT'S EQUIVALENT ACROSS THE BOARD.

ONE OF THE QUOTES FROM PRINCIPAL GROFF WAS WHAT DO STUDENT IDS DO? WHY DO YOU WEAR THEM? WHY DOES EVERYBODY THAT WORKS FOR THIS DISTRICT WEAR AN ID? IF OUR STUDENTS DON'T HAVE TO.

I'M STANDING UP HERE AND I'M DISGUSTED BY YOUR LIBERAL POLICIES ABOUT HOW WE HAVE TO DO ALL THESE OTHER THINGS.

BUT YOU DON'T WANT TO ADDRESS RIGHT NOW WHAT IS REALLY AFFECTING OUR STUDENTS.

BECAUSE IF THEY DIE ON THE FLOOR IN THAT CAMPUS SMDS DON'T MEAN CRAP, YOU NEED TO GO BACK TO WHAT'S IMPORTANT, BECAUSE IF YOU CAN'T PROTECT OUR STUDENTS, YOU'LL BE JUST LIKE THE SUPERINTENDENT FROM FLORIDA.

HE CAN'T GET A JOB, NOR CAN HE GET HIS RETIREMENT.

AND I WILL MAKE SURE YOU DON'T.

NEXT IS JEREMY STORY SPEAKING ON AGENDA ITEM D1, 2, 3 AND 4.

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SO THERE'S ONLY ONE THING THAT LINKS ALL THESE THINGS TOGETHER ON THE AGENDA.

THE PROPOSED BUDGET, FOR EXAMPLE, DOUBLES THE POLICE BUDGET FOR A POLICE FORCE THAT IS ALREADY INADEQUATE AND HAS DEMONSTRATED THAT THEY DO THINGS LIKE FALSELY ARRESTING CITIZENS. THEY DECLARE THAT THEY CAN'T INTERNALLY INVESTIGATE BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES.

AND YET WHEN THE SHERIFF WAS IN CHARGE, YOU SPENT LESS AND HAD MORE SECURITY.

THERE'S I COULD GO THROUGH EACH ONE OF THESE.

AND THE THING THAT TIES THEM ALL TOGETHER IS THIS BOARD'S DESIRE TO CONSPIRE TO MAINTAIN CONTROL AND TO SILENCE THOSE WHO OPPOSE THEM.

AND IF YOU CONTROL YOUR OWN POLICE FORCE, THEN YOU CAN USE IT AGAINST THE CITIZENS.

IF YOU CHANGE THE BOARD OPERATING PROCEDURES.

AND ON THE FOURTH, ONE OF YOUR CHANGES TONIGHT WOULD ACTUALLY MAKE IT HARDER FOR THE MINORITY BOARD MEMBERS TO BE ABLE TO PUT OR A MINORITY IF YOU HAVE A MINORITY OF BOARD MEMBERS TO BE ABLE TO PUT ON THE AGENDA.

NOW, THE BOARD WOULD HAVE TO HAVE CONSENSUS AS A WHOLE TO PUT SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA.

SO IT MAKES IT EVEN HARDER, BUT IT MAKES IT EASIER FOR YOU TO MAINTAIN CONTROL.

AND THEN IF YOU LOOK AT TWO AND THREE SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS, WHY NOW? WHY NOW IN THE MIDDLE OF UVALDE, YOU KNOW, WHERE I WAS LAST WEEKEND? DOING A MEMORIAL SERVICE FOR THOSE 19 KIDS IN UVALDE.

SO I WAS IN UVALDE, YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU GUYS WERE DOING THIS, TRYING TO MAINTAIN YOUR OWN POWER, YOUR OWN CONTROL, SO THAT EVERY TIME I COME HERE, I HAVE TO WONDER WHETHER YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO CONSPIRE AGAINST ME AGAIN AND ARREST ME AGAIN, WHETHER I CAN ACTUALLY SPEAK AGAIN.

ALL OF THESE THINGS HAVE ONE THING IN COMMON YOUR DESIRE FOR POWER AND CONTROL, YOUR DESIRE TO COVER UP YOUR MALFEASANCE, MR. AZAIEZ, AND TEA, YOU NEED TO GET DOWN HERE WITH A CONSERVATOR AND GET OUT OF JUST THE MONITOR STATUS.

THIS IS A DISTRICT IN CHAOS.

5500 STUDENTS LEAVING THE DISTRICT, TEACHERS LEAVING THE DISTRICT AND MASS, ADMINISTRATORS LEAVING THE DISTRICT EN MASSE.

OUR POLICE CHIEF GONE.

OUR ASSISTANT POLICE CHIEF GONE, OUR LEGAL COUNSEL GONE.

I'M SORRY, THIS NEEDS TO BE ON THE AGENDA ITEM.

HOLD ON, IT'S ON THE BUDGET. IT'S ALL RELEVANT AND YOU'VE LET PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THINGS OFF THE BUDGET ALL NIGHT LONG.

SO DON'T START WITH ME.

LISTEN, WE ARE IN FREEFALL.

THIS IS NOT THE RIGHT PRIORITY.

YOU NEED TO CHANGE YOUR COURSE NOW OR YOU WILL FACE MORE LAWSUITS AGAINST THIS SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICT.

NEXT IS ERIC NOMAD SPEAKING ON AGENDA ITEM D1 AND D4.

AND DO YOU LIVE IN THE DISTRICT, SIR? YOU DIDN'T FILL OUT IT ON YOUR FORM.

IS THAT REQUIRED IN ORDER TO SPEAK? NO. ALL RIGHT.

I AM SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF FOCUS ON EDUCATION, ON ITEMS D1 AND D2.

FOLKS ACROSS THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM ARE SAYING THAT SMD MAY BE A GOOD THING FOR ROUND ROCK, BUT IT IS A HUGE CHANGE THAT SHOULD BE CAREFULLY THOUGHT THROUGH.

SOME CONCERNS I'VE HEARD INCLUDE SMD WOULD LIKELY PIT EAST AGAINST WEST IN AN US VERSUS THEM NEGATIVE TRIBALISM SCENARIO.

SOME OTHER CONCERNS ARE THAT UNDERREPRESENTED COMMUNITIES MAY GET AN EVEN SMALLER VOICE AFTER SWITCHING TO SMD.

SMD MAY BE A GOOD THING, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE CAREFULLY CONSIDERED WITH AMPLE INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY.

FOLKS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE AGREE THAT THIS IS A DECISION THAT SHOULD NOT BE RUSHED LIKE THE MAJORITY OF THIS BOARD IS TRYING TO DO.

REGARDING THE PROPOSED BUDGET, THE TOPIC ON EVERYONE'S MINDS RIGHT NOW IS IS NOT SMD, IT'S SCHOOL SAFETY AND IN ROUND ROCK WE HAVE NO POLICE CHIEF, NO ASSISTANT CHIEF.

SINCE BOTH RESIGNED, WE HAVE NO SCHOOL POLICE FORCE.

WE HAVE A POLICE FORCE WITH NO LEADERSHIP.

AND THE MAJORITY OF THIS BOARD IS MORE CONCERNED WITH SURVIVING THE NEXT ELECTION THAN ENSURING THAT OUR STUDENTS SURVIVE ATTENDING SCHOOL.

IT'S CLEAR TO SEE THAT THE BOARD'S PRIORITIES WHAT THEY ARE BY HOW YOU SPEND YOUR TIME, 0 HOURS ON STUDENT OUTCOMES.

INSTEAD, THE BOARD MAJORITY SPENDS TIME TALKING ABOUT GIVING BILLION DOLLAR TAX BREAKS TO THEIR SPOUSE'S EMPLOYERS, AND RAMMING THROUGH SMD AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.

HOPING TO PRESERVE YOUR OWN POWER IN THE UPCOMING ELECTION.

AT FOCUSED ON EDUCATION. SOME OF OUR CORE VALUES ARE EQUAL OPPORTUNITY FOR EVERY STUDENT ENGAGING WITH THE COMMUNITY AND LISTENING TO THEM AND ETHICAL, TRANSPARENT DECISION MAKING. THESE VALUES ARE CLEARLY LACKING IN THE CURRENT BOARD MAJORITY, AND OUR GRASSROOTS MOVEMENT WILL WORK TIRELESSLY TO RESTORE THOSE VALUES.

THANK YOU. NEXT IS DON ZIMMERMAN SPEAKING ON AGENDA ITEM TWO AND THREE.

AND YOU DO LIVE IN THE DISTRICT.

DON ZIMMERMAN FROM CANYON CREEK AREA.

I WANT TO HOLD UP THE SIGN TO REMIND WHAT OTHERS HAVE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT.

WE SHOULD BE PROTECTING STUDENTS, NOT INCUMBENTS.

AND I ACTUALLY WANT TO THANK THE GOVERNMENT BUREAUCRATS WHO CONTROL THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND THE AGENDA.

THANK YOU FOR SHOWING US WHAT YOUR PRIORITIES ARE BY PUTTING PROTECTING THE INCUMBENT POWER AHEAD OF PROTECTING STUDENTS.

THANK YOU, GOVERNMENT BUREAUCRATS.

I APPRECIATE THAT. WHAT I WANT TO SAY QUICKLY ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE DOING WITH SMDS, I HAVE SOME EXPERIENCE WITH THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT.

WHEN I WAS ELECTED IN 2002 AS A PRESIDENT OF MY UTILITY DISTRICT, I MADE A PROMISE TO VOTERS THAT WE WOULD MOVE THE ELECTION FROM MR. JACK STIVERS GARAGE.

SOMEONE'S PRIVATE GARAGE IS WHERE MY MUD ELECTION WAS, AND WE WOULD MOVE IT TO THE CANYON CREEK ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, WHERE ALL THE OTHER ELECTIONS WERE.

LITTLE DID I KNOW AFTER I GOT ELECTED, I HAD TO GET PERMISSION FROM THE UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE TO MOVE THE POLLING PLACE

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I WAS ASTONISHED, SO I ENDED UP HIRING MR. GREG COLEMAN, A WORLD CLASS ATTORNEY.

STAY ON TOPIC. I'M ONE TOPIC.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SMDS.

WE'RE ON TOPIC HERE BECAUSE WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO WITH SMDS IS YOU'RE GOING TO RUN AFOUL OF THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT JUST LIKE WHAT HAPPENED IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

YOU ARE GOING TO RUN AFOUL.

YOU ARE GOING TO VIOLATE THESE UNBELIEVABLY COMPLEX RULES THAT REGARD THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT.

AND I KNOW THIS BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN TO THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT ON A VOTING RIGHTS CASE THAT CAME OUT OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE WON THE CASE.

I'M TELLING YOU, YOU'RE GOING TO RUN AFOUL OF THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT BECAUSE IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR YOU TO COMPLY WITH ALL THESE COMPLICATED RULES AND LAWS AND THE LIMITED TIME THAT YOU HAVE. SO.

DO NOT DO THIS CRAZY SMD BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE TIME TO GET IT DONE PROPERLY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEXT IS CHRISTY SLAPE SPEAKING ON AGENDA ITEMS D1, 2, 3 AND 4.

AND YOU DO LIVE IN THE DISTRICT.

HI. GOOD EVENING.

QUICKLY, I WANTED TO REFER TO D1 ABOUT THE PROPOSED BUDGET.

THIS WAS A TIMELY SITUATION.

MY DAUGHTER JUST CAME HOME FROM MIDDLE SCHOOL AND HER BACKPACK WEIGHED 21 POUNDS.

IT WAS SO HEAVY I HAD TO GO WEIGH IT.

IT WAS RIDICULOUS. WHEN I OPENED IT UP TO FIND OUT WHAT WAS INSIDE, I FOUND THIS WORKBOOK FROM HER LANGUAGE ARTS TEACHER.

IT HAS NEVER BEEN OPEN.

IT IS 600 PAGES THAT THEY NEVER USE AND THE ENTIRE CLASS, PROBABLY THE ENTIRE GRADE, WENT HOME WITH A BLANK BUG.

I THINK, DR.

XIAO, YOU PROBABLY WOULD APPRECIATE NOT HAVING THIS MUCH PAPER FLOATING AROUND THAT'S GOING TO BE WASTED AND RECYCLED.

BUT I THINK A WAY TO CARVE OFF SOME MONEY OUT OF THE BUDGET, SAVE US SOME MONEY, WOULD BE TO NOT WASTE ON SUPPLEMENTARY MATERIALS THAT AREN'T GOING TO BE USED.

SO THAT'S ONE THING. THE OTHER THING ABOUT SMD IS D1, I'M SORRY, D2 AND 3.

I AM PERSONALLY NOT IN FAVOR OF THE SMD BEFORE THE ELECTION.

I HAVE NOT DONE A LOT OF RESEARCH, BUT I KNOW SOMEONE WHO HAS AMBER FELLER SAID THAT SHE HAS DONE A LOT OF RESEARCH, SO I'M JUST GOING TO QUOTE SOMETHING THAT SHE SAID AT THE MAY 18TH BOARD MEETING.

SHE SAID THE SMDS COULD LEAD TO SOME QUESTIONS WITH TRUSTEE BONE AND TRUSTEE WESTON.

AND SHE SAID, QUOTE, I WOULD NOT WANT SOMETHING TO HAPPEN TO THEIR FOUR YEAR ELECTED SEAT AND I WOULDN'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN TO ME IF I WAS IN THAT POSITION.

SHE ALSO SAID THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THAT WE WOULD END UP HAVING A REPRESENTATIVE FROM EVERY SINGLE TRADITIONAL HIGH SCHOOL BECAUSE YOU CANNOT DRAW THE PLANS TO ENSURE THAT YOU HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM EACH ONE OF OUR HIGH SCHOOLS.

SHE ALSO SAID IT COULD LEAD TO LESS ENGAGEMENT FROM OTHER TRUSTEES AND WE ALL RUN FOR THE STUDENTS IN THE DISTRICT.

IT COULD ALSO LEAD TO PORK I HAVE TO BRING SO IT COULD LEAD TO PORK.

IF I RUN FOR AN AREA, THEN I HAVE TO BRING SOMETHING BACK TO THAT AREA SO THAT I GET REELECTED.

THIS IS A NONPARTISAN SEAT, SHE SAID.

THIS IS FOR ALL STUDENTS IN THE DISTRICT.

THEN FINALLY, SHE SAYS, THE ONLY BENEFIT THAT I SEE TO SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS IS IT'S EASIER TO GET ELECTED.

BUT THAT'S NOT REALLY WHY YOU RUN.

AND FINALLY, FOR D4 ABOUT THE BOARD OPERATING PROCEDURES, I WOULD JUST SAY THAT THE ONLY CHANGES THAT NEED TO BE MADE SHOULD DIRECTLY RELATE TO THE EDUCATION OF STUDENTS AND NOTHING MORE. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. NEXT IS JILL FARRIS SPEAKING ON AGENDA ITEM D2 AND 3.

AND YOU DO LIVE IN THE DISTRICT.

TWO WEEKS AGO, THIS BOARD DISCUSSED SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS FOR THE FIRST TIME IN ALMOST TWO YEARS.

THE AGENDA ITEM WAS REQUESTED BY TRUSTEE VESSA AND IN THAT MEETING ON MAY 18TH, VESSA STATED THAT HER VISION WAS ALWAYS TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERY PART OF OUR DISTRICT HAD REPRESENTATION ON THE BOARD.

SHE SAID THAT RIGHT NOW, AND IN YEARS PAST, WE JUST HAVE SOME COMMUNITIES THAT REMAIN UNREPRESENTED ON THIS BOARD.

AND THE TRUTH IS THOSE ARE THE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE MOSTLY OUR ECONOMICALLY DISADVANTAGED STUDENTS.

SHE ALSO SAID THAT SHE FELT LIKE IT WAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS HOW WE COULD IMPROVE THE EQUITY IN OUR DISTRICT AND STUDENT OUTCOMES FOR THOSE SCHOOLS WHO TRULY ARE STRUGGLING THE MOST BY MAKING SURE THEIR NEEDS ARE REPRESENTED BY A PERSON ON THE BOARD WHO LIVES IN THE COMMUNITY WHERE THE SCHOOLS ARE.

SHE ADDED RUNNING A DISTRICT WIDE CAMPAIGN IS ONEROUS AND I'M THINKING ABOUT TRYING TO BRING ON BOARD PEOPLE WHO ARE MORE REPRESENTATIVE OF OUR COMMUNITY.

SO TRUSTEE VESSA, WHY DIDN'T YOU BOTHER TO MENTION THAT YOU'RE THE REASON STONY POINT HAS NO REPRESENTATION? IT'S BECAUSE YOU TARGETED THEIR REPRESENTATIVE WHEN YOU LAUNCHED HER 2018 CAMPAIGN.

FOR WHATEVER REASON, YOU TARGETED THE ONLY AFRICAN AMERICAN TRUSTEE ON THE BOARD.

YOU DIDN'T CHOOSE TO RUN FOR THAT OPEN SEAT.

YOU DECIDED TO GO AFTER THE ONLY MINORITY TRUSTEE AT THE TIME.

YOU CHOSE TO RUN AGAINST THE ONLY TRUSTEE THAT LIVED IN THE STONY POINT LEARNING COMMUNITY.

THE COMMUNITY WITH THE HIGHEST PERCENTAGE OF ECONOMICALLY DISADVANTAGED AND NONWHITE STUDENTS HAD REPRESENTATION UNTIL YOU TOOK HIM OUT.

BASED ON YOUR ACTIONS, IT IS OBVIOUS THAT THE REASONS YOU CITED IN THAT MAY 18TH MEETING HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR DESIRE FOR SMDS.

YOU AREN'T INTERESTED IN DIVERSITY, REPRESENTATION, STUDENT EQUITY OR STUDENT OUTCOMES.

YOUR BLATANT POLITICAL AMBITION IS ON FULL DISPLAY.

YOU AREN'T FOOLING ANYONE.

YOU KNOW THAT YOU WILL LOSE A DISTRICT CAMPAIGN IN NOVEMBER AND THAT IS THE IMPETUS FOR SMDS.

THANK YOU. YOUR TIME IS EXPIRED.

OH, NO. OH, SORRY.

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NO, NO, NO.

HOLD ON 1/2. DID YOU HOLD UP THE RED SIGN? I APOLOGIZE. I JUST SAW THE RED SIGN.

OKAY, HOLD ON 1/2.

LET HER GET RESTARTED ON IT.

OKAY. MY APOLOGIES.

GO AHEAD. YOU KNOW THAT YOUR ONLY HOPE OF POSSIBLY BEING REELECTED IS TO CARVE UP OUR BELOVED SCHOOL DISTRICT WITH AN ATTORNEY'S KNIFE SO THAT YOU ONLY HAVE TO CAMPAIGN IN YOUR WEALTHY LITTLE BUBBLE.

HEAVEN FORBID YOU HAVE TO GO BACK OUT AND CAMPAIGN AMONG THE MASSES AND HEAR WHAT THEY ACTUALLY THINK ABOUT YOU.

AND IN AN ATTEMPT TO AVOID THAT UNPLEASANTNESS, YOU'RE WILLING TO DESTROY OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT.

YOU WANT TO DIVIDE FURTHER, DIVIDE THIS COMMUNITY IN PURSUIT OF YOUR OWN POLITICAL AMBITION.

TRUSTEE VESSA YOU'RE NOT PART OF THE SOLUTION FOR PUBLIC SCHOOLS.

YOU'RE PART OF THE PROBLEM.

OUR CHILDREN DESERVE A STATESMAN, NOT A SLEAZY POLITICIAN.

YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF.

THANK YOU. NEXT TO SHAWNA CUNNINGHAM SPEAKING ON AGENDA ITEM D2 AND 3.

AND YOU DO LIVE IN THE DISTRICT.

SHAWNA CUNNINGHAM.

NEXT IS DAVID GRANADO SPEAKING ON AGENDA ITEM D2 AND D3.

AND YOU DO LIVE IN THE DISTRICT.

SO WE'LL SAY IT'S PRETTY INFORMATIVE TO COME TO THESE THINGS AND FIND OUT ABOUT SECURITY ISSUES THAT WE'D PROBABLY BE TALKING ABOUT NOW.

BUT WE'RE NOT TRUSTEE, WE'RE TRUSTEE VESSA.

AND YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHY THIS HAS TO HAPPEN NOW.

WHY DO WE HAVE TO SLAM THIS THROUGH? AND I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE BROUGHT UP SEVERAL TIMES, YOU KNOW, EVEN TRUSTEE XIAO YOU BROUGHT UP THAT THIS WAS A THING YOU'VE WANTED FOR QUITE A LONG TIME AND THERE WERE THINGS OUTSIDE OF YOUR CONTROL THAT KEPT IT FROM GETTING ON TO THE AGENDA.

I GET THAT. BUT THAT'S NOT A REASON TO COMPRESS THE TIMELINE TO WHAT DURING THE YEAR WOULD BE AN EXTREMELY AGGRESSIVE TIMELINE.

AND HERE WE ARE DURING THE SUMMER WHEN HALF THE PEOPLE ARE LOOKING AWAY AND WE'RE GOING TO COMPLETELY REFORM EVERYTHING? AGAIN, LIKE MANY PEOPLE SAID, THIS MIGHT BE THE BEST THING EVER.

I DON'T KNOW. I'D LIKE TO HEAR MORE.

BUT NOW IS REALLY NOT THE TIME, NOT EVEN THE SUMMER.

THAT BEING NOT A THING I'M TALKING ABOUT JUST THE TURMOIL THAT WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF AT THIS TIME TO INTRODUCE SUCH A MASSIVE CHANGE.

AND THEN TO ADD TO THAT, I MEAN, RIGHT NOW, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THE ONLY ONES UP FOR REELECTION ARE TRUSTEE, BONE, WESTON AND XIAO.

AND XIAO, YOU'VE RETIRED THREE TIMES.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE PLAYING WOW RIGHT NOW.

I HAVE NO IDEA, BUT.

OH, SO, SO REALLY IT ONLY FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES AFFECTS TRUSTEES BONE AND WESTON, WHICH LOOKS REALLY BAD.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE REASON THAT YOU'RE DOING THIS AND PUSHING IT THROUGH SO AGGRESSIVELY, BUT I MEAN, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE THAT CYNICAL TO THINK THAT'S PROBABLY NOT A COINCIDENCE. AND THEN I DON'T KNOW HOW IT'S GETTING THROUGH SO FAST.

I DON'T KNOW IF THE RESISTANCE WAS PERFORMATIVE, BUT WE HAVE THINGS THAT EVERYBODY'S AGREED ON, WHETHER THEY'RE IN YELLOW SHIRTS OR MASKS BACK HERE.

PEOPLE HAVE BROUGHT UP THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT, ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF, YOU KNOW, STUFF THAT'S BEEN GOING ON.

AND THERE HAVE BEEN THINGS ABOUT THIS THAT ARE NOT BUDGETARY RELATED, THAT PEOPLE ARE, YOU KNOW, ASKING QUESTIONS.

SO JUST HOPING WE CAN JUST AVOID THIS WHOLE TRAGEDY OF CHANGING OUR ELECTION SYSTEM.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

NEXT IS KATHLEEN AND I DON'T HAVE A LAST NAME.

KATHLEEN SPEAKING ON AGENDA ITEM D1.

HI. CAN I GET YOUR LAST NAME? I'M SORRY. I SAY ONE MORE TIME.

BUCHANAN. BUCHANAN.

THANK YOU. BUCHANAN. IT CAME OUT.

KATHLEEN. KATHLEEN.

I DON'T KNOW WHY, BUT WORRIES AS LONG AS YOU GO AHEAD.

I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

I WANTED TO ADDRESS THE BOARD ABOUT THE PROPOSED BUDGET ITEM D1 IN THE 2018 BOND.

MONEY WAS APPROVED AND MONEY HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROPRIATED FOR A PHYSICAL STRUCTURE TO BE BUILT FOR THE EARLY COLLEGE HIGH SCHOOL.

WEATHER IS NOT A POLITICAL ISSUE, BUT WEATHER IS AN ISSUE THAT'S AFFECTING OUR AREA.

MORE RECENTLY, WE'VE HAD MANY TORNADOES AND SEVERE WEATHER EVENTS, AND HAVING THE CHILDREN IN PORTABLES FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME PUTS THEM AND STAFF IN DANGER AND EXTREME WEATHER EVENTS AND ALSO MAKES IT MORE DIFFICULT FOR DISABLED CHILDREN AND STAFF TO MOVE BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS FOR ACCESSIBILITY.

THIS, THE ROUND ROCK AUSTIN COMMUNITY COLLEGE CAMPUS IS A BEAUTIFUL JEWEL OF A CAMPUS AND THE PORTABLES THAT STILL SAY ROUND ROCK ISD EARLY COLLEGE HIGH SCHOOL.

FOUR YEARS AFTER THE BOND MONEY WAS APPROVED FOR THE BUDGET TO CONSTRUCT A BUILDING DOES NOT LOOK GOOD.

IT'S NOT GOING TO LOOK GOOD FOR OUR COMMUNITY, FOR RECRUITING PURPOSES, FOR BUSINESS PURPOSES, FOR OUR KIDS WHO ARE LOOKING BEYOND THEIR

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SO I WOULD ASK YOU TO PLEASE.

PUT SOME INTEGRITY INTO THE PROMISES MADE IN THE MONEY THAT THE TAXPAYERS AND THE VOTERS APPROVED IN THE 2018 BOND PACKAGE.

AND PLEASE PRIORITIZE BUILDING A PHYSICAL STRUCTURE.

EARLY COLLEGE HIGH SCHOOL THAT SHOULD HAVE ALREADY STARTED WAS SUPPOSED TO BREAK GROUND IN 2021.

WE'RE NOW GETTING READY TO HEAD INTO 2022-23.

SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

NEXT IS Q TRANG SPEAKING ON AGENDA ITEM TWO THREE AND YOU DO LIVE IN THE DISTRICT.

SO I'D LIKE FOR YOU TO THINK OF THIS QUESTION WHAT ARE WE IN THE BUSINESS OF DOING? WE ARE IN THE BUSINESS OF TEACHING OUR STUDENTS AND WE'RE FAILING AT THAT.

HOW DO WE KNOW? BECAUSE 10% OF YOUR STUDENTS LEFT, THEY'VE VOTED WITH THEIR FEET.

THEY LEFT THE DISTRICT.

THEY'D RATHER GO TO A SCHOOL, CHARTER SCHOOL OR ANY OTHER DISTRICT.

BUT HERE. ANYWHERE UP HERE.

WHAT ELSE? THERE'S ALSO A MASS EXODUS OF TEACHERS.

AND WHAT ARE WE HERE TALKING ABOUT TODAY? SMD WHY IS IT SO IMPORTANT TO US, TO YOU GUYS? IT'S NOT IMPORTANT TO US OR THE TWO TRUSTEES WHO ARE NOT UP FOR ELECTIONS.

IT'S IMPORTANT FOR SOMEONE, SOME PARTICULAR PERSONS IN THIS ROOM.

AND. I GUESS SOME OF HER COWORKERS AS WELL, BECAUSE THAT'S HOW YOU GOT IT TO BE PRIORITIZED.

THE AGENDA FOR TODAY IS TELLING US ONE THING.

YOU'VE GOTTEN THIS BOARD TONE DEAF TO THE COMMUNITY.

YOU'RE NOT HEARING US.

YOU'RE NOT. YOU HAVEN'T LEARNED A THING FROM WHAT'S GOING ON.

AND YOU DON'T CARE, OBVIOUSLY, BECAUSE YOU'RE TRYING TO RAM THIS THROUGHOUT THE ROAD.

WITHIN TWO MONTHS.

MAY, JUNE, JULY.

APPROVE. LESS THAN FIVE MONTHS.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AN ELECTION AND PERSON FELLER IF YOU THINK IT'S NOT FAIR FOR TRUSTEE BONE AND WESTON, THEN IF YOU ARE GOING TO GO THROUGH WITH THIS, THEN MAYBE LEAVE THEM ON THE BOARD AS AN AT LARGE TRUSTEES.

AND SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO RUN FOR REELECTION AGAIN BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT UP FOR REELECTION, LIKE YOU SAID.

AND IT'S ONLY FAIR IF WE DO THAT.

IF WE DO THAT, MAYBE I'LL BE OKAY WITH THIS WHOLE SMD THING.

THANK YOU. NEXT IS LINDSEY LIDDIARD SPEAKING ON AGENDA ITEM ONE, TWO AND THREE.

AND YOU DO LIVE IN THE DISTRICT? YES. SO QUICKLY ON SMD.

NOW IS THE TIME TO DISCUSS POSSIBLY TRANSITIONING TO THIS AS WE NOW FINALLY HAVE CENSUS DATA AVAILABLE.

AND I DO THINK THAT THEY COULD ACTUALLY IMPACT STUDENT OUTCOMES.

I ALSO REALIZE THIS IS AN ELECTION YEAR, SO IT NEEDS TO BE HANDLED FAIRLY.

I LOOK FORWARD TO THE DISCUSSION AND COMMUNITY FORUMS AROUND THIS TOPIC, BUT I DO ENCOURAGE THE DISTRICT, THE BOARD TO CONSIDER WHETHER IT IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE DISTRICT FOR IT TO HAPPEN BEFORE NOVEMBER.

AND IF IT ISN'T, PLEASE WORK TO LAY OUT A TIMELINE THAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE FOR OUR DISTRICT TO ADOPT THIS AND WHAT THE TRANSITION WILL LOOK LIKE.

NOW BACK TO THE BUDGET, WHICH IS HONESTLY SUPER IMPORTANT, IS I'M HERE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE BUDGET PRESENTATION THAT WAS POSTED IN THE AGENDA.

IT DOES LOOK LIKE THIS INCORPORATES THE RECOMMENDED CHANGES FROM THE MAY 19TH BUDGET TO INCORPORATE INNOVATIVE AND CREATIVE WAYS TO SUPPORT OUR TEACHERS.

I HOPE YOU WILL VOTE TO ADOPT THIS BUDGET WHICH DOES THE FOLLOWING YOU COVER THE COST OF INSURANCE INCREASES AND OFFERING A STIPEND TO HELP WITH RISING HOUSING COSTS.

PROVIDING RETENTION BONUSES TO OUR LONG TERM SERVING TEACHERS.

YOU SET A MINIMUM A $15 MINIMUM WAGE DISTRICT WIDE.

YOU PROVIDE THE HIGHEST RAISES OUR TEACHERS AND EAS HAVE SEEN IN YEARS, ALL WHILE LOWERING BOTH THE M&O AND THE INS TAX RATES, RESULTING IN A DECREASE IN THE RATE OF 5.74%. THAT IS IMPRESSIVE.

IT'S WORTH POINTING OUT THAT DESPITE WHAT SOME MIGHT SUGGEST, CUTTING OUR POLICE FORCE AND RETURNING TO A WILCO PROVIDED SRO MODEL WILL NOT SAVE US MONEY.

ROUND ROCK ISD FOLLOWED THE SAME MODEL OF ALL SURROUNDING DISTRICTS AFTER THE 2019 LEGISLATIVE SESSION, THAT INCREASED MENTAL HEALTH AND POLICING FUNDING BY THE STATE IN RESPONSE TO THE SANTA FE HIGH SCHOOL SHOOTING.

THESE TWO AREAS ARE LINKED TOGETHER AND WORK TOGETHER TO PROVIDE BOTH MENTAL HEALTH AND SECURITY TO OUR DISTRICT THAT IS NEEDED.

I ALSO WANT TO REITERATE THAT IT'S EASY TO CALL FOR AN EVEN LOWER TAX RATE, SUGGESTING THE STATE WILL MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE WITHOUT FULLY EXPLAINING THAT THE TEA LIMITS OUR

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THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OUR LAST SPEAKER OF THE NIGHT IS VIRTUAL, PAUL KLOPPE SPEAKING ON AGENDA ITEM D1.

AND YOU DO LIVE IN THE DISTRICT.

PAUL KLOPPE.

CAN YOU HEAR US, MR. KLOPP? PAUL KLOPPE, CAN YOU HEAR US? MS. CAPITO, CAN YOU SEE IF WE HAVE ANY TECHNOLOGY ISSUES? THERE YOU ARE. THERE IS.

I CAN'T HEAR YOU.

ARE YOU ON MUTE? OKAY. HOLD ON. I CAN'T HEAR YOU YET.

CAN YOU HEAR US? IT'S ON HIS END. MR. KLOPPE.

WHILE WE'RE WORKING ON THAT, THE ONLY PERSON WHO DID NOT PRESENT WHEN THEIR NAME WAS CALLED WAS SHAWNA CUNNINGHAM.

SHE HERE? OKAY. MR. KLOPPE, CAN YOU HEAR US? I'M GOING TO HAVE TO MOVE ON IF WE CAN'T GET THE TECHNOLOGY ISSUES FIGURED OUT HERE PRETTY QUICKLY.

LAST CALL, MR. KLOPPE. OKAY.

WE'RE GOING TO END PUBLIC COMMENTS.

OH, CAN YOU HEAR ME? I CANNOT HEAR YOU.

YEAH. I'M SORRY. I CAN'T HEAR YOU.

CAN I ASK YOU TO PUT YOUR COMMENTS IN, IN AN EMAIL AND SEND IT TO THE BOARD? I APPRECIATE IT.

I'M SORRY THAT TECHNOLOGY WAS AN ISSUE TONIGHT.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT.

[D. DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ITEMS]

DR. AZAIEZ.

GOOD EVENING. I THINK GOOD EVENING AND FELLOW TRUSTEES, WE ARE COMING TO YOU TONIGHT WITH ANOTHER UPDATE, HOPEFULLY OUR FINAL UPDATE BEFORE ACTUALLY BRINGING IN THE FULL BUDGET FOR YOU, HOPEFULLY YOUR APPROVAL AND THE JUNE 16 BOARD MEETING.

SO WITH US IS DENNIS AND THE TEAM, I THINK TO PRESENT WITH US ANOTHER UPDATE.

GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR.

TRUSTEE, SUPERINTENDENT.

TONIGHT WE'RE HERE TO BRING A PROPOSED ADJUSTMENT TO THE SUPERINTENDENT'S BUDGET THAT WE PRESENTED IN MAY.

THE CHANGE IS IN THE I&S BUDGET, AND I'LL REVIEW THAT IN A MINUTE.

NEXT SLIDE. AS YOU CAN SEE HIGHLIGHTED IN GREEN, THERE ARE NO CHANGES TO THE BUDGET THAT'S PROPOSED.

NEXT SLIDE, WE BROUGHT THE PROPOSAL WHERE OUR REVENUES CAME WAS PROPOSED AT 518 MILLION.

THE TOTAL EXPENSE, THE SAME WITH A BALANCED BUDGET AND WITH A 3 MILLION MEDICAL INSURANCE OUT OF FUND BALANCE.

THAT HAS NOT CHANGED.

AND THE 0.8546 M&O RATE IS OUR EMS MCP MAXIMUM COMPRESSION RATE SET BY THE STATE, PLUS THE FIVE GOLDEN PENNIES.

NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS A PROPOSED CHANGE PORTION OF THE BUDGET.

ACTUALLY HIGHLIGHTING AND GREENING THE I&S RATE, WE'RE PROPOSING TO LOWER IT BY 2.61 PENNIES TO COVER THE DEBT AND THE $6 MILLION DEFEASANCE PAYMENT.

NEXT. SO TO CHANGE, AS YOU CAN SEE THAT WE HAVE BROUGHT BEFORE THE

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AND THAT'S PROPOSED AS LOW AS WE CAN GO, BECAUSE IF YOU GO LOWER THAN THAT, WE MAY NOT HAVE ENOUGH DEPENDING ON REVENUES TO COVER THE DEBT.

AND WE IN MY READING, IT'S SORT OF DIFFICULT TO RAISE THE RATE ONCE YOU ALL HAVE APPROVED IT.

SO 2139 IS THE SUGGESTED RATE AT THIS TIME.

NEXT SLIDE. SO IF YOU LOOK AT TOTAL TAX RATE FOR THE 22-23 SCHOOL YEAR.

WE'RE PROPOSING A 0.8546 M&O RATE, 0.2139.

I&S RATE COMBINED, THAT LOWERS THE TAX RATE BY 6.51 PENNIES FOR THE YEAR.

ON THE FOOD SERVICE BUDGET.

IT'S REALLY NO CHANGE EXCEPT THAT WE BROKE OUT THE 7000.

I MEAN, THE 7,175,000 IN BETWEEN THE FEDERAL AND STATE PROGRAM, THE TOTAL NUMBER DID NOT CHANGE.

AND MADAM CHAIR, THAT IS THE UPDATE ON THE PROPOSED BUDGET.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

TRUSTEE VESSA. THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. COVINGTON. I WAS JUST WONDERING IF YOU COULD GIVE US AN UPDATE ON RECAPTURE FOR THIS YEAR.

DO WE DO WE HAVE ANY MORE CERTAINTY AS TO WHAT OUR RECAPTURE PAYMENTS ARE GOING TO BE FOR THIS? NOT IN THE COMING YEAR AND NO, THE COMING YEAR IS LOOKING AT SOMEWHERE TO LAST.

JUST REAL QUICK, CAN WE ASK THAT SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PROPOSED BUDGET, CAN WE TALK ABOUT CURRENT EXPENDITURES? I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE THIS IS ONLY ON THE PROPOSED BUDGET AND SHE'S ASKING ABOUT AN EXPENSE FOR THIS YEAR'S BUDGET.

WELL, IT SHOULD BE OKAY. IT'S ON.

IT'S LINKED AND IT'S ON THE SLIDE.

THAT'S FINE. OKAY. JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE.

YEAH. THE LAST PROJECTION THAT WE LOOKED AT, IT'LL BE ABOUT 48 MILLION.

OKAY. AND THEN ALSO ON THIS SLIDE WAS OUR OUR DEFICIT FOR THIS YEAR.

AND, YOU KNOW, YOU HAD SAID THAT YOU THOUGHT IT WOULD BE LOWER THAN 17.2 MILLION AT THE NEXT BOARD MEETING. I WILL BRING YOU ALL THE UPDATE ON THIS YEAR'S CURRENT PROJECTION.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

AND IT IS LOWER.

I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT NUMBER YET.

I DON'T TRUSTEE BONE.

I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS. ONE OF THEM IS, DID YOU PULL IN THE CAPITAL PROJECTS INTO THE M.A.

OR IS THAT STILL SEPARATE? THAT'S STILL SEPARATE.

OKAY. I WOULD LIKE TO GET CONSENSUS FROM THIS BOARD TO PULL THAT BACK INTO ANY PRESENTATION THAT WE'RE GIVEN ON THEM IN A BUDGET.

AND THAT IS OBVIOUSLY FOR TRANSPARENCY.

TO ME, THAT HAS BEEN A COMPLAINT FROM THIS COMMUNITY FOR MANY YEARS.

I KNOW MANY OF US HAVE PEOPLE THAT HAVE COMPLAINED TO US ABOUT THIS, THAT THAT IS LIKE HIDDEN MONEY.

AND IF YOU GO TO SLIDE THREE, YOU WILL SEE THAT THERE'S A TRANSFER FROM THIS CAPITAL PROJECTS FOR CTE 57.

IT'S 5.7 MILLION, RIGHT.

AND IT'S JUST ALL OF A SUDDEN IT'S LIKE THIS IMAGINARY MONEY THAT SHOWS UP.

SO I WOULD I WOULD LIKE CONSENSUS FROM THIS BOARD THAT WE ASKED THE ADMINISTRATION THAT ANY MONEY LIKE THIS, BECAUSE THIS IS IMMINENT MONEY, IT JUST IMAGINE IT CAN'T IMAGINE YOU SHOW UP AND WE ONLY HAVE THREE BUDGETS.

SO I WOULD ASK THAT ANY MONEY LIKE THIS BE SHOWN ON THESE SLIDES IN THE BUDGET.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO DO THAT TONIGHT, BUT I WOULD LIKE THIS BOARD JUST TAKE THAT ONE STEP TOWARDS TRANSPARENCY.

WOULD IT BE OKAY IF IT WAS ITS OWN SHEET LIKE WE DO FOOD SERVICES AND JUST HAVE THE CAPITAL? YEAH. THAT'S HOW WE USED TO GET IT.

THE ONLY PROBLEM I HAVE WITH THAT IS THAT AS SOMEBODY THAT USED TO SIT OUT IN THE AUDIENCE IS THAT I THINK PEOPLE GET CONFUSED THEN THAT IT'S ACTUALLY M.A.

MONEY THAT WE CAN PULL INTO M.A.

ANY TIME. LIKE WHEN WE HAD THE CTE ISSUE WHERE WE NEEDED MONEY TO COVER THE CTE COSTS, WE WERE ABLE TO IMMEDIATELY PULL THAT IN.

SO I THINK IT'S JUST I WOULD BE FINE IF IT'S REPRESENTED, BUT SOMEHOW I JUST NEEDED TO SAY LIKE THIS IS PART OF THE BUDGET THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY USE THIS AS A MINNOW JUST FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE TRYING TO FOLLOW ALONG, THAT THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT MONEY THE DISTRICT HAS AND WHAT THEY DON'T, WHAT WE DON'T.

AND I WOULD HONESTLY, IF WE'RE GOING DOWN THE LINE, I WOULD LIKE THAT TO I MEAN, WE USED TO KIND OF GET IT AS A SEPARATE ONE AND THEN WE WOULD ALSO SEE WHAT HAD BEEN PULLED OUT OF IT. UM.

ON A ON A MONTHLY BASIS WITH OUR BUDGET.

CAN I CLARIFY I KNOW YOU SPOKE TO THIS BRIEFLY LAST TIME, BUT WHY?

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IF THAT, WHAT'S THE PURPOSE FOR HAVING IT SEPARATE IN YOUR PURVIEW? THE FUND WAS SET UP AS A FUND BALANCE APPROPRIATION, MEANING YOU ALL CAME TO THE DECISION TO TO APPROPRIATE OUT OF FUND BALANCE THIS POT OF MONEY AND THEN THAT POT OF MONEY SITS THERE UNTIL IT'S ALL GONE OR UNTIL YOU PUT MORE MONEY INTO IT AS YOU'RE DONE BEFORE.

THERE'S BEEN THREE FUND BALANCE APPROPRIATIONS INTO THE CAPITAL PROJECTS FUND.

IT WOULD TAKE ANOTHER BOARD ACTION TO MOVE THE MONEY BACK OUT OF THERE.

AND THAT'S WHY IT'S NOT A PART OF THE BUDGET THAT YOU ADDRESS EVERY YEAR, BECAUSE THAT MONEY HAS ALREADY BEEN SET ASIDE.

SO THAT MONEY HAS ALREADY BEEN BUDGETED.

SO IF WE SEE THAT SEPARATELY, I MEAN, THAT DOESN'T MESS UP ANYTHING THAT YOU'RE DOING, RIGHT? OH, NO. I MEAN, I CAN SHOW IT TO YOU.

IT'S NOT A SECRET.

OKAY, PERFECT. I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF BEING ABLE TO SEE IT.

THANK YOU. BUT I UNDERSTAND.

SO PEOPLE UNDERSTAND.

IT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROPRIATED. IT'S ALREADY BEEN MOVED.

IT'S ALREADY BEEN BUDGETED IN A PRIOR YEAR.

IT'S NOT MAYBE BEST PRACTICE.

JUST MOVE IT BACK AND FORTH.

IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? CORRECT.

THANK YOU. IF I CAN EXPLAIN IT A BIT MORE, IT'S KIND OF LIKE A RESERVE FUNDS THAT YOU HAVE OR THE DISTRICT DECIDED TO START THIS, I THINK BACK IN 2018, 2019 SCHOOL YEAR, AND THEY PUT SOME MONEY ON THE SIDE.

SO IN CASE, LET'S SAY IT BREAKS DOWN OR WE HAVE TO REPLACE THE ROOF BECAUSE IT'S LEAKING.

SO IT'S JUST THE RESERVE FUNDS, IT JUST WILL BE THERE JUST IN CASE OF EMERGENCY LIKE THAT.

RIGHT. AND SO THE DISTRICT OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS SPENT SOME OF IT AND THEN PUT SOME MONEY INTO THIS AGAIN, JUST TO BUT AGAIN, WE'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO SHARE JUST THE RESERVE FUNDS THAT PUT ON THE SIDE FOR THOSE KIND OF EMERGENCY.

PRETTY MUCH. THANK YOU.

I'D BE IN FAVOR OF SEEING IT.

JUST WANT CLARITY AROUND WHY IT'S SEPARATE.

THANK YOU. AND I WOULD MAKE FOUR, SO THAT'S ENOUGH FOR A CONSENSUS.

BUT I JUST WANTED ONE CLARIFICATION.

THIS THE CAP PROJECT FUND WAS NEVER AN IMO MONEY.

WE'VE RUN IT AND WE'VE OPERATED IN A NEGATIVE BUDGET FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS.

SO THIS MONEY WAS TAKEN OUT OF FUND BALANCE AND NOT OUT OF M.A.

EVER. CORRECT, CORRECT.

OKAY. THAT'S I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE CLEAR THAT THIS WASN'T IMMINENT MONEY THAT WE HAD TAKEN OUT AND ARE NOT ACCOUNTING FOR ANYMORE.

IT WAS FUN BALANCE MONEY THAT WAS TAKEN OUT SPECIFICALLY FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT TYPE THINGS.

CORRECT. CORRECT. OKAY.

VERY GOOD. NEXT IS TRUSTEE WEIR.

I ACTUALLY HAD I HAD MORE QUESTIONS.

I'M SORRY. SORRY. I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT.

WELL, THEN I JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR.

IF IT DIDN'T COME FROM M.A., WHERE DID THAT MONEY COME FROM AGAIN? FUND BALANCE AND WHERE DOES THE FUND BALANCE COME FROM? MR. COVINGTON WE'RE JUST FUND BALANCE COME FROM OUR SUMIT COME FROM M.A..

OKAY. THANK YOU. I JUST.

SO WHAT IT IS, IS IT'S NOT CURRENT YEAR FUNDS.

RIGHT. IT'S IT'S PREVIOUS YEAR FUNDS.

LIKE THERE WAS A SURPLUS IN THE BUDGET AND WE DECIDED TO ALLOCATE IT FOR EMERGENCIES FOR FUTURE YEARS BECAUSE THE WAY WE WORK IN A BI ANNUAL LEGISLATURE.

SO THEY, THEY, THEY INCREASE THE BASIC ALLOTMENT OR THEY APPROVE MORE FUNDS FOR ONE YEAR, BUT THEN THEY DON'T APPROVE MORE FUNDS.

THE NEXT YEAR YOU GET THE SAME.

AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE PATTERN, SOMETIMES YOU GO FOR SIX YEARS BEFORE YOU GET AN INCREASE.

SO WHEN YOU HAVE A LITTLE BIT EXTRA, YOU'VE GOT TO PUT SOME ASIDE TO COVER EMERGENCY APPROPRIATIONS BECAUSE EVENTUALLY BY THE TIME YOU GET TO THE POINT WHERE THEY FINALLY INCREASE THE BASIC ALLOTMENT YOU'RE RUNNING, YOU'RE RUNNING A SIGNIFICANT DEFICIT BECAUSE SO IT'S THIS IT'S BECAUSE WE HAVE A LEGISLATURE THAT DOESN'T NEED ALL THE TIME AND WE HAVE TO PUT MONEY ASIDE.

SO IT'S NOT LIKE IT CAME IN THIS YEAR AND WE PUT IT IN THIS SPECIAL FUND.

NO, NO, THIS IS FROM YEARS AGO.

AND WE HAD A LITTLE EXTRA AND WE PUT IT IN THERE AND THEN WE WE ACTUALLY ALLOTTED SOME OF THE FUND BALANCE TO PUT IT IN THERE, JUST SO THAT WHEN EMERGENCIES HAPPENED, WE HAD A FUND TO PULL FROM BECAUSE EMERGENCIES DO HAPPEN, JUST LIKE THINGS HAPPEN IN OUR OWN LIVES.

WE HAVE THINGS THAT HAPPEN AND WE HAVE TO APPROPRIATE MONEY.

AND THIS IS AN ACCOUNT THAT'S SET ASIDE FOR THAT.

I APPRECIATE THAT. I JUST IT'S JUST LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE A SAVINGS ACCOUNT.

SO BUT I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE IT.

I THINK WE GOT THE CONSENSUS THAT WE I JUST WANTED TO CLEAR UP THAT PEOPLE THINK THAT THERE'S NO LIKE, YOU KNOW, LACK OF TRANSPARENCY OR MALFEASANCE AT ALL GOING ON HERE.

THIS IS JUST A PRUDENT, PRUDENT BUDGETING TECHNIQUE TO TO TRY TO TO TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE MONEY SET ASIDE FOR EMERGENCIES. AND SO NOW IT'LL JUST BE INCLUDED IN ALL THE PRESENTATIONS.

SO I APPRECIATE THAT AND I THINK THE OTHER TRUSTEES.

SO THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD IS AND I KNOW I'M HAVING A MEETING WITH YOU NEXT WEEK, WHICH I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME TO GET SOME MORE DETAILED QUESTIONS ANSWERED.

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THIS COMES OUT EVERY YEAR IN THE CERTIFIED ANNUAL FINANCIAL REPORT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE BEFORE WE APPROVE THE BUDGET WHAT OUR DIRECT EXPENSES TO EDUCATION WILL BE AND THE PERCENTAGE OF THAT WITH THIS BUDGET.

BECAUSE I KNOW FOR THE PAST FEW YEARS THAT NUMBER, THE PERCENTAGE ACTUALLY HAS BEEN GOING DOWN IN OUR DISTRICT AND I BELIEVE IT WAS SOMEWHERE AROUND 69%.

I'M PULLING THAT FROM MY MEMORY, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THAT BEFORE WE APPROVE THE BUDGET, JUST TO UNDERSTAND THOSE DIRECT EDUCATIONAL EXPENSES AND WHAT WE'RE SPENDING OUR MONEY ON IN THE BUDGET.

OKAY. QUESTION. WHAT DETERMINES DIRECT EXPENSE.

LIKE I SAID THAT'S IN THE KAFER THE THE CERTIFIED ANNUAL FINANCIAL REPORT AND I'M NOT FOR SURE I CAN'T TELL YOU I'M THAT'S NOT MY AREA OF EXPERTIZE SO. DO YOU WANT TO WORK ON THAT? YEAH, I CAN. YEAH, YEAH.

I'M NOT NORMALLY SEEING A CATEGORY BROKEN OUT THIS DIRECT, BUT WE'LL WORK ON IT.

YEAH, I CAN. I'LL GIVE YOU THE PAGE NUMBER AND EXACTLY WHERE IT WAS LAST YEAR, AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE THAT.

AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE A VERY GOOD INDICATOR FOR THE BOARD.

SO WE CAN ALL SEE HOW WE'RE TRENDING ON OUR DIRECT EXPENSES.

AND THEN I DID I APPRECIATE THIS, BUT THE ONE THING THAT I THINK IS MISSING, ESPECIALLY FOR OUR LSG AND WHAT WE'RE DOING IS TYING THIS BUDGET AGAIN TO TO OUR VALUES AND HOW OUR BUDGET IS DRAWING, YOU KNOW.

I KNOW WE DID A LOT OF THINGS FOR TEACHERS, BUT HOW IS THIS GOING TO IMPROVE OUR STUDENT OUTCOMES NEXT YEAR? AND I THINK THAT'S A DISCUSSION THAT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE, AND I WAS KIND OF EXPECTING IT IN THE PRESENTATION TONIGHT.

BUT IT'S ONE THING THAT WE HAVEN'T TIED THIS BUDGET NECESSARILY TO STUDENT OUTCOMES FOR NEXT YEAR.

SO I WOULD KIND OF LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION ON THE BUDGET AND HOW IT'S GOING TO TIED TO DIRECT STUDENT OUTCOMES NEXT YEAR.

IS THAT THE END OF YOUR QUESTIONS? THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. OKAY, GREAT.

NEXT IS TRUSTEE WEIR.

ACTUALLY, THE LAST QUESTION WAS KIND OF THE SAME THAT I HAD.

I WAS AND I WAS GOING TO ASK IF WE WERE GOING TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT THAT WHEN WE DO OUR GOALS AND STUFF.

BUT THAT WILL BE AFTER WE'VE APPROVED IT.

SO I WAS KIND OF CURIOUS HOW THIS WAS GOING TO TIE INTO OUR GOALS.

AND I KNOW THAT YOU'VE DONE LSG IN ANOTHER DISTRICT, SO YOU MAY HAVE AN IDEA OF HOW YOU PRESENT THAT, BECAUSE I KNOW OUR BIGGEST EXPENSES ARE TEACHERS AND OUR GOALS ARE TO GET OUR STUDENTS, OUR STUDENT ACHIEVEMENT UP.

AND THAT DOES COME FROM TEACHERS.

BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A MORE DIRECT CORRELATION THAT.

WELL, DEFINITELY WE CAN.

I THINK PART OF IT IS ALSO WHAT WE DID WITH CAM WHEN IT COMES TO COMPENSATION, WE ALMOST ALLOCATED ALMOST $20 MILLION IN RAISES.

I MEAN, THAT'S REALLY TO TO KEEP TO RETAIN AND RECRUIT HIGHLY EFFECTIVE TEACHERS, HIGHLY EFFECTIVE LEADERS.

MAKE SURE, AGAIN, THAT OUR STUDENTS HAVE THE BEST QUALITY EDUCATORS IN OUR CAMPUSES.

RIGHT. SO THAT'S THAT'S ALMOST A $20 MILLION THAT WE WE CAN INFUSE IN THIS BUDGET, RIGHT.

THAT WASN'T THERE, LET'S SAY, A YEAR AGO.

RIGHT. AND THAT WILL BE AN INDIRECT EFFECT.

ALSO, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER, WE BUDGETED FOR A LITTLE BIT.

I THINK IT'S GOING TO COST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT A HALF A MILLION DOLLARS IN WHAT'S CALLED A STRATEGIC STAFFING.

IT ALSO TO BE ABLE TO BRING SOME INCENTIVES OR GIVE SOME INCENTIVES TO HIGHLY EFFECTIVE PRINCIPALS, HIGHLY EFFECTIVE TEACHER LEADERS AND ALSO ASSISTANT PRINCIPALS IN THE CAMPUSES WHO ARE HISTORICALLY HAVE BEEN STRUGGLING ACADEMICALLY.

AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE WILL ALSO BE DOING A PRESENTATION ON THAT AND SHOW YOU AGAIN HOW WE ARE ADJUSTING OUR BUDGET TO TO ALIGN WITH OUR GOALS, OUR BOARD GOALS, AS WELL AS ALSO ACADEMICS AND STUDENT OUTCOMES.

I KNOW THAT AT SOME POINT WE'RE GOING TO DO OUR OUR BOARD SELF EVALS IN AN OPEN AND WE WANT THOSE POINTS THAT COME FROM SHOWING HOW THE BUDGET.

IS TIDE. SO THAT WAS MY ONLY.

TRUSTEE. HARRISON.

MY QUESTION WAS ANSWERED. THANK YOU.

TRUSTEE. WESTON. SO I JUST WANT TO ECHO MY DESIRE.

IT'S JUST A LINE ITEM IN THE K FOR THAT THAT MENTIONS DIRECT EXPENDITURES ON DIRECT EDUCATIONAL EXPENSES.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THAT IS HAS BEEN.

I THINK WE HAVE CAPERS ON THE DISTRICT WEBSITE GOING BACK A DECADE OR MORE, SO THAT SHOULD BE PRETTY EASY TO GET AND I THINK OUR COMMUNITY WOULD APPRECIATE THAT.

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TO PROPERTY OWNERS WHO PAY FOR OUR SCHOOLS.

AND THE LAST QUESTION THAT I WOULD HAVE.

IS WHERE OUR COMMUNITY CAN LOOK AT THIS BUDGET AND SEE.

EFFORTS TOWARDS SCHOOL SAFETY.

WE ALL KNOW THAT IN 2019 LEGISLATIVE SESSION, SENATE BILL 11 REQUIRED THAT ALL SCHOOL DISTRICTS, I BELIEVE WITH OVER 1000 STUDENTS TO ESTABLISH A SCHOOL SAFETY COMMITTEE. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT IN THIS BUDGET.

YOU KNOW, SPEAKS TO THAT.

WHAT IN THIS BUDGET SHOWS US IN THE COMMUNITY? THAT WE ARE FOLLOWING THE REQUIREMENTS OF SENATE BILL 11 WITH THE MEMBERS WHEN THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE MEETING, WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DISCUSSING. HAVE THEY? IT SAYS IN THE LEGISLATION THAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES.

I'VE BEEN HERE FOR 18 MONTHS.

I DON'T RECALL AN AGENDA ITEM WHERE OUR SCHOOL SAFETY COMMITTEE MADE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS TO OUR SCHOOL BOARD.

ARE THEY ASKING FOR RESOURCES? IS THERE A PLACE IN THIS BUDGET WHERE I CAN SEE THAT? TRUSTEE. VESSA.

I DIDN'T HAVE ANY. I DON'T THINK MY LIGHT WAS ON.

I'M SORRY. WHAT? I DON'T THINK I ASKED A QUESTION.

WHAT WAS YOUR QUESTION DIRECTLY TO MY.

MY QUESTION IS ARE DIRECTED TO THE ADMINISTRATION WHO CREATES THE BUDGET.

THERE'S NOT A LINE ITEM IN THE BUDGET THAT'S JUST DEDICATED FOR SCHOOL SAFETY.

THERE WILL BE ITEMS EITHER IN THE BEHAVIORAL DEPARTMENT, THE CUSTODIAL DEPARTMENT, THE MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENT.

IT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE WOULD HAVE TO SORT OF PULL TOGETHER.

BUT THERE'S NOT A LINE ITEM IN THE BUDGET FOR SCHOOL SAFETY.

WELL, THE C-2 SCHEDULE DOES HAVE A LINE ITEM FOR SCHOOL SAFETY, BUT IT'S MY QUESTION IS REALLY NOT TO THAT SPECIFIC LINE ITEM OF THE SPENDING.

IT'S SPECIFICALLY TO PROBABLY DR.

AZAIEZ WITH REGARD TO THE SCHOOL SAFETY COMMITTEE MANDATED BY SENATE BILL 11.

I THINK OUR COMMUNITY, GIVEN RECENT EVENTS, WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IN THIS BUDGET.

WHERE CAN WE SEE THAT WE ARE IN COMPLIANCE? TAKING RECOMMENDATIONS.

LISTENING TO OUR SCHOOL SAFETY COMMITTEE.

AND WHERE HAVE THEY MADE ANY FISCAL REQUESTS? WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? THIS IS TOP OF MIND.

SO IT'S THE QUESTION IF THERE IS A BUDGET LINE TO TALK ABOUT THAT.

OBVIOUSLY, LIKE LIKE DENNIS WAS SAYING, THERE IS NO BUDGET LINE THAT TALKS ABOUT SPECIFICALLY.

BUT GO AHEAD, DENNIS. I'M SORRY. WHEN I SAID THERE IS A FUNCTION CALLED I SAY SCHOOL SAFETY, BUT THERE ARE OTHER SCHOOL SAFETY EXPENSES THAT'S NOT CAPTURED THERE. SO TO GET A TOTAL PICTURE OF SCHOOL SAFETY, WE WILL HAVE TO GO WITHIN SOME OTHER BUDGETS TO GET YOU THE TOTAL BUDGET FOR SCHOOL SAFETY.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY. BUT THERE IS A FUNCTION CODE THAT'S JUST SCHOOL SAFETY.

WELL, I'M SURE THAT OUR SCHOOL SAFETY COMMITTEE IS MEETING AS IT'S SUPPOSED TO BY LAW, AND I'M SURE THAT THIS COMMITTEE IS MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS LIKE IT'S SUPPOSED TO BY LAW.

AND PERHAPS THIS IS JUST SOMETHING, DR.

AZAIEZ, YOU CAN GET BACK TO THE BOARD, MAYBE IN A BOARD UPDATE AND BRING US UP TO SPEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE DOING ALL THAT WE CAN AS ELECTED AND UNELECTED LEADERS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH SENATE BILL 11.

ABSOLUTELY. THE BOARD PRESIDENT SITS ON THAT COMMITTEE, AND I KNOW THAT I ATTENDED MEETINGS WHEN I WAS BOARD PRESIDENT.

I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, WHEN THE LAST ONE THAT YOU ALL HAD I HAVEN'T SAT ON.

I HAVEN'T ATTENDED YET.

IF WE'RE GOING TO START TALKING ABOUT THE COMMITTEES.

BUT I THINK. OKAY, SO NEXT IS TRUSTEE VESSA.

MADAM CHAIR, THE LAST MEETING WAS ON MAY 18TH.

INFORMATION'S ON THE WEBSITE.

THANK YOU. I WAS INVITED, BUT I WASN'T ABLE TO ATTEND.

I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT MY LIFE MUST HAVE BEEN ON FROM SOMETHING ELSE.

THANK YOU, TRUSTEE HARRISON.

MY QUESTION WAS ABOUT SCHOOL SAFETY, BUT VALERIE SAID IT'S OFF TOPIC, SO WE'LL KEEP GOING.

I MEAN, I KNOW IT'S RELATED IN SOME RESPECT TO BUDGET AS TRUSTEE WESTON WAS BRINGING UP, BUT I THINK YOU ALL HAVE A PLAN TO GET SOME OF THAT INFORMATION.

ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU FOR THE REDIRECTION.

WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ON HERE FOR FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS, BUT I'M GOING TO ASSUME THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT THAT IN THE FUTURE.

I'M SORRY. I CAN'T HEAR YOU VERY WELL.

SORRY. TRYING TO PROTECT EVERYBODY FROM MY NEW YORK TRIP.

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I'M WAITING FOR RSPS TO GET THAT MEETING SCHEDULED, BUT WE DO HAVE A MEETING COMING UP THIS SUMMER PLANNED FOR SAFETY AND SECURITY.

I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER LIGHTS ON, SO.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. COVINGTON.

ALL RIGHT. NEXT, WE'RE GOING TO AGENDA ITEM TWO AND THREE.

ADOPT A RESOLUTION ESTABLISHING CRITERIA TO BE USED IN A DRAWING PROPOSED SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICT TRUSTEE DISTRICTS AND ADOPT A TIMELINE FOR EVALUATING THE POSSIBLE ADOPTION OF A SINGLE MEMBER TRUSTEE DISTRICT ELECTION SYSTEM.

AND I'M GOING TO BRING TO TURN THIS OVER TO SARA, POINT OF ORDER.

WHAT IS YOUR POINT, MADAM CHAIR? I MOVE TO TABLE ITEMS D TWO AND D THREE UNTIL THIS BOARD CONVENES TO DISCUSS SCHOOL SAFETY AND THE ROUND ROCK ISD POLICE DEPARTMENT.

AS I HAVE REQUESTED FOR 18 MONTHS, I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION.

I SECOND THE MOTION.

I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

TRUSTEE WEIR. NO, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY.

TRUSTEE HARRISON. I DO HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY.

IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WE CAN ONLY HAVE THESE DISCUSSIONS IN OPEN MEETINGS, AND SO THAT'S THE POINT OF HAVING A MEETING.

IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT THERE'S DECISION PRE MADE AND I UNDERSTAND THERE'S DISTRUST BECAUSE I SAT IN YOUR SEATS AS A TEACHER, SOMEONE WHO TAUGHT ALL DAY FROM MORNING TILL NIGHT UNTIL 11 MIDNIGHT, 1:00 IN THE MORNING, HAVING THESE SAME QUESTIONS.

BUT WE CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS.

WE CANNOT HAVE THESE TOPICS AND NOT DISCUSS THEM AND OPEN.

TO ME, THIS IS NOT PREDETERMINED.

MY CONCERNS AND MY RESEARCH ABOUT THIS BECAUSE I RAISED THE QUESTION OF WHY NOW ON SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS, I SAID THAT MYSELF AS SOMEONE WHO'S UP FOR REELECTION, AND THE RESPONSE WAS BECAUSE IT'S CENSUS DATA AND THERE IS A SMALL WINDOW.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR SINCE THEY ARE HERE AND TRUSTEE WESTON I SUPPORT AND AGREE WITH YOU.

I SPENT TWO YEARS OF MY LIFE ALMOST ON THE SAFETY AND SECURITY TASK FORCE.

SO THIS IS IMPORTANT.

THIS IS EMERGENT.

AND I UNDERSTAND.

BUT SINCE WE HAVE THIS REPRESENTATIVE HERE, I WOULD LIKE TO AT LEAST HEAR SUMMARY AND THEN VOTE THIS UP DOWN TABLE IT.

I'M ASKING FOR THE COURTESY OF HEARING WHAT THE EXPERT HAS TO SAY.

GO AHEAD, TRUSTEE. WESTON.

TO CLARIFY, ARE WE TO ENGAGE THE AUDIENCE WHEN WE'RE UP HERE? NO. OK THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT.

SO I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT.

I THINK THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE WATCHING WHAT'S GOING ON IN THEIR SCHOOL DISTRICTS AROUND THE STATE.

AND THIS IS NOT URGENT.

THIS IS NOT IMPORTANT.

THERE IS WE'VE ESTABLISHED WHO THE CONSTITUENCY FOR THIS IS.

LAST IN OUR LAST BOARD MEETINGS, THE CONSTITUENCY FOR THIS IS NOT OUR STUDENTS, IT'S NOT OUR PARENTS, IT'S NOT OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS.

IT'S THE TRUSTEES WHO ARE UP FOR REELECTION.

THAT IS THE CONSTITUENCY FOR THIS.

SO I AM ASKING THAT WE TABLE AGAIN, AS I STATED IN MY MOTION ITEMS D2 AND D3, THE CONSIDERATION OF THE SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS BUSINESS, WHICH WE HAD A SPEAKER TONIGHT THAT TALKED ABOUT HOW A NEARBY DISTRICT HAS ALREADY HAD THIS SYSTEM FOR YEARS ALL THEIR.

ALL THEY HAVE TO DO THIS YEAR IS REDRAW THE LINES.

THEY STARTED THAT PROCESS.

I PULLED UP THE AISD WEBSITE.

THEY STARTED THAT PROCESS IN NOVEMBER OF LAST YEAR.

THEY'VE ALREADY HAD FIVE COMMUNITY FORUMS OVER MONTHS.

THEY'VE HAD ONLINE SYSTEM WHERE PEOPLE GIVE FEEDBACK.

THIS IS A TO DO THIS RIGHT.

IT'S GOING TO BE A LONG AND DELIBERATIVE BACK AND FORTH PROCESS WITH THE COMMUNITY.

FIVE FORUMS AND SIX DAYS IS A JOKE.

TALKING ABOUT THIS RIGHT NOW IS A JOKE, AND IT'S OFFENSIVE TO PARENTS RIGHT NOW WHO ARE WORRIED.

AND TO ME AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL WHO'S NOT EVEN HALFWAY THROUGH MY TERM AND I'VE BEEN WAITING 18 MONTHS FOR THIS AGENDA ITEM AND MY CRY TO TRY TO REPRESENT THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE ELECTED ME HAS BEEN SILENCED BY NOW TWO BOARD PRESIDENTS.

THIS IS WRONG.

AND JUST AS A REMINDER, WE DID HAVE WE DID HAVE A MEETING SCHEDULED IN FEBRUARY FOR SCHOOL SAFETY THAT WAS CANCELED FOR WEATHER.

IT WAS RESCHEDULED AND THEN CANCELED WHEN OUR CHIEF OF POLICE RESIGNED.

SO NOW WE HAVE RESCHEDULED IT AGAIN FOR JULY.

AS SOON AS I CAN GET RSVP AND WE'VE HIRED A NEW CHIEF.

SO THIS WILL BE THE THIRD SCHEDULING OF THIS MEETING SINCE I TOOK OVER IN DECEMBER.

TRUSTEE HARRISON.

WE CAN VOTE.

BUT ONCE AGAIN, THERE ARE QUESTIONS THAT ARE PERTINENT NOT BECAUSE OF REELECTION THAT I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO ASK.

SO I'M ASKING FOR THE COURTESY TO ENGAGE THE PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE BROUGHT HERE TONIGHT.

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IF WE NEED TO, GO AHEAD AND MAKE THAT VOTE SO WE CAN MOVE ON, THAT'S FINE.

I'D LIKE TO CALL THE QUESTION ON THE PROPOSED.

SO WE HAVE A CALL. THE QUESTION.

I'LL SECOND I HAVE A SECOND CALL.

THE QUESTION ON THE MOTION ACTUALLY TO END THE DEBATE REGARDING THE MOTION THAT TRUSTEE HARRISON HAS MADE.

SO ALL IN FAVOR OF CALLING THE QUESTION AND ENDING ANY KIND OF DISCUSSION REGARDING THE MOTION THAT TRUSTEE WESTON MADE.

RAISE YOUR HAND. ALL OPPOSED.

MOTION PASSES 5-2.

DID YOU? IT WAS ASKED STRANGELY.

WHAT CAN YOU RESTATE? WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THIS IS A MOTION TO CALL THE QUESTION TO END ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION THAT TRUSTEE WESTON MADE.

I'M IN FAVOR. YES. ALL IN FAVOR.

RAISE YOUR HAND.

I'LL OPPOSED.

MOTION PASSES 5-2.

SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

THERE'S NO MORE DISCUSSION.

SORRY, I SAY YOUR LIGHT JUST POPPED ON.

THE MOTION IS TO TABLE THIS AGENDA ITEM D2 AND D3 UNTIL AFTER THE SAFETY AND SECURITY MEETING THAT IS TENTATIVELY SCHEDULED FOR JULY. ALL IN FAVOR.

RAISE YOUR HAND. ALL OPPOSED.

ABSTAINING MOTION FAILS 2-4-1.

SO NOW WE CAN GO TO MS. LEON TO CONTINUE WITH YOUR PRESENTATION.

OH, SORRY. THERE YOU GO.

IT WAS NOT RED.

GOOD EVENING. WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE BEFORE THE PRESENTATION TO ASK ONE QUESTION AS THIS IS OUR ONE MECHANISM FOR DISCUSSION ON THIS MATTER? YES. CAN I ASK WHAT THE EMERGENT.

LIKE WHY? WHY IS THIS THE TIME TO DISCUSS THIS? THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO BE CLEAR ON, TO UNDERSTAND.

IT WAS THE BOARD'S REQUEST THAT WE COME AND DISCUSS THIS.

THE TIMING, AS I UNDERSTAND IT.

I BELIEVE A PETITION MAY HAVE BEEN CIRCULATED WITHIN YOUR COMMUNITY IN 2019-20.

THAT'S TRUE. THIS IS NOT MY AGENDA ITEM.

I HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS AND THAT WAS TOLD BECAUSE OF THE TIMING OF THE CENSUS DATA, THIS WAS IMPORTANT.

CAN YOU CLARIFY WHAT THAT IS? MY ONE QUESTION ABOUT THIS WHOLE PROCESS BEFORE I COULD CONSIDER TABLING IT, AND I WOULD LIKE TO ANSWER THAT IN OPEN.

IS IT EMERGENT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF CENSUS DATA OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? THE TIME COMPRESSION FOR MAKING A CHANGE IN NOVEMBER OF 2022 IS IMPACTED IN PART BY THE FACT THAT THE CENSUS WAS RELEASED LATE DUE TO DELAYS IN COVID RELATED TO COVID.

IN TERMS OF THE COLLECTION OF THE DATA, AND THEN THEY HAD SOME DATA INTEGRITY INQUIRIES THAT THEY DID, WHICH CAUSED THE CENSUS TO COME OUT ABOUT SIX OR SEVEN MONTHS LATER THAN IT WAS SUPPOSED TO.

IT CAUSED A GREAT DEAL OF COMPRESSION FOR THE MAY ELECTIONS BECAUSE THAT THE REQUIRED YOU ARE NOT REQUIRED TO REBALANCE BECAUSE YOU CURRENTLY HAVE A SINGLE MEMBER SYSTEM.

SO THERE'S NO URGENCY FOR YOU TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT I THINK THAT THE BOARD HAD A MAJORITY OF YOU HAD ASKED TO LOOK AT IT.

THE TIMING FOR EVALUATING WE'VE PROPOSED A SHORT TIMELINE FOR CONSIDERING COMMUNITY INPUT THAT WOULD ALLOW YOU TO MAKE A DECISION PRIOR TO NOVEMBER.

BUT IF YOU WANTED TO MAKE THAT DECISION, YOU KNOW, EIGHT MONTHS OUT FROM NOW, WE CAN EXTEND THAT TIMELINE.

IT'S JUST A QUESTION OF WHAT THE BOARD DECIDES YOU WANT TO DO IN TERMS OF LOOKING AT THIS.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

SO NOW THAT I'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY IN THIS OPEN MEETING TO HAVE MY QUESTION ANSWERED, DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE A QUESTION? BECAUSE I DO HAVE A MOTION.

I JUST WANTED THE ABILITY TO UNDERSTAND IF THERE WAS A SENSE OF URGENCY AROUND THIS.

TRUSTEE WESTON? SO CAN WE CLARIFY THIS ISSUE OF THE CENSUS? WE KNOW THAT THE CENSUS WAS DELAYED.

WE'VE READ ABOUT IT IN THE NEWSPAPER.

YOU'VE BRIEFED US ON THAT.

THAT WOULD NOT HAVE PREVENTED THIS BOARD.

WELL, TELL ME IF I'M WRONG.

IF THIS BOARD IF THIS WAS A PRIORITY FOR THIS BOARD LAST FALL, THEN THIS BOARD COULD HAVE DONE WHAT AISD DID.

AND THAT WAS HOLD COMMUNITY INFORMATIONAL SESSIONS LAST FALL ON THE TOPIC OF SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS.

WHAT IS IT? WHAT ARE PROS, WHAT ARE CONS? WHATEVER INFORMATION MEANS, RIGHT? THE CENSUS DID NOT PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING, RIGHT? NO, NO.

I THINK THE TIMING HAS TO DO WITH THE DESIRES OF THIS BOARD.

AND WE'RE HERE RESPONDING TO WHAT YOU'VE ASKED US TO DO.

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SO WE COULD HAVE HELD INFORMATIONAL SESSIONS LAST FALL.

THERE WAS NOTHING THAT PROHIBITED US FROM DOING THAT COULD HAVE ANSWERED QUESTIONS.

THE ONLY THING WE COULD NOT HAVE DONE WOULD BE TO PRODUCE MAPS BASED ON CURRENT CENSUS DATA.

THAT'S THE ONLY THING WE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO UNTIL MARCH.

IS THAT CORRECT? ACTUALLY, NO, BECAUSE THE CENSUS WAS RELEASED IN AUGUST, I BELIEVE IT CAME OUT AUGUST 19TH.

SO WE COULD HAVE PRODUCED MAPS AS EARLY AS AUGUST 19TH.

I HAVE A POINT OF ORDER. WE PLEASE, PLEASE.

WE'RE TRYING TO CONDUCT BUSINESS HERE.

SO WE COULD HAVE HAD MAPS EVEN LAST FALL.

OKAY. SO THERE HAS REALLY BEEN NO OTHER THAN THE WILL OF THIS BOARD.

THIS WAS JUST NOT A PRIORITY.

AND I THINK IF ANYBODY WERE TO LOOK AT OUR AGENDAS, OUR BRUTAL AGENDAS FROM LAST FALL, THEY COULD SEE WHAT THE PRIORITIES OF THIS BOARD WAS IN THE FALL.

BUT I APPRECIATE YOU SAYING THAT THERE IS NO EXTERNAL FACTOR THAT HAS FORCED THIS BOARD TO WAIT UNTIL SIX MONTHS BEFORE AN ELECTION TO EVEN DISCUSS THE MATTER.

THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I CAN'T COMMENT ON YOUR AGENDAS PRIOR TO MAY 18.

JUST WHEN WE FIRST TALKED ABOUT THIS.

OKAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR ANSWERS, MA'AM.

TRUSTEE BONE. TRUSTEE WESTON ASKED MY QUESTION, SO THANK YOU.

I'M READY TO HEAR TIFFANIE'S MOTION.

I ACTUALLY HAVE ONE THING TO SAY BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO CLEAR UP A LITTLE BIT OF MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT THIS.

SO, FIRST OF ALL, IN 2017, THERE WAS A PETITION THAT WENT OUT.

I ACTUALLY WORKED WITH SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT HERE TONIGHT TO TRY TO GET SIGNATURES FOR THAT.

I ALSO SPOKE TO YOU IN 2020 ABOUT THIS, WANTING TO GET IT ON THE AGENDA.

AND WE DIDN'T DO IT BECAUSE WE WERE WAITING FOR THE CENSUS DATA AT THAT TIME.

AND I ADVISED YOU IT WOULD BE A DUPLICATIVE EXPENSE BECAUSE YOU WOULD HAVE TO DO IT AGAIN THE FOLLOWING YEAR.

RIGHT. AND THEN WHEN I WAS BOARD PRESIDENT, TRUSTEE XIAO ASKED FOR IT TO BE ON.

WE ATTEMPTED TO GET IT ON AS EARLY AS MARCH OF 2021.

AND ACTUALLY, MEMBERS OF THIS BOARD WHO PREVIOUS TO THEIR ELECTION WERE VERY FOR SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS DECIDED THEY WERE NOT FOR IT.

WITHIN FOUR MONTHS OF BEING ELECTED.

SO IT DIDN'T GET ON THE AGENDA.

AND NOW TRUSTEE VESSA HAS ASKED FOR IT TO COME BACK ON.

BUT IT HAS BEEN A LONG PROCESS AND SOME OF US HAVE BEEN FOR THIS FOR A VERY LONG TIME.

TRUSTEE XIAO SO THIS, AS TRUSTEE WEIR SAID, I HAVE REQUESTED THIS AGENDA ITEM TO PUT ON THIS AGENDA RIGHT AFTER ELECTION.

NOBODY ELSE DID.

EVERYBODY AFTER THEY ELECTED, JUST WANT TO KEEP THE STATUS QUO.

NOBODY CARE ABOUT SINGLE DISTRICT.

NOBODY CARE ABOUT THOSE THINGS.

TO TO TALK ABOUT HOW NOW WE ARE DOING THIS.

BECAUSE IN THE PAST, WE DIDN'T TRUST THE BOARD VOTED DOWN THIS AGENDA ITEM.

THAT'S THE ISSUE.

I SAID DURING MY REQUEST, I SAID, MAYBE WE CAN EXPLORE THE MAP, EXPLORE THE OPTION BEFORE WE HAVE THE CENSUS DATA BUT GOT VOTED DOWN.

BUT PART OF IT, I KIND OF UNDERSTAND BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER THINGS GOING ON AT THAT TIME, THE THE BATTLE OF MASK.

THE BATTLE OF OTHER THINGS.

YEAH. SO IT JUST GOT PUSHED OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

NOT IN THE SUMMER.

THE MASK WAR IS OVER.

WHAT ELSE CAN WE DO? THERE ARE THINGS WE CAN ACTUALLY TAKE A BREAK TO LOOK AT A SINGLE DISTRICT.

SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICT. THIS ISSUE.

I'M NOT SAYING THAT I'M DEFINITELY PRO OR CON.

I WANT TO LEARN THE PROCESS, HOW IT IS GET DONE.

THERE'S NO TIMELINE.

MAYBE IT'S MAYBE IT'S BEFORE ELECTION.

IF WE CAN DO IT, MAYBE IT'S AFTER THE ELECTION.

I DON'T KNOW. FOR ME ON THIS BOARD THE NUMBER ONE THING I INTEND TO DO IS TO LEARN, EXPLORE POSSIBILITIES. THAT'S THE FIRST THING.

JUST SAY NO.

I'M NOT INTERESTED.

I'M INTERESTED. WHY? YOU ARE NOT INTERESTED? WHY DON'T WE THINK IT'S NOT A PRIORITY? WHY DO YOU THINK IT IS NOTHING TO DO WITH STUDENT OUTCOME? WELL, TO SAY IT'S NOTHING TO STILL STUDENT OUTCOME THAT IS REPRESENTATION IS THE NUMBER ONE THING I CARE ABOUT.

TRUSTEE. HARRISON.

OK. THIS IS ON THE AGENDA.

WE COULD LEARN ABOUT IT.

IT DOES FEEL RUSHED.

I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WE NEEDED TO HEAR SOON.

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BUT I DO THINK WE SHOULD LENGTHEN THE TIMELINE OF SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS.

I WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR THAT THAT'S WHERE I STAND.

SINCE WE HAVE THESE REPRESENTATIVES ALREADY HERE, COULD WE HEAR THIS PRESENTATION? ULTIMATELY I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE IT.

BUT WE'RE ALREADY HERE, SO CAN WE HEAR? I MEAN, I CAN JUST MAKE THE MOTION NOW THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO ASK QUESTIONS, I GUESS I JUST FEEL BAD FOR YOU ALL COMING OUT.

I THINK REALLY THE MOTION AND SECOND AND THE VOTE WAS MADE SO TABLE AND THAT WAS SO AT THIS POINT YOU SHOULD ALLOW THE PRESENTERS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS AGENDA ITEM AND THEN ANY MOTIONS COMING OUT AFTER CAN OCCUR.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY.

THANK YOU. TRUSTEE VESSA.

I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT WHEN TRUSTEE WEIR WAS ASKING ABOUT IT, I WAS ALSO ASKING ABOUT IT IN 2020.

THIS WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT WAS JUST A RECENT THING.

IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE HAD THE DATA.

I ASKED FOR IT BACK IN MARCH.

IT DIDN'T GET ON UNTIL MAY.

BUT, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF WHY, WHY DO I THINK THAT THIS IS IMPORTANT? I THINK I EXPLAINED THAT BEFORE.

I ALSO THINK THAT I HAVE TO SAY BEFORE AND BEFORE I GOT ON THIS BOARD, I REALLY DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE DYNAMICS GOING ON LIKE I WAS NEW, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND.

I MADE HONESTLY, MY WHOLE CAMPAIGN WAS JUST A SYSTEM OF ERRORS.

I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW I NEEDED TO PUT A STICKER ON MY SIGNS THAT SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A ROAD STICKER AND I LITERALLY HAD TO DRIVE ALL OVER TOWN PUTTING STICKERS ON THE BACK OF SOME SIGNS.

I SPENT AN ENTIRE DAY DOING THAT BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO DO IT.

SO WHAT I'M SAYING HERE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE BROUGHT UP, WHY WOULDN'T YOU DO THIS BEFORE YOU WERE ELECTED AND BLAH, BLAH, BLAH? A LOT OF US JUST DIDN'T EVEN WE'RE JUST FOR ME, I WAS JUST A COMMUNITY MEMBER THAT WANTED TO ADVOCATE AT THE LEGISLATURE BECAUSE I FELT LIKE I HAD AN ABILITY TO DO THAT.

AND BUT I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND ALL THE DYNAMICS GOING ON.

AND AS YOU GET YOU GET INTO THIS AND YOU UNDERSTAND YOU UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF REPRESENTATION.

YOU UNDERSTAND HOW DIFFICULT THIS IS FOR PEOPLE WHO AREN'T STEEPED IN THIS.

I MEAN, IT WAS IT WAS A MIRACLE THAT I WON REALLY AND TRULY A MIRACLE.

CAN WE CAN WE. I'M SORRY.

I KNOW, BUT I WAS JUST TRYING TO CLARIFY WHATEVER THOSE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN MAKING ME OUT TO BE, KIND OF DEFAMING ME ON THIS ISSUE.

AND REALLY, IT DOESN'T COME FROM THAT PLACE.

IT REALLY DOES COME FROM A PLACE OF WANTING TO ENGAGE OTHER PEOPLE IN THIS PROCESS, GIVE THEM OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A SEAT AT THE TABLE THAT DON'T OTHERWISE HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY.

THAT THAT'S THE POINT.

THAT WAS THE POINT WHEN THE PETITION WENT OUT IN 2017.

AND IT'S STILL THE POINT TODAY TO SO THAT THAT IT'S NOT SO ONEROUS THAT MORE PEOPLE CAN SERVE THEIR COMMUNITY.

ALL RIGHT. I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND TURN IT BACK OVER TO MS. LEONE AND ALLOW YOU TO START YOUR PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU, DR.

AZAIEZ. MADAM PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US BACK AGAIN SO SOON.

I'M SIERRA LEONE AND I'M HERE TODAY WITH MACKENZIE WALTERS OF MY LAW FIRM, AND I'M GOING TO LET HER ENTERTAIN YOU WITH HER SLIDES IN A MOMENT.

WE HAVE PUT A PACKET IN FRONT OF YOU THAT HAS A COUPLE OF ITEMS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT IN THIS PRESENTATION.

THE ACTION ITEM FOR THE BOARD TONIGHT IS TO CONSIDER ACTION ON A OR POTENTIALLY CONSIDER ACTION ON A RESOLUTION THAT WOULD ADOPT CRITERIA FOR USE IN EVALUATING SINGLE MEMBER TRUSTEE DISTRICTS.

THIS RESOLUTION, AGAIN, THE DIRECTION YOU GAVE ME AT THE LAST MINUTE MEETING WAS SIMPLY IT WAS TO EXPLORE THE OPTION OF WHAT WOULD HAPPEN NEXT. WHAT WOULD HAPPEN NEXT.

IF YOU DECIDE TO PROCEED, IS THAT YOU HAVE SOME CRITERIA TO USE FOR EXPLAINING TO THE PUBLIC AND TO THE BOARD WHAT LEGAL WHAT CRITERIA ARE GOING TO BE USED TO EVALUATE POTENTIAL MAPS, AND THEN YOU TAKE INPUT ON THOSE MAPS, AND THEN WE WOULD COME BACK AND YOU WOULD MAKE A DECISION WHETHER YOU WANTED TO MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION.

SO I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW.

WE ALSO MADE A COUPLE OF VERY PRELIMINARY WHAT WE CALL ILLUSTRATIVE PLANS THAT SHOW

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SO THAT'S WHAT'S IN YOUR PACKET.

AND I AM GOING TO LET MACKENZIE WALTERS WALK YOU THROUGH THE PRESENTATION TONIGHT.

ALL RIGHT. CAN YOU HEAR ME? OKAY, THANK YOU ALL AGAIN FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE.

SO I HAVE IF WE'RE GOING TO GO TO OUR NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE ARE CURRENTLY ELECTED BY POSITION.

THERE ARE MULTIPLE WAYS THAT SCHOOL BOARDS CAN LOOK AT THE TYPES OF ELECTIONS THAT THEY HAVE.

YOU CAN GO BY POSITION, YOU CAN GO BY AT LARGE OR YOU CAN CHOOSE TO HAVE SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS.

WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING AT IF YOU WANT SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS, WE CAN HAVE ABOUT THREE DIFFERENT OPTIONS.

YOU COULD GO TO A 5-2 WITH FIVE SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS AND TWO AT LARGE.

YOU COULD DO A 6-1 OR ALL SEVEN TRUSTEES IN A SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICT.

IF A TRUSTEE WERE TO BE IN A SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICT, THAT PERSON OR ANY FUTURE CANDIDATES FOR THAT DISTRICT WOULD NEED TO RESIDE WITHIN THE DISTRICT.

THAT'S, WE'LL GO THROUGH SOME OF THE INFORMATION ABOUT IT.

WHAT ARE BENEFITS OF IT? WHAT OTHER SCHOOL DISTRICTS MIGHT USE? AND MORE INFORMATION.

BUT AGAIN, THIS IS NOT ANYTHING THAT HAS TO BE DECIDED AT THIS TIME.

YOUR TIMELINE DOES NOT HAVE TO BE WHAT WE HAVE PROPOSED.

IT'S THIS IS ALL INFORMATIONAL.

OH. NEXT SLIDE. RIGHT.

OKAY, SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS.

WE ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF THESE SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS IS THAT IT CAN ALLOW A MORE DIVERSE POOL OF CANDIDATES FOR A BETTER OPPORTUNITY TO BE ELECTED. ONE OF THE REASONS AND ESPECIALLY IN LARGE SCHOOL DISTRICTS, AS SCHOOL DISTRICTS GET LARGER AND LARGER, IT BECOMES MORE EXPENSIVE TO CAMPAIGN. YOU HAVE TO PUT UP YOUR ROAD SIGNS ALL OVER TOWN INSTEAD OF A SMALLER AREA.

AND WHEN ELECTIONS BECOME MORE EXPENSIVE, TO BE A PART OF IT NATURALLY CAN AFFECT WHO CAN AFFORD TO RUN FOR ELECTIONS AND COULD HAVE THAT IMPACT OF A NEGATIVE IMPACT, PERHAPS ON WHO CAN RUN FOR AN ELECTION SO YOU CAN HAVE A MORE DIVERSE POOL OF CANDIDATES.

THAT IS THAT'S ONE DIFFERENCE ABOUT SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS.

ADDITIONALLY, WHEN YOU START TO GROW, YOUR COMMUNITIES CAN SOME MINORITY COMMUNITIES CAN GET UNDERREPRESENTED. NOW, WHENEVER YOU ARE LOOKING AT SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS AND YOU HAVE LARGER MINORITY COMMUNITIES IN ONE DISTRICT, THEIR VOTE MAY NOT BE COUNTER ACTED AS MUCH IF YOU'RE COMING FROM A SMALLER POOL THAN YOU WOULD FROM YOUR ENTIRE SCHOOL DISTRICT.

JUMP IN ON THIS ONE, PLEASE.

ACROSS THE STATE, WE THERE WERE QUESTIONS MADE AT THE PRIOR MEETINGS ABOUT WHY DISTRICTS WOULD HAVE GONE.

SCHOOL DISTRICTS WOULD HAVE SELECTED THIS.

IN MANY, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE ALSO THAT IN MANY CASES, SCHOOL DISTRICTS ELECT TO GO TO SINGLE MEMBER TRUSTEE DISTRICTS, EITHER BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN THREATENED WITH OR ACTUALLY SUCCESSFULLY SUED UNDER THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT, WHERE THE ELECTION SYSTEM IN PLACE HAS THE IMPACT OF MAKING IT MORE DIFFICULT FOR MINORITY COMMUNITIES TO ELECT A CANDIDATE OF CHOICE.

WE'RE NOT IN THAT PLACE RIGHT NOW IN TERMS OF ANY KIND OF THREAT, WHICH GIVES YOU THE LUXURY OF HAVING THE TIME TO CONSIDER.

AND ALSO, I DON'T THINK OUR INITIAL ANALYSIS DOES NOT SHOW THAT YOU HAVE THE KIND OF WHEN I SAY COMPACT AND CONTIGUOUS MINORITY GROUPS THAT WOULD COMPEL YOU TO LOOK IN THIS WAY.

LOOK AT THIS AS A RESPONSE TO VOTING RIGHTS ACT CHALLENGES.

WE HAVE THE NEXT, SO WE'RE THERE.

SO WHENEVER WE ARE CONSIDERING SINGLE MEMBER TRUSTEE DISTRICTS, THERE ARE THREE BASIC LEGAL PRINCIPLES THAT ARE GOING TO APPLY

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ONCE YOU START SPLITTING THAT UP, YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT YOUR SPLIT UP DISTRICTS ARE BALANCED POPULATION WISE, AND THAT IS BECAUSE OF THE ONE PERSON, ONE VOTE PRINCIPLE.

IF I HAVE A DISTRICT OF 50 PEOPLE AND I HAVE A DISTRICT OF 50,000 PEOPLE, THAT'S AN EXTREME EXAMPLE.

BUT THE PEOPLE IN THE 50,000 DISTRICT, THEIR VOTE DOESN'T COUNT AS MUCH AS ONE WHERE THERE'S ONLY 50 PEOPLE.

AND THAT'S WHY WE ARE WHEN WE'RE DRAWING THESE MAPS, SOMETIMES IT MAY LOOK A LITTLE STRANGE.

WHY ARE THEY THESE SHAPES? BUT YOU HAVE TO DRAW YOUR MAPS WHERE PEOPLE ARE TO KEEP THAT BALANCE BETWEEN ALL OF THE DISTRICTS.

WE HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST A AND I CAN GO TO GO THROUGH MORE DETAIL.

BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT NOT MORE THAN A 10% DEVIATION BETWEEN THE LARGE, THE MOST POPULOUS DISTRICT AND THE LEAST POPULOUS DISTRICT.

ANOTHER LEGAL PRINCIPLE THAT WE ARE CONSIDERING WHEN EVER WE ARE DRAWING OUR MAPS, THESE PROPOSED MAPS IS THAT THE SECTION TWO OF THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT REQUIRES THAT ANYTHING THAT WE DO DOES NOT HAVE A DISCRIMINATORY IMPACT ON MINORITY COMMUNITIES.

SO WE CAN'T GO AND DRAW A LINE SPECIFICALLY BASED ON RACE TO TRY TO BREAK UP COMMUNITIES OR TO PACK COMMUNITIES TOGETHER SO THAT THEY HAVE LESS OF AN IMPACT.

SO THAT'S JUST ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE LOOKING AT TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT.

AND THEN FINALLY, THAT THIRD PRINCIPLE IS IT COMES FROM A COURT CASE CALLED SHAW V RENO.

AND WHILE WE KNOW THAT WE CAN'T BE DISCRIMINATORY, WHENEVER WE ARE LOOKING AT SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS, WE ALSO CAN'T USE RACE AS A FACTOR, MEANING WE DRAW LINES BECAUSE OF RACE.

WE GO AROUND THIS BLOCK TO BRING SOMEBODY IN TO USE THAT AS A FACTOR.

SO IN THE NEXT SLIDE, ONE PERSON, ONE VOTE.

LIKE WE SAID, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR DISTRICTS DON'T HAVE A TOTAL DEVIATION OF MORE THAN 10% BETWEEN OUR MOST POPULOUS AND OUR LEAST POPULOUS DISTRICT.

WHENEVER YOU LOOK AT THESE PROPOSED MAPS THAT WE'VE PROVIDED AND IT'S TALKING ABOUT THE PERCENTAGE OF POPULATION.

THERE IS A LINE.

IT'S LIKE THE THIRD COLUMN IN.

AND THAT WILL BE WHERE YOU CAN SEE THE DEVIATION BETWEEN THE MOST POPULOUS AND LEAST POPULOUS.

AND THAT IS LOOKING AT THE TOTAL POPULATION BASED ON YOUR CENSUS DATA FROM 2020.

SO THAT IS IF A BABY WAS BORN THE DAY BEFORE, THEY THEY MAILED OUT THEIR CENSUS BALLOT TO THE GRANDMA THAT TURNED 101.

THAT IS, EVERYBODY THAT WAS COUNTED AS A PERSON FOR THE CENSUS.

SO THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY VOTING POPULATION.

THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY PEOPLE WHO ARE REGISTERED TO VOTE OR YOUR SCHOOL CHILDREN.

IT'S JUST TOTAL POPULATION.

OUR NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

SO THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT FORBIDS A GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY FROM ADOPTING A STANDARD OR A PRACTICE OR IN THIS CASE, FROM ADOPTING A SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICT THAT WOULD DENY OR ABRIDGE ANY RIGHTS OF A CITIZEN TO VOTE ON ACCOUNT OF RACE OR COLOR.

IT'S ONE OF THESE INSTANCES THAT WE ARE A LEGAL PRINCIPLE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AND CONSIDERING WHEN WE ARE DRAWING THESE MAPS, WHEN WE HAVE THESE PROPOSED CRITERIA FOR ALL TO ADOPT, THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT PROVIDES KIND OF A ROAD MAP TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING CRITERIA THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE DISCRIMINATORY AND THAT WE HAVE LEGALLY VALID AND REASONS FOR WHY WE ARE LOOKING AT THE DISTRICTS WE'RE LOOKING AT.

A LITTLE BIT HERE. WE'RE TALKING A LOT ABOUT THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT BECAUSE A LOT OF LITIGATION, AS ONE OF YOUR SPEAKERS EARLIER SPOKE ABOUT, ARISES UNDER THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT.

AND SO BOTH THE CRITERIA BEFORE YOU AND JUST KIND OF UNDERSTANDING REDISTRICTING AS A PRINCIPLE, WE DO LOOK AT THE THOSE

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AND AND IN THIS SLIDE, WE TALK ABOUT THE KINDS OF EVIDENCE A COURT WOULD LOOK AT.

IF WE IF WE STRAY FROM THE CRITERIA THAT WE HAVE SET FORTH FOR YOU, WHICH KIND OF STEERS YOU IN THE PROPER DIRECTION TO AVOID ADOPTING A SYSTEM THAT HAS EITHER THE PURPOSE OR THE EFFECT OF REDUCING THE ABILITY OF EITHER MINORITY OF A MINORITY POPULATION GROUP FROM ELECTING A CANDIDATE OF CHOICE.

I WANT TO SKIP TO THE NEXT SLIDE AND JUST TALK ABOUT THE PRINCIPLES THAT GUIDE THE PROCESS.

AS WE TALKED ABOUT A LITTLE BIT ALREADY.

SO YEAH, SO THE THE PRINCIPLES THAT THE COURTS AND THE LAW HAVE PUT BEFORE YOU THAT GUIDE THE PROCESS INCLUDE THE ABILITY TO CONSIDER RACE, BUT THAT IT IS NOT A PREDOMINANT FACTOR IN THE PROCESS OR THAT IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED SUBORDINATE TO TRADITIONAL REDISTRICTING PRINCIPLES THAT ARE DISTRICTS SHOULD BE COMPACT AND CONTIGUOUS.

THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE BIZARRE SHAPES.

A BIZARRE SHAPE ISN'T ON ITS OWN UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

BUT IT CAN IT CAN GIVE RISE TO THE QUESTION OF WHY.

WHY ARE WE CREATING A BIZARRELY SHAPED DISTRICT IN THAT IF WE ARE CONSIDERING RACE AS A FACTOR, THAT THAT BE NARROWLY TAILORED TO ADDRESS A PAST HISTORY OF DISCRIMINATION.

THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT A COURT IS GOING TO LOOK AT.

IF YOU DID GET A CHALLENGE OR IF YOU DO NOT ADOPT SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS, YOU CAN STILL DRAW A CHALLENGE UNDER THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT.

SO THAT'S HOW A LOT OF SCHOOL DISTRICTS HAVE LANDED IN THIS PROCESS.

SO EVEN IF YOU DECIDE NOT TO TO GO TO SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS, IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL FOR YOU TO LOOK AT HOW YOUR POPULATION IS IS DISTRIBUTED ACROSS THE DISTRICT AND TO MAKE SURE THAT THE LARGE SYSTEM THAT YOU HAVE DOES NOT HAVE THE EFFECT OF LIMITING YOUR MINORITY POPULATIONS.

SORRY, DON'T BE SORRY.

YOU'RE THE BOSS. SO LET'S LOOK AT THE ADOPTION OF CRITERIA SLIDE.

IF YOU CAN, PLEASE.

THANK YOU. ONE MORE.

YES. SO WE HAVE PROPOSED CRITERIA FOR YOUR SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICT CONSIDERATION PROCESS.

I WANT IT'S A LITTLE BIT LIKE WHENEVER YOU IF YOU WANT TO BUILD A HOUSE AND YOU'RE LOOKING FOR AN ARCHITECT AND YOU SAY, WELL, I WANT TO BUILD A MODERN HOUSE, I'M GOING TO MY ARCHITECT IS GOING TO HAVE I'M GIVING THEM MY IDEAS AND MY THOUGHTS OF WHAT THIS NEEDS TO LOOK LIKE AND WHAT THIS IS GOING TO BE.

SO THAT THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS, WE KNOW THE DIRECTION THAT WE'RE GOING IN, WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE STATE, WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE WITH THESE CRITERIA.

IT'S JUST SAYING THAT WHENEVER WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS, WHEN WE HAVE MEETINGS WITH A DEMOGRAPHER, WHEN WE HAVE OUR MEETINGS WITH COMMUNITY MEMBERS, WHEN THEY BRING UP CONCERNS AND WE TAKE THOSE CONCERNS IN THAT WE'RE DOING IT ALL WITHIN THIS THIS STANDARD AND THIS THIS ROAD MAP USING THE CRITERIA.

SOME OF THE TRADITIONAL CRITERIA THAT IS USED BY SCHOOL DISTRICT IS USING IDENTIFIABLE GEOGRAPHIC BOUNDARIES.

IF YOU ALL HAVE A RIVER OR A RAILROAD, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES OUR BOUNDARIES ARE DRAWN WHERE THERE'S KIND OF OBVIOUS BOUNDARIES, MAINTAINING COMMUNITIES OF INTEREST.

THIS ONE IS IMPORTANT FOR YOU AND YOUR COMMUNITY TO COME TO US AND TELL US ABOUT YOUR COMMUNITIES OF INTEREST.

BECAUSE I LIVE, I AM A COMMUNITY MEMBER OF DRIPPING SPRINGS AND NOT ROUND ROCK, SO I DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW YOUR COMMUNITY.

IF WE HAVE DRAWN A PROPOSED MAP THAT SPLITS A NEIGHBORHOOD, A HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD IN HALF, AND PEOPLE ARE EMAILING YOU OUTRAGED, THEN WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT TO YOUR COMMUNITY.

AND WE COULD ALSO FACE LEGAL CHALLENGES IF WE'RE DOING THAT TO YOUR COMMUNITY.

SO THIS IS ONE OF THOSE IMPORTANT POINTS WHERE WE TAKE THAT INFORMATION IN AND WE WORK WITH THAT INFORMATION.

WE ALSO TRY TO USE WHOLE VOTING PRECINCTS WHERE POSSIBLE, AND THE PEOPLE WHO RUN YOUR SCHOOL BOARD ELECTIONS WILL THANK YOU

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IT MAKES IT EASIER FOR THEM, AND WE TRY TO ADOPT THOSE DISTRICTS THAT ARE ABOUT EQUAL SIZE AND POPULATION.

THEY WE TRY TO DRAW DISTRICTS THAT ARE COMPACT AND CONTIGUOUS AGAIN, BECAUSE IF DISTRICTS LOOK KIND OF FUNNY, THEY'RE SPREAD OUT A LITTLE BIT WEIRD. MAYBE THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THEM.

BUT JUST THE LOOK OF THEM CAN MAKE SOMEBODY WONDER WHY DID THEY DO IT THAT WAY? AND WE DON'T WANT TO GIVE ANYBODY A REASON TO THINK, WHY DID THEY DO THAT WAY, MAYBE I SHOULD FILE A LAWSUIT.

WE DON'T WANT SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

AND THEN ANOTHER CRITERIA.

AND THIS IS WHAT WE USED IN THE DRAFT MAP.

SEE, WE LOOKED AT YOUR LEARNING COMMUNITIES AND YOUR CAMPUS FEEDING PATTERNS.

WE LOOKED AT YOUR FIVE TRADITIONAL HIGH SCHOOLS AND TRIED TO DRAW DISTRICTS AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE TO THOSE ATTENDANCE BOUNDARIES.

WE GAVE YOU A FOURTH MAP THAT IS NOT MARKED AS A DRAFT MAP, BUT IT'S A FOURTH MAP THAT IS JUST THE CURRENT HIGH SCHOOL ATTENDANCE BOUNDARIES.

AND YOU CAN SEE ON THAT MAP THAT HAD LIKE A 45% DEVIATION.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULDN'T USE BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE MORE THAN THAT 10% DEVIATION.

LET ME TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE NEXT ONE.

WE ALSO CONSIDER MAINTAINING ENCUMBRANCES WHEN WE ARE DRAWING DISTRICTS.

THAT IS A TRADITIONAL REDISTRICTING CRITERIA AND IT IS A VALID ONE.

AND BASICALLY WHAT THAT SAYS IS WE'RE NOT GOING TO USE THE PROCESS TO DRAW ANYONE OUT OF OFFICE.

SO THAT WOULD THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD LOOK AT WHILE WE'RE DOING THIS.

SO WHAT WE WE DO NOT HAVE CURRENTLY THE EXISTING TRUSTEES IN THE CURRENT TRUSTEE RESIDENCES.

AND THAT WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATION THAT WE WOULD TAKE INTO ACCOUNT IN DRAWING THOSE.

AND THE HOPE WOULD BE THAT WE WOULD FIND A DISTRICT FOR EACH OF THE INCUMBENTS AND OR A POSITION AT LARGE AND THEN NOT USE THE REDISTRICTING PROCESS TO CREATE A RADICAL CHANGE IN YOUR ELECTION SYSTEM.

BECAUSE THE FOLKS THAT ARE ON THE BOARD NOW ARE THE FOLKS THAT HAVE BEEN ELECTED, BUT IT WILL GUIDE FUTURE ELECTIONS.

AND THEN WE WE TRY TO NARROWLY TAILOR WHATEVER PLAN WE COME UP WITH TO CONFORM WITH THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT.

AND THE NEXT SLIDE, WE HAVE A PROPOSED SCHEDULE FOR TAKING COMMUNITY INPUT.

IT IS NOT SPREAD OUT OVER MANY MONTHS, BUT IT IS SPREAD OUT OVER YOUR DISTRICT AS A WHOLE.

IT CAN BE USED AS PRESENTED.

IT CAN BE MODIFIED AS AT THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD.

THE PURPOSE FOR USING THIS TIMELINE WOULD BE TO GET THAT INPUT FROM EACH OF YOUR LEARNING COMMUNITIES AND TO HAVE SOME INFORMATION TO COME BACK TO YOU.

OBVIOUSLY, THE BOARD WOULD BE WELCOME AT ALL OF THOSE MEETINGS OR ANY OF THOSE MEETINGS, BUT WE WOULD TAKE COMMENTS AND WE WOULD RELAY THOSE BACK TO YOU FROM THOSE MEETINGS.

I WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO YOUR PROPOSED CALENDAR A TIME WHEN EACH OF THE TRUSTEES WOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY, AND YOU MAY WANT TO DO IT AS A WORKSHOP, OR YOU MAY WANT TO DO IT AS BY APPOINTMENT TO ACTUALLY SIT DOWN AND WITH US AND LOOK AT ANY PARTICULAR CONCERNS THAT YOU SEE WITH THE MAPS, GIVE YOU ACCESS TO THE MAPPING SOFTWARE.

WE COULD DO THAT AT A COMMUNITY MEETING.

SO THAT WE HAVEN'T BUILT THAT INTO THE SCHEDULE.

WE WOULD WANT TO HAVE SOME RULES OF ENGAGEMENT ABOUT THAT BECAUSE WE CAN'T BE MAKING.

IT TAKES A LITTLE TIME.

IN OTHER WORDS, IT DOESN'T HAPPEN INSTANTANEOUSLY.

BUT WE COULD PLAN FOR AN OPPORTUNITY FOR MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY IF THEY WANTED TO COME AND SAY, WE'D LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT YOU CHANGE THIS LINE IN THIS WAY.

THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS POSSIBLE TO DO AS PART OF YOUR EVALUATION PROCESS.

WE'VE PROPOSED THIS SCHEDULE BECAUSE IT MEETS WITH YOUR SCHOOL CLOSURE TIMELINE FOR THE SUMMER.

AND IF YOU WERE THINKING OF DOING SOMETHING BEFORE THE NOVEMBER ELECTION IN GIVING POTENTIAL CANDIDATES AN OPPORTUNITY TO CONSIDER WHETHER THEY

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YOU COMPLETE THE PROCESS BY THE END OF JULY.

JULY 25TH IS THE FIRST DATE TO FILE AN APPLICATION TO RUN ON THE BALLOT FOR NOVEMBER.

IF YOU WANTED TO SPREAD THAT OUT OVER A DIFFERENT TIME PERIOD OR WE ARE OPEN TO THAT.

BUT THESE ARE THE DATES THAT WE WERE ABLE TO SECURE CAMPUSES AND NOT INTERFERE WITH YOUR SUMMER SCHOOL CLOSURES.

IF WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, THIS IS JUST, I THINK THE SAME INFORMATION.

BUT BASICALLY THE TIMELINE WHICH WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A BIT TONIGHT IS I THINK IT IS HELPFUL TO GET COMMUNITY INPUT.

I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL FOR THE BOARD TO SEE, YOU KNOW, JUST EXACTLY HOW THOSE MAPS ARE DRAWN AND HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAY, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO SEE THIS DRAWN A DIFFERENT WAY.

THE FIRST TWO PLANS, WE JUST TOOK YOUR POPULATION AND DIVIDE IT INTO FIVE WITHOUT ANY OTHER INFORMATION, JUST USING TRADITIONAL PRINCIPLES, THEY ENDED UP BEING RATHER NOT TOO DISSIMILAR TO YOUR STUDENT ATTENDANCE ATTENDANCE PATTERNS FOR YOUR FIVE HIGH SCHOOLS. SO IT ACTUALLY ENDS UP TO BE NATURALLY DIVISIBLE BY FIVE.

IN A WAY THAT'S VERY SIMILAR TO THE WAY YOUR CAMPUS IS ARE ALREADY DIVIDED IN TERMS OF ATTENDANCE BOUNDARIES.

OUR LAST WORD. THAT'S RIGHT.

SO THESE MAPS, WE WANTED TO COME WITH SOMETHING.

SO THIS IS NOT WHAT HAS TO BE THE FINAL MAP.

IT CAN LOOK COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN THIS.

AS LONG AS WE ARE WORKING WITHIN THOSE CRITERIA AND AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE DRAWING BOUNDARIES IN A LEGAL WAY. BUT THIS DOESN'T HAVE TO BE YOUR FINAL MAP.

AND THE TIMELINE THAT WE PROVIDED, AGAIN, IS IF WE ARE GOING TO.

TO HAVE THIS DONE IN TIME FOR THE NOVEMBER ELECTION.

THOSE WERE DATES THAT WE COULD PULL TOGETHER.

YOU HAVE CAMPUSES CLOSED FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS AT THE END OF JUNE AND THEN THEY OPEN BACK UP IN JULY.

YOU COULD ADD MORE PUBLIC HEARINGS IN JULY.

THIS IS A STARTING POINT SO THAT WE WOULD HAVE SOME INFORMATION FOR YOU ALL TO CONSIDER.

ALL RIGHT, GREAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.

TRUSTEE HARRISON.

THANK YOU FOR COMING TO PRESENT.

I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT. WE TABLE ANY FURTHER ACTION ON SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS.

NO TIMELINE, JUST LIKE TO TABLE IT.

I'LL SECOND THAT.

I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY COMMENTS? I DO HAVE A COMMENT AND I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF COMMENTS MOSTLY DIRECTED ACTUALLY AT PRESIDENT FELLER AND VICE PRESIDENT HARRISON UP HERE.

BUT I GUESS I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT ONCE AGAIN, IT'S THOSE OF US ON THE WEST.

AUSTIN AND OR TRAVIS COUNTY THAT ARE WANTING TO TALK ABOUT SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS.

AND THOSE OF YOU THAT LIVE IN ROUND ROCK.

THAT DON'T. AND I MEAN, IT IS A PROBLEM AND IT'S A IT'S A PROBLEM.

IF YOU LOOK LIKE STONY POINT AND MCNEIL FEEDER PATTERNS ARE THE TWO LARGEST.

AND WE'RE THE TWO THAT HAVE HAD THE LEAST AMOUNT OF REPRESENTATION.

AND I JUST FIND IT INCREDIBLY FRUSTRATING THAT, ONCE AGAIN, WE'RE GOING TO TABLE THIS AND LEAVE IT AND NOT TALK ABOUT IT.

TRUSTEE WESTON.

THERE MIGHT BE SOME VALIDITY TO THAT TRUSTEE WEIR, THERE MIGHT BE.

WHICH IS WHY IT'S WAS SO SURPRISING TO ME THAT IN THE FALL OF 2021, THIS BOARD WAS CONSUMED WITH MASK MEETING AFTER MASK MEETING AND CENSURE MEETING AND ALL OF THE DIVISIVE, UNPRODUCTIVE TOPICS THAT JUST ERODED AND DIVIDED OUR COMMUNITY.

I THINK IT MIGHT HAVE REALLY BEEN A GOOD THING IF LAST FALL, RATHER THAN FOCUSING OUR TIME AND ENERGY ON ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT LITERALLY DID NOTHING FOR OUR CHILDREN. NOTHING, THAT I PROBABLY WOULD HAVE BEEN SUPPORTIVE IF WE WOULD HAVE STARTED LAST FALL LIKE AISD DID.

THAT'S WHEN THEY STARTED. I ASKED YOU TO START THIS IN MARCH OF 2021, FOUR MONTHS.

I MEAN, THAT'S WHEN YOU TOLD ME YOU WERE NO LONGER IN SUPPORTIVE OF THIS, SO I DON'T.

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NO, I HEAR YOU. BUT IF NOT, I'M ONE PERSON.

I MEAN, IT TAKES ONE.

ONE TRUSTEE CAN PUT AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA PER AN AG OPINION.

SO I AM I HAVE NEVER BEEN A BARRIER TO THIS BEING ON THE AGENDA.

IN FACT, MY EXPERIENCE ON THIS BOARD HAS BEEN THE CONTRARY.

I CAN'T GET MY AGENDA ITEMS ON THE AGENDA ACTUALLY VOTED AGAINST THIS.

YOU VOTED AGAINST THIS BEING ON THE AGENDA.

TRUSTEE XIAO IS RIGHT.

OK I CAN VOTE AGAIN.

I VOTE AGAINST A LOT OF THINGS AND THEY STILL PASS.

SO I MEAN ANYWAY.

BUT TO YOUR POINT ABOUT MCNEIL, I THINK I GOT WE GOT THESE MAPS AT LIKE PATTY, WHAT WAS IT LIKE 11:00 THIS MORNING? I THINK YOU MAILED THESE OR YOU SENT THE EMAIL TO IT.

AND BY THE WAY, FOR MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY, THE MAPS THAT HAVE BEEN REFERENCED TODAY BY THE BOARD AND BY THE ATTORNEY ARE ALL ON OUR WEBSITE ATTACHED TO THIS MEETING AGENDA. SO THIS IS THESE ARE NOT SECRETS, WHICH I'M VERY GLAD TO SEE, YOU KNOW, THAT THESE ARE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC.

AND WHAT WAS INTERESTING TO ME IN THE BRIEF AMOUNT OF TIME THAT I HAD TO LOOK AT THESE WAS SOMETHING I ACTUALLY LEARNED SOMETHING.

IT'S ACTUALLY THE MCNEIL HIGH SCHOOL COMMUNITY, WHICH WILL LIKELY BE IMPACTED THE MOST BY THIS BECAUSE 18,000 RESIDENTS OF THE MCNEIL LEARNING COMMUNITY WILL BE PUSHED OUT OF DISTRICT THREE AND THEY WILL BE PUSHED INTO THE ROUND ROCK HIGH SCHOOL, THE CEDAR RIDGE HIGH SCHOOL AND THE WESTWOOD HIGH SCHOOL LEARNING COMMUNITIES.

I DON'T LIVE IN THE MCNEIL LEARNING COMMUNITY.

I DON'T FEEL THAT IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE ON THIS KIND OF A TIMELINE FOR US TO DO ANYTHING WITH THIS.

IT'S WILDLY INAPPROPRIATE.

THE TIME JUST ISN'T HERE.

IF THIS ONE IS TRULY THE PRIORITY, THEN WE WOULD HAVE ALREADY VISITED THIS.

SO I'M THANK YOU, TRUSTEE HARRISON FOR MAKING THE SAME MOTION I MADE AN HOUR AGO TO TABLE THIS.

AND THANK YOU, DR. BONE, FOR SECONDING IT.

TRUSTEE XIAO.

I'M REALLY TIRED.

LISTEN TO THOSE LIES.

FIRST PRIORITY.

IF YOU REALLY, REALLY FOCUS ON PRIORITY.

YOUR PRIORITY IS WHAT? BRINGING UP. WHAT THINGS ARE ON THE AGENDA.

[INAUDIBLE] FOR YOU.

WHAT IS THE PRIORITY? TRUSTEE XIAO. YOUR SIGNATURE ON THE DIPLOMA.

THAT IS A PRIORITY.

DON'T TALK ABOUT PRIORITY.

ASSUME YOU ARE REALLY FOCUSED ON PRIORITY.

NO, YOU'RE NOT. YOU'RE JUST FOCUSED ON A POINT OF ORDER.

POINT OF ORDER. TRUSTEE XIAO.

I NEED YOU TO FOCUS YOUR COMMENTS ON SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS PLEASE.

FOR SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICT.

THIS IS TRULY A REPRESENTATION ISSUE.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE PAST, LOOK AT WHO COME OUT OF STONY POINT CANDIDATE FROM STONY POINT.

NO, THEY ARE NOT. I DON'T THINK THEY REPRESENT THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE STONY POINT LEARNING COMMUNITY.

THAT'S AN ISSUE BECAUSE FOR ANY PEOPLE TO TO BE HAS ANY POSSIBILITY TO BE ELECTED ON A SCHOOL BOARD.

THEY NEED TO CATER THE DISTRICT THAT THE PART THAT THE AREA THAT HAS THE MOST VOTERS WHERE THE MOST VOTERS LIE, ROUND ROCK HIGH SCHOOL.

SO THAT IS THAT IS VERY DIFFICULT FOR AT LARGE FOR EXAMPLE, STONY POINT FOR MACDILL, FROM WESTWORLD.

VERY HARD TO GET ELECTED.

THAT IS THE ISSUE HERE.

I'M NOT SAYING THAT SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICT WOULD DEFINITELY SOLVE THE ISSUE.

I DON'T KNOW. BUT LET'S LOOK AT IT.

MAYBE THERE ARE SOME CHANGES COMING FORWARD.

I'M JUST REALLY TIRED OF ALL THOSE THINGS THAT, OH, WHY THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN IN EVERY ELECTION? BECAUSE AFTER ELECTION YOU TWO GOT WHAT YOU WANT.

YOU NO LONGER CARE ABOUT SINGLE DISTRICT.

YOU CHANGE YOUR TUNE.

TRUSTEE XIAO. YOU JUMP UP. I HAVE A POINT OF ORDER.

THIS IS WILDLY INAPPROPRIATE.

DISRESPECTFUL. POINT OF ORDER.

PLEASE GET THIS BOARD IN ORDER MADAM CHAIR.

I DIDN'T INTERRUPT YOU.

YOU DON'T INTERRUPT ME.

SO THIS IS REALLY.

GET ME OFF THE [INAUDIBLE] WHY? BECAUSE TWO YEARS OF 2017.

TRUSTEE. NOW THE TRUSTEE REALLY JUMP ON THE WAGON AS TO GET MORE VOTES, SUPPORT A SINGLE DISTRICT.

SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICT. NOW YOU ARE AN ELECTED TRUSTEE.

NO. SUDDENLY THIS IS NOT YOUR THING.

WHY? YOU CHANGE THE TUNE? THIS IS NOTHING TO DO WITH WITH WHETHER THIS SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICT IS ACTUALLY SERVE THE PEOPLE OR NOT.

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TRUSTEE BONE. THANK YOU.

IN REGARDS TO SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS.

I ACTUALLY RAN AT LARGE AND THAT'S HOW I GOT ON THE BOARD.

MY CHILD, MY CHILDREN RESIDE AT CEDAR RIDGE HIGH SCHOOL FEEDER PATTERN.

AND WHAT I HEAR UP HERE IS WHAT PEOPLE SEE IN THE COMMUNITY.

IT'S ACTUALLY THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WITH OUR BOARD.

AND THAT'S WHAT I RAN AT LARGE.

AND I LOOK OUT THERE AND I SEE MCNEIL PARENTS.

I SEE ROUND ROCK HIGH SCHOOL PARENTS.

I SEE CEDAR RIDGE PARENTS.

I SEE WESTWOOD PARENTS.

AND I ACTUALLY SAW A STONY POINT KID.

WHO I GOT TO SHAKE HIS HAND WHEN HE GRADUATED.

I LOVE THEM ALL. I RAN AT LARGE.

I DON'T REPRESENT CEDAR RIDGE HIGH SCHOOL BECAUSE MY CHILD OR I RESIDE THERE.

I REPRESENT ROUND ROCK ISD.

WHEN WE TALK ABOUT REPRESENTATION, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IN SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS, IT'S VERY SELF SERVING.

AND THE ONE THING THAT WE COULD ALL LEARN ON THIS BOARD IS THAT, IN FACT, SINCE MY KIDS GO TO CEDAR RIDGE HIGH SCHOOL, I SHOULD THINK OF CEDAR RIDGE HIGH SCHOOL THE LEAST. I SHOULD THINK OF THE OTHER FOUR FEEDER PATTERNS.

INCLUDING SUCCESS AND EARLY COLLEGE HIGH SCHOOL.

BECAUSE I KNOW CEDAR RIDGE HIGH SCHOOL FEEDER PATTERN.

SO I NEED TO INTENTIONALLY GO AND LEARN THOSE OTHER HIGH SCHOOL FEEDER PATTERNS AND THOSE OTHER HIGH SCHOOLS.

WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF SOME ISSUES UP HERE AND IT'S BEING EXPOSED.

AND IT'S ONE REASON I'M ACTUALLY FOR AT LARGE.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO BE FOR ALL TRANSPARENCY.

ON DECEMBER 8TH OF 2020, WHICH IS LITERALLY, I THINK TEN DAYS AFTER OR 15 DAYS AFTER I WAS ELECTED.

PRESIDENT WEIR NUMBER FIVE AGENDA ITEMS. SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICT.

ALL OF US AT SOME POINT HAVE BEEN INTERESTED IN SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS.

AND JUST LIKE DR.

XIAO, I'M VERY INTERESTED IN LEARNING.

I WANT TO LEARN, BUT THERE ARE TIMES TO LEARN THINGS.

THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS I'D LIKE TO GO LEARN RIGHT NOW.

I'D LIKE TO LEARN HOW TO WHITEWATER RAFT, BUT IT'S NOT THE TIME.

I DON'T HAVE THE TIME TO GO LEARN THAT RIGHT NOW.

I'VE GOT OTHER THINGS TO LEARN AND IT'S JUST NOT THE TIME TO LEARN ABOUT SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS.

IT'S NOT THE TIME TO EDUCATE OUR COMMUNITY.

THEY'RE NOT INTERESTED IN IT RIGHT NOW.

WE'RE NOT BEING FORCED INTO IT.

AND THE OTHER THING IS I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT IS WE HAVE 19 BUSINESS DAYS TILL JULY 25TH.

19. BECAUSE OUR DISTRICT IS OFF ON FRIDAYS RIGHT NOW.

THEY'RE CLOSED FOR TWO WEEKS.

YOU GOT THE 4TH OF JULY.

WE HAVE 19 BUSINESS DAYS.

THIS IS NOT THE TIME TO BE DOING SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS.

TRUSTEE HARRISON, I APPRECIATE THAT YOU RECOGNIZE THAT.

I HOPE THAT WE HAVE A MAJORITY OF THE BOARD THAT REALIZES THAT IT'S NOT THE TIME.

BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? IT IS THE TIME FOR.

IT'S THE TIME FOR ALL OF US TO REALIZE THAT ALL OF US, ALL SEVEN OF US RAN AS AT-LARGE CANDIDATES AND GET OUT OF YOUR HEAD THAT YOU REPRESENT YOUR FEEDER PATTERN.

YOU REPRESENT ALL OF ROUND ROCK ISD STUDENTS.

AND RIGHT NOW WE ARE AT LARGE CANDIDATES.

THANK YOU.

TRUSTEE. WEIR YOUR LIGHT IS ON.

DONE. TRUSTEE HARRISON. YEAH.

I JUST WANNA SAY ONE THING. I AM IN FAVOR OF EXPLORING SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS.

I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF EXPLORING THEM ON THIS TIMELINE.

WE HAVE FOUR MEETINGS IN JULY.

WE RARELY HAVE MEETINGS IN JULY.

I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THERE'S A LOT OF PRIVILEGE AND BEING ABLE TO RUN AT LARGE.

I HAD TO RAISE THE MOST AMOUNT OF MONEY.

RIGHT. AND EVEN WHEN YOU'RE SERVING AT LARGE AND YOU'RE VISITING ALL THESE CAMPUSES AND YOU'RE DOING ALL THE THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE PEOPLE THAT HAVE MAYBE 9 TO 5 DAY JOBS BE ABLE TO SUCCESSFULLY SERVE ON OUR BOARD.

AND I THINK THAT THAT DOES HAVE A LOT TO DO WITH LIKE OUR BOARD OPERATING PROCEDURES, OUR ABILITY TO NOT BE IN A MEETING TILL 4:00 IN THE MORNING.

AND SO MY SUGGESTION TO TABLE IS THIS IS NOT BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT.

I THINK IT'S VITALLY IMPORTANT.

MY MAIN THING IS REPRESENTATION.

I EXEMPLIFY REPRESENTATION.

I AGREE WITH YOU, DR. XIAO.

I DON'T EVEN THINK WHEN I LOOK AT THIS AND I SEE STONY POINT FIRST AS REALLY THE LEAST REPRESENTED COMMUNITY ON THIS BOARD, BUT THE FIRST ONE UP TO MEET.

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IT WASN'T TO BUILD IT RIGHT, BUT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE REPRESENTATION, THOSE PEOPLE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE THE SAME VOICE ON A BOND COMMITTEE.

SO THAT'S WHY THIS IS IMPORTANT.

BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S IMPORTANT ON THIS VERY, VERY BRIEF TIMELINE.

AND FOR THAT REASON, I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THE QUESTION.

I RECEIVE A SECOND UNCALLED THE QUESTION.

SO SURE I'M FOR SECOND.

SO YOU'RE SECONDING TRUSTEE HARRISON'S CALL TO QUESTION.

I THINK THAT THIS DISCUSSION IT'S JUST GONE INTO NAME CALLING IT'S GONE INTO IF YOUR SECONDING THAT'S THE END OF DISCUSSION . SO THAT CALL THE QUESTION SECONDING THIS IS A MOTION TO CALL THE QUESTION TO END THE DISCUSSION ON TRUSTEE HARRISON'S MOTION.

THIS IS NOT A VOTE ON THE MOTION.

IT IS JUST A VOTE ON WHETHER WE'RE ENDING THE DISCUSSION.

ALL IN FAVOR OF ENDING THE DISCUSSION.

RAISE YOUR HAND.

ALL OPPOSED.

MOTION FAILS 4-3.

TRUSTEE WESTON.

I JUST WANT TO ECHO DR.

BONE'S WORDS AND ACTUALLY BROUGHT A PROP TO ILLUSTRATE EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

THIS IS A DOCUMENT THAT I CREATED WHEN I RAN.

THIS IS THE ENTIRE SCHOOL DISTRICT.

THIS IS WHAT I LOOKED AT WHEN I WOKE UP EVERY MORNING.

THIS IS WHAT DROVE WHERE I WAS GOING TO GO THAT DAY TO MEET PEOPLE AND LEARN.

I CANNOT IMAGINE ON THIS KIND OF A TIMELINE, CARVING THIS DISTRICT INTO SMALLER PIECES.

THIS IS ROUND ROCK ISD RIGHT HERE.

WE ARE A DIVIDED COMMUNITY RIGHT NOW.

THE LAST THING WE NEED, THE LAST THING WE NEED IS MORE DIVISION.

THERE MIGHT BE A TIME AND THERE MIGHT BE A PLACE.

AND THERE MIGHT BE A REASON TO FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGE THE WAY WE ELECT SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS IN THIS DISTRICT.

I HAVE AN OPEN MIND AND AN OPEN HEART.

IF IT IS DRIVEN BY DOING BETTER FOR OUR STUDENTS, YOU WILL FIND ME TO BE AN EAGER PARTICIPANT IN THAT CONVERSATION.

BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED.

AND I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT IS THE MOTIVATION OF THIS CONVERSATION.

THIS IS ROUND ROCK ISD RIGHT HERE.

THIS MAP, ALL FIVE LEARNING COMMUNITIES, SUCCESS HIGH SCHOOL, EARLY COLLEGE HIGH SCHOOL, THE ROUND ROCK OPPORTUNITY CENTER.

6000 EMPLOYEES.

THIS IS NOT THE TIME FOR DIVISION.

THIS IS TIME FOR UNITY.

I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER LIGHTS ON, SO I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR OF POSTPONING THIS TOPIC.

TRUSTEE XIAO. I HEARD A LOT OF WORDS.

PEOPLE TALK OVER AND OVER AGAIN, SAY, I SAID THIS.

I HAVE WORDS, I HAVE SLOGANS, I HAVE SIGNS, BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY ACTIONS.

IF YOU SAID THAT YOUR PURPOSE IS TO UNITE THE COMMUNITY, YOU ARE FOR ALL STUDENT.

I NEED TO SEE ACTION.

YOU ARE FOR US STUDENTS FROM WHAT I SEE IS EXACTLY OPPOSITE FROM YOU TWO TRUSTEES.

HONESTLY, YOU ALWAYS SAYS THAT WE DON'T HAVE TIME.

WE DON'T HAVE THE TIME TO INVESTIGATE SINGLE SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICT.

WE DON'T WANT TO WASTE ALL THE TIME.

WHAT DO YOU WASTE YOUR TIME ON? YOU WASTE YOUR TIME ON BADGERING THE ADMINISTRATION FOR WHETHER YOUR BODY PUT YOUR BODY INTO THE.

I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE TABLE.

TRUSTEE BONE.

I'M THINKING ABOUT HOW TO RESPOND BECAUSE IT'S ABOUT SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS.

BUT YOU DID GO IN A LITTLE BIT ON WHAT WE SPEND OUR TIME ABOUT.

AND I WILL RESPOND ABOUT PROM.

YOU'RE RIGHT, JUNE.

I'M TURNING OFF MICROPHONES, IF WE'RE GOING TO GO OFF TOPIC, WE MUST STAY ON TOPIC TO TALK ABOUT SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS.

YES, I WILL TALK ABOUT SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS BECAUSE THIS IS THE REPRESENTATION WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REPRESENTATION OF SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS.

SO IF WE TALK ABOUT REPRESENTATION, WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT STUDENTS.

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I'M HERE TO REPRESENT STUDENTS.

AND THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE PEOPLE THAT DON'T AGREE WITH ALL OF US.

THERE'S PEOPLE IN THE CEDAR RIDGE HIGH SCHOOL FEEDER PATTERN THAT DON'T AGREE WITH ME.

AND THERE ARE GOING TO BE PEOPLE IN WESTWOOD, JUN, THAT DON'T AGREE WITH YOU.

BUT THIS IS ABOUT REPRESENTING AND MAKING THE BEST CHOICES WE CAN WITH THE TIME WE HAVE.

AND THAT INCLUDES THE TOPICS WE TALK ABOUT.

AND OUR AGENDAS.

WE TALK ABOUT OUR BUDGET, OUR AGENDAS AND TALKING ABOUT SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS SHOW WHERE OUR PRIORITIES ARE RIGHT NOW.

AND IT'S REALLY INTERESTING THAT NOBODY IS BROUGHT UP.

WAS THERE ONE? I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ONE SPEAKER TONIGHT I KEPT NOTES.

THERE WAS ONE THAT WAS FOR SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS THAT JUST CAME UP AND SAID, THIS IS ABSOLUTELY THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

THERE WERE PEOPLE LIKE, I'M AGNOSTIC, I'M OKAY WITH IT, BUT THERE WERE PLENTY THAT SAID NO.

AND IT WAS IT'S BEEN POSTED ON THE AGENDA.

SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE, OUR COMMUNITY HAS SPOKEN.

WE'VE ALREADY HAD PUBLIC FORUMS. I SAID THIS LAST TIME, WE HAD ONE AGAIN TONIGHT.

LET IT BE DONE.

SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS.

IT IS SOMETHING ON OUR RADAR, RIGHT? SO IT'S ON THE RADAR, BUT IT'S WAY OFF THE RADAR.

I'M NOT INTERESTED IN IT BECAUSE IT'S NOT, FOR ONE THING, I'LL MAKE THIS POINT.

IF YOU LOOK AT THEIR PACKET, IT SAYS NOTHING ABOUT STUDENT OUTCOMES.

AND JUN I DON'T HAVE TO COME TO MEETINGS TO LEARN.

I HAVE GOOGLE AT MY FINGERTIPS.

I ACTUALLY WENT AND LEARNED ABOUT THIS A LONG TIME AGO.

IT HAS NOTHING TO DO.

SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS IS YOU CAN FIND NO INFORMATION THAT IT'S TIED TO STUDENT OUTCOMES.

IF IT WAS TIED TO STUDENT OUTCOMES, IF IT WAS TIED TO STUDENT SAFETY, I WOULD BE HERE WITH MY PROFESSOR.

LIKE ATTENTION, JUST READY TO LEARN.

BUT IT'S NOT.

IN FACT, THE OPPOSITE.

THE OPPOSITE. YOU SEE THE OPPOSITE.

YOU SEE THAT SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS ACTUALLY BRING A DECLINE IN STUDENT OUTCOMES.

SO THAT'S WHY.

LET'S. YES, IT'S ON THE RADAR.

IS IT GOING TO HAPPEN BEFORE YOU ALL HAVE TO RUN IN NOVEMBER? I DON'T KNOW. IT LOOKS LIKE PROBABLY NOT.

AND AGAIN, 19 DAYS.

SO, AGAIN, I WANT TO CLARIFY.

SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICT HAS PROS AND CONS.

THAT'S THE REASON WE NEED TO START THE INVESTIGATION.

START A DISCUSSION.

START THE PROCESS.

IF YOU SAID RIGHT NOW, IT'S NOT NOT A GOOD TIME TO START.

IS NOVEMBER AFTER NOVEMBER ELECTION? BEFORE THE PREVIOUS.

RIGHT AFTER [INAUDIBLE] IS A GOOD TIME.

THE BOSS SAID NO.

IS IT? I FEEL JANUARY IT'S OKAY? NO. IS IT A MARCH? NO. IT SEEMS TO BE NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN.

ALWAYS. IT'S NOT A GOOD TIME TO TALK ABOUT UNLESS IT'S SOMETIMES YOU THINK, OH, IT IS GOOD FOR YOU.

THAT IS NOT RIGHT.

THAT TO ME IS NOT RIGHT.

CAN I JUST SAY. LET ME LET ME FINISH.

OKAY. I NEVER INTERRUPT YOU.

OKAY. LET ME FINISH.

SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICT IN 2017.

A PORTION I'M NOT SAYING IS A LARGE PORTION OF COMMUNITY.

A PORTION OF COMMUNITY START A PETITION.

DID THE DID THE BOARD TAKE ANY ACTION TO TALK ABOUT IT? NO. THIS COMMUNITY WANTS THESE THINGS TO HAPPEN.

NOTHING HAPPENED.

THE BOARD HAD NO INTEREST IN THAT.

WHY IS THAT? WHY IS THAT? SO IN 2017 IS NOT A GOOD TIME.

IT'S NOT EMERGENCY OR WHATEVER.

RIGHT NOW, IT'S NOT AN EMERGENCY.

NOBODY IS NOBODY IS TAKING A LAWSUIT.

LAWSUIT AGAINST THE DISTRICT ABOUT VOTING ACT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

BUT WHEN IS A GOOD TIME? IT SEEMS TO BE FOREVER.

NOBODY IS NOBODY WHAT MY WHOLE VIEWPOINT ABOUT THIS IS IS TO ME, IT'S JUST LIKE A ACT TO PRESERVE THE STATUS QUO.

ONCE YOU GET ELECTED, YOU CHANGE YOUR YOU CHANGE YOUR WORK AND SAYS, OH, I'M NOT NO LONGER INTERESTED IN STUDENT THE SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICT.

THAT IS IT'S A VERY IF YOU TALK ABOUT POLITICS, IT'S JUST POLITICS.

AND I NOT AGREE WITH THAT.

AND IN TERMS OF THE PROS AND CONS, AGAIN, I SAID A SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICT I AGREE WITH YOU.

IF YOU IF A TRUSTEE THAT GETS ELECTED AT LARGE HE IS RESPONSIBLE TO THINK ABOUT EVERY SINGLE STUDENT STUDENT ACROSS ALL LEARNING COMMUNITY.

THAT IS WHAT A LARGE TRUSTEE SHOULD BE DOING.

BUT FROM MY OBSERVATION, THE PAST TWO YEARS, I DID NOT SEE THAT.

I SEE THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF THAT.

[02:15:03]

FOR TRUSTING BOWMAN AND FOR [INAUDIBLE] YOU ARE JUST SERVING A SMALL COMMUNITY.

THAT VOCAL COMMUNITY THAT SERVES YOU, THAT REALLY SUPPORTS YOU.

YEAH. THERE'S A COMMUNITY SUPPORT YOU.

YOU ARE JUST WORKING FANATICALLY FOR THESE SMALL COMMUNITIES.

THAT IS NOT AT LARGE.

THAT'S EXACT OPPOSITE OF A LARGE.

THAT'S WHY I THINK THAT'S MY PERSONAL OPINION.

I THINK THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE IN TERMS OF DOWNSIDE.

THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A LARGE AND A SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICT, BECAUSE I ALREADY SEE THE DIFFERENCE WHEN BEFORE YOU GET ELECTED AND AFTER YOU GET ELECTED.

AND AGAIN, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS.

FOR ONE THING, ACTUALLY, THE REASON I WANT TO START THIS PROCESS, AS YOU MENTIONED, THAT THERE'S WHETHER WE GO THROUGH THE SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICT, THERE'S A POSSIBILITIES THERE WILL BE LEGAL CHALLENGES.

BECAUSE OF WHAT WE DO.

SO I'M JUST WONDERING, IS THERE ANY EXISTING DEMOGRAPHIC STUDY ABOUT OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT TO TO LOOK AT WHAT IS CURRENT SITUATIONS, WHAT IS THE WHAT ARE THE VOTER DISTRIBUTION? THOSE ARE THOSE ARE THINGS ACTUALLY, I'M INTERESTED IN LEARNING ABOUT IT.

THAT'S NOT SOMETHING I CAN GOOGLE ABOUT.

THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT.

I DON'T KNOW. CAN I RESPOND? I'D LIKE TO CALL THE QUESTION.

I'M GOING TO ATTEMPT THIS AGAIN.

CALL THE QUESTION. DO I GET A SECOND? SECOND? I HAVE A MOTION TO CALL THE QUESTION.

I HAVE A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR FOR ENDING DISCUSSION.

RAISE YOUR HAND. ALL OPPOSED.

ABSTAINING. TRUSTEE XIAO YOU DIDN'T VOTE.

ON WHICH ONE? AGAINST. AGAINST.

ALL RIGHT, LET'S KEEP TALKING.

IT'S NOT. IT HAS TO BE.

IT HAS TO BE 5-2 TO CALL TO QUESTION.

SO LET'S KEEP TALKING ABOUT IT.

WELL, I THINK I'M UP NEXT.

WELL, ACTUALLY, JUN ACTUALLY INTERRUPTED ME.

I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY CAUGHT THAT.

ACTUALLY, TRUSTEE HARRISON WAS NEXT.

WELL, NO, BUT JUN INTERRUPTED ME.

I ACTUALLY LET HIM. I WAS ACTUALLY WAITING FOR YOU TO END.

I'M TURNING OFF MICROPHONES.

WE NEED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE DECORUM IN THE ROOM.

PLEASE WAIT FOR YOU TO BE CALLED ON.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE INTERRUPTING EACH OTHER.

TRUSTEE BONE. IF HE INTERRUPTED YOU.

I DIDN'T CATCH THAT. I APOLOGIZE.

DOES ANYONE? I HAVE LIGHTS ON FROM TRUSTEE HARRISON AND TRUSTEE.

WESTON. TRUSTEE BONE WERE YOU FINISHED WITH YOUR COMMENTS.

AM I ON? MY ONLY COMMENT WAS, I WANT EVERYBODY TO BE VERY CLEAR.

THERE WAS A MOTION MADE, THE LAST MEETING TO DELAY THIS UNTIL AFTER NOVEMBER.

AND THAT MOTION FAILED TO LEARN MORE.

RIGHT. AND IT FAILED TO LEARN MORE.

AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN WE HAVE MAPS AND TIMELINES AND TRYING TO GET IT DONE BEFORE NOVEMBER.

AND THAT'S WHAT THAT'S ALL WE'RE SAYING.

PUT THE BRAKES ON.

LET'S DO THIS RIGHT.

BECAUSE THE OTHER THING IS, LET'S DO THIS RIGHT.

AND THAT'S WHAT THE MOTION IS RIGHT NOW THAT I'M TRYING TO GET US TO VOTE ON.

SO WELL, BUT THAT'S WHAT I WOULD I HOPE THAT GETS BROAD SUPPORT BECAUSE IT'S A LITTLE IFFY IT LOOKS HERE AND IT LOOKS SO I HOPE IT GETS A VOTE ON IT.

SURE. TRUSTEE.

HARRISON. I MOVE TO VOTE ON THE MOTION THAT I PROPOSED FOREVER AGO.

CAN WE PLEASE VOTE? THAT WOULD BE THAT WOULD BE CALLED A QUESTION.

AND IT'S FAILED TWICE. SO TRUSTEE.

NO, BUT IT'S ITS OWN MOTION.

I DON'T HAVE A SECOND ON IT.

MY SECOND. HOLD ON.

I THINK THE ONLY, Y'ALL ARE THROWING OUT ALL THESE MOTIONS.

HOLD ON. THE ONLY MOTION RIGHT NOW THAT'S PENDING IS THE ONE THAT HAS BEEN PENDING.

RIGHT. THE ONE THAT TRUSTEE HARRISON SAID.

RIGHT. THIS DISCUSSION AND BONE, DR.

BONE SECONDED IT RIGHT TO TABLE THE SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICT ISSUE WITH NO TIMELINES.

IT'S JUST MOTION TO TABLE THAT.

CORRECT. THAT'S WHAT WAS PENDING AS A MOTION.

THE ONLY MOTION THAT I'M AWARE OF, Y'ALL DID A COUPLE OF CALL THE QUESTIONS.

IT FAILED. SO RIGHT NOW THAT'S THE ONLY MOTION THAT'S PENDING.

IS THERE ANOTHER MOTION THAT'S TRYING TO BE FORWARD? CAN I MOVE TO VOTE ON A PENDING MOTION? IS THAT CAN I DO THAT? THAT'S NOT REALLY KIND OF THE PROPER CIRCLES.

SO IT'S REALLY IF THERE WAS NO MORE DISCUSSION, THEN IT IS TIME THAT WAS TAKEN.

I HAVE LOTS OF LIGHTS ON, MORE LIGHTS, AND I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT EVERYBODY'S POSITION IS.

YOU'RE NOT GOING TO CHANGE ANYBODY'S MIND.

CAN WE PLEASE JUST VOTE ON THE MOTION? BOARD PRESIDENT DOES NOT CANNOT LIMIT DISCUSSION, BUT CAN WE PLEASE VOTE? WAIT. WHAT? WHAT WAS IT? I'M SORRY. I'LL CALL ON YOU IF YOUR LIGHTS ON.

TRUSTEE WESTON. YOU'RE NEXT.

I WASN'T SO SORRY.

TRUSTEE HARRISON HAD HER LIGHT ON AND.

YEAH, WE DIDN'T FINISH. SHE DID.

I CALLED ON HER.

I MOVED TO LIMIT THE TIME FOR THIS DEBATE TO FIVE MORE MINUTES.

[02:20:03]

I HAVE A MOTION TO LIMIT ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION TO 5 MINUTES.

ALL IN FAVOR. RAISE YOUR HAND.

ALL OPPOSED, BUT WE'RE VOTING.

OPPOSED, SO ONE PERSON CAN TAKE ENTIRE 5 MINUTES.

NO, THE 5 MINUTES.

THAT WAS YOUR MOTION, DR.

XIAO. SO I HAVE 6 FOR.

ARE YOU VOTING FOR OR AGAINST TRUSTEE XIAO? I'M NOT CLEAR ABOUT THE MOTION.

OKAY, OKAY. OKAY. IT'S SIX ONE.

I THINK HE VOTED YES.

SORRY, SORRY.

I'M TRYING. I CANNOT HAVE THIS.

IT IS TOO CHAOTIC.

AND I KNOW THE MOTION IS TO LIMIT DISCUSSION FOR FIVE MORE MINUTES.

IF IT PASSES, TRUSTEE HARRISON WILL TURN ON THE TIMER FOR 5 MINUTES.

WE HAVE 5 MINUTES FOR WHOEVER SPEAKS.

I HAVE SIX VOTES FOR.

TRUSTEE XIAO, I HAVE NOT RECEIVED YOUR VOTE.

ARE YOU VOTING FOR OR AGAINST TO LIMIT THE DISCUSSION? WE HAVE SEVEN TRUSTEE.

WHAT? HOW ABOUT ONE TRUSTEE GET EACH GET ONE MINUTE.

THAT'S EQUAL. I UNDERSTAND, BUT ARE YOU FOR OR AGAINST THE MOTION? IT'S GOING TO PASS EITHER WAY.

BUT I HAVE TO HAVE YOUR LOOK AT IT.

YOU'RE AGAINST IT. MOTION PASSES SIX- ONE.

TRUSTEE HARRISON, START THE TIMER.

THANK YOU. TRUSTEE ARE YOU FINISHED? TRUSTEE HARRISON? YES. TRUSTEE WESTON.

JUN YOU'RE SPENDING YOUR TIME ATTACKING ME PERSONALLY.

YOU'RE SPENDING YOUR TIME ASSERTING THAT YOUR OPINION IS THAT I AM NOT SERVING THE ENTIRE DISTRICT.

YOU'RE USING PERSONAL ATTACKS.

YOU'RE WHICH IS A VIOLATION OF BOARD ETHICS.

IT IS A VIOLATION OF ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER.

ARE WE TALKING ABOUT.

I'M SORRY. WE NEED TO BE DISCUSSING THE SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICT, THE MOTION PENDING.

SO THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT MY POINT.

THE BOARD CHAIR.

YOU ARE ALLOWING HIM RATHER THAN STAYING ON TOPIC, RATHER THAN DEBATING THE MERITS OF THE AGENDA ITEM OR THE MOTION THAT IS PUT FORWARD. THE TIME IS NOT BEING SPENT ON THAT.

THE TIME IS BEING SPENT ON THE PERSONAL ATTACKS.

PERSONAL. WE ARE ALL ENTITLED TO OUR OPINIONS ABOUT EACH OTHER.

BUT WE ARE NOT ENTITLED TO USE THE PUBLIC'S TIME TO ABUSE THE TIME OF THE STAFF MEMBERS TO SIT AND WITNESS THIS.

AND I DON'T SAY THAT AS SOMEBODY WHO IS PERFECT.

I AM NOT PERFECT.

I HAVE FALLEN SHORT AT TIMES AND EXERCISING 100% DISCIPLINE ON THAT AT THIS DAIS.

BUT IT HAS IT HAS REACHED SUCH A TOXIC LEVEL FROM THIS END JUN.

SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS AND IT'S NOT HELPFUL.

SO AGAIN, MY OPPOSITION TO DISCUSSING SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS RIGHT NOW IS NOT AN OPPOSITION TO SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS.

I KEEP SAYING THAT, THAT IS NOT THE ISSUE.

IT'S THE TIMING.

THERE'S A TIME TO EAT PIZZA.

AND IT'S NOT WHEN YOU'RE 20 POUNDS OVERWEIGHT, WE HAVE TO EXERCISE GOOD JUDGMENT.

THE COMMUNITY DOES NOT WANT THIS RIGHT NOW.

THEY DON'T WANT US SPENDING OUR TIME ON IT RIGHT NOW.

THERE'S NO AMBIGUITY.

IT'S VERY CLEAR.

IT'S NOT CONFUSING.

IT'S NOT HARD TO UNDERSTAND.

I DON'T EVEN HAVE A PHD AND I CAN FIGURE THAT OUT.

YOU DON'T HAVE THE COMMUNITY WANTS US TO SPEND TIME ON THINGS THAT THEY BELIEVE IMPACT THEIR CHILDREN.

THAT IS WHAT THEY WANT.

THAT IS WHY I AM OPPOSED TO THIS POINT.

FOR THE AUDIENCE, PLEASE.

WE HAVE TO FINISH OUR BUSINESS, PLEASE.

BUT THAT IS NOT TO SAY THAT AT A DIFFERENT TIME AND UNDER DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES, AND PROBABLY, QUITE HONESTLY, WITH A DIFFERENT TEAM. THAT THIS MAY BE SHOULD BE EXPLORED IN THE FUTURE.

BUT THE TIME IS NOT NOW.

TRUSTEE XIAO THOUGHT, THIS COMMUNITY DOES NOT REPRESENT THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY.

DON'T CONFUSE THOSE THINGS.

THE TWO OK.

THE SECOND THING IS YOU TALK ABOUT TALK ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS.

SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICT AGAIN.

DISTRICTS, SINGLE MEMBER.

WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE PROS AND CONS.

WE WANT TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT, NOT SOME FANCY EXCUSE THAT THIS IS NOT A RIGHT TIME.

WE NEED TO FIND THE TIME TO DISCUSS ABOUT THE PROS AND CONS.

FOCUS THOSE THINGS INSTEAD OF JUST GET FANCY EXCUSES, SAY NO.

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WE CAN VOTE.

BUT THE RECOMMENDATION I MADE OR THE MOTION I MADE DIDN'T SAY WHEN TO TABLE IT SO WE COULD PICK IT BACK UP IN THE FALL.

WE COULD PICK IT BACK UP WHEN SCHOOL STARTS.

I SIMPLY SAID WE HAVE FOUR MEETINGS WITHIN TWO WEEKS IN JULY AND WE'RE NORMALLY OFF AND THIS JUST FEELS OFF.

IF THERE ARE NO MORE LIGHTS, WE COULD GO AHEAD AND VOTE.

I HAVE NO MORE LIGHTS ON.

NOPE. THERE'S ONE MINUTE LEFT.

AGAIN. I THINK THEY'LL ALWAYS HAVE OTHER THINGS GOING ON MOVING FORWARD.

AND MAYBE, I AGREE THAT THE TIMELINE SEEMS RUSHED.

I VERY MUCH AGREE WITH THAT.

BUT THE THING IS THAT THERE'S SO MANY THINGS GOING ON THE DISTRICT.

WHEN THE SCHOOL STARTS, WE HAVE ABSOLUTELY LOTS OF OTHER THINGS NEED TO DISCUSS, NEED TO BE MORE HIGHER PRIORITY THAN SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS.

THAT'S WHY I REALLY, REALLY FOR LET'S HAVE EXPLORED THIS OPTION RIGHT NOW.

DURING THE SUMMER WHEN EVERYBODY HAS A BREAK BECAUSE THIS IS THIS SINGLE MEMBER IS A BOARD ACTIVITY HAS LITTLE TO DO WITH ADMINISTRATION STUFF.

THAT'S ALL RIGHT. OUR TIME HAS EXPIRED.

WE HAVE A MOTION TO POSTPONE THE SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS TO TABLE THE DISCUSSION.

ALL IN FAVOR OF RAISE YOUR HAND.

ALL OPPOSED.

MOTION PASSES 4-2.

THANK YOU, LADIES.

FOR I MEAN, SORRY 4.

MOTION FAILS, MOTION PASSES FOUR THREE.

WE WILL TABLE THIS DISCUSSION.

THANK YOU, LADIES, FOR YOUR PRESENTATION TONIGHT.

IT IS 9:27.

WE'RE TAKING A TEN MINUTE RECESS.

THANK YOU. IT IS 9:38.

WE ARE BACK IN SESSION.

WE ARE MOVING TO AGENDA ITEM D4, BOARD OPERATING PROCEDURES.

DR. AZAIEZ, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SAY BEFORE WE START WORKING ON THIS? NO, I JUST. WE HAVE BEEN WORKING REALLY TO KIND OF ADAPT OR ADJUST SOME OF THIS INFORMATION BASED ON RECOMMENDATION FROM OUR BOARD MEMBERS.

SO I HAVE JACOB HERE TO PRESENT AND TAKE US THROUGH THIS, THESE CHANGES, POSSIBLE CHANGES, I GUESS.

THANK YOU. IT'S JUST A REMINDER, TRUSTEES, THIS WAS ON THE AGENDA FOR A MEETING ON APRIL THE 25TH AND WE WERE UNABLE TO GET A QUORUM.

I WAS OUT OF THE COUNTRY, BUT WE WERE UNABLE TO GET A QUORUM ON THAT NIGHT.

AND SO THIS IS A REPLAY OF DISCUSSION ON BOARD OPERATING PROCEDURES.

SO MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE YOU HAVE A HARD COPY OF BOARD OPERATING PROCEDURES IN YOUR PURPLE FOLDER.

SO MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT YOU PULL OUT YOUR COPY AND WE CAN GO THROUGH PAGE BY PAGE TO SEE IF TRUSTEES HAVE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS AS WE GO THROUGH THESE PROCEDURES.

DO I HAVE ANY OTHER PROPOSALS ON HOW WE GO THROUGH THIS? THAT WORKS. OKAY.

WELL, THEN LET'S GET GOING.

WE'LL START ON PAGE FIVE WITH THE CODE OF ETHICS BBF LOCAL.

IT'S TIED TO BBF LOCAL.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY PROPOSALS TO BBF? PLEASE USE YOUR BUTTONS TRUSTEE WESTON YEAH.

SO I BELIEVE THAT WE NEED TO CHANGE PAGE FIVE TO HAVE THIS BBF LOCAL MATCH.

WHAT TAB SAYS THIS BBF LOCAL ADS ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR LINE ITEMS THAT TASB DOES NOT INCLUDE.

AND SO I THINK WE SHOULD REMOVE THOSE FOR EVERYONE'S SAKE.

CAN YOU POINT OUT THE ITEMS THAT TASB DOES NOT INCLUDE THAT WE DO.

RIGHT. SO TASB UNDER EQUITY IN ATTITUDE, THERE'S OURS MIRRORS THEIRS.

SO I WOULD SAY NO CHANGES THERE FOR TRUSTWORTHINESS IN STEWARDSHIP.

THIS LAST ONE THAT STARTS, I WILL MAKE CERTAIN THAT COMMUNITY MEMBERS UNDERSTAND MY ROLE AS A TRUSTEE, ETC.

THAT THAT IS SOME SORT OF A LOCAL EDITION THAT TASB DOES NOT RECOMMEND.

SO I WOULD NEED THAT TO BE REMOVED IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO VOTE FOR THIS.

AND THEN UNDER..

NOT THAT NOT THAT TASB DOESN'T RECOMMEND IT, IT'S JUST NOT INCLUDED IN THEIR VERSION..

CORRECT. NOT IN THE WHEN I SAY THEY DON'T RECOMMEND IT, I'M SAYING IT'S NOT IN THE TASB VERSION.

JUST CLARIFYING.

AND THEN IN HONOR AND CONDUCT THE TASB VERSION DOES NOT INCLUDE THE LAST ITEM THERE.

I WILL NOT PHYSICALLY OR VERBALLY THREATEN OR INTIMIDATE ANOTHER TRUSTEE OR STAFF MEMBER, ET CETERA.

THAT IS NOT IN THE TASB VERSION, PROBABLY BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHER WAYS THAT THAT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE.

[02:30:04]

I WILL NOT ENCOURAGE COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO WORK AGAINST THE DISTRICT AND FELLOW TRUSTEES.

MY GUESS IS THE REASON THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING LIKE THAT IS BECAUSE THAT IS SUBJECT TO INTERPRETATION.

WORKING AGAINST THE DISTRICT WOULD HAVE OBVIOUSLY DIFFERENT DEFINITIONS FOR DIFFERENT PEOPLE.

UNDER COMMITMENT TO SERVICE OUR VERSION MIRRORS TASB AND THEN UNDER STUDENT CENTERED FOCUS.

LET'S SEE THEIR SECOND ONE THERE.

I WILL REFLECT MY AT LARGE BOARD POSITION IN ALL MY DECISIONS.

TASB DOES NOT HAVE THAT.

I DON'T NECESSARILY EVEN HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.

BUT WE ARE ELECTED AT LARGE.

SO I THINK IT'S UP TO US TO REFLECT ON THAT.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE STATED.

SO I NEED THIS TO MIRROR TASB TO IN ORDER TO BE SUPPORTIVE BEFORE BEFORE WE GET INTO SUBSTANTIVE TALK ABOUT THAT, I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR.

SO THIS IS OUR POLICY RIGHT NOW.

SO ON A LOT OF THESE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO UPDATE NOT ONLY THE BOARD OPERATING PROCEDURES, BUT ALSO POLICY.

SO IT'S A LITTLE AWKWARD TRYING TO UPDATE ONE WITHOUT THE OTHER, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY TAKE THE CHANGES THAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING AND OPERATING PROCEDURES AND THEN UPDATE POLICY TO REFLECT THAT. BUT JUST KNOW IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AN IMMEDIATE CHANGE BECAUSE A LOT OF THESE, AGAIN, IT'S MIRRORING THE POLICY LANGUAGE, WHICH WILL THEN NEED TO BE UPDATED AS WELL. SO ALL THE PROVISIONS YOU JUST READ, TRUSTEE WESTON ARE IN OUR POLICY AS WELL, BUT WE'LL NEED TO UPDATE THOSE PER ANY CHANGES THAT YOU ALL WANT.

SO TRUSTEE WESTON HAS PROPOSED OMITTING ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR ITEMS FROM OUR CODE OF ETHICS.

DOES ANYBODY ELSE CAN YOU JUST REPEAT WHAT THE FIRST ONE WAS? I'M SORRY. THE LAST BULLET POINT.

UNDER TRUSTWORTHINESS AND STEWARDSHIP, I WILL MAKE CERTAIN THAT COMMUNITY MEMBERS UNDERSTAND.

MY ROLE AS A TRUSTEE IS TO FACILITATE QUESTIONS AND COMPLAINTS BEING RESOLVED AT THE ADMINISTRATIVE LEVEL BY THE SUPERINTENDENT OR STAFF IN ACCORDANCE WITH LOCAL POLICY.

THANK YOU. IF WE ELIMINATED THAT, THAT MIGHT TIE IN TO ANOTHER POLICY WHERE IT SAYS THAT COMPLAINTS SHALL BE FORWARDED TO THE SUPERINTENDENT.

SO THAT WOULD REQUIRE US TO UPDATE THAT, WHICH I DON'T THINK IS BBF.

IS IT? THAT'S A DIFFERENT POLICY THAT THAT.

I BELIEVE THAT'S A DIFFERENT POLICY.

YES. BUT AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, WHATEVER CHANGES WE DECIDE ON ARE STILL GOING TO BE IN DRAFT FORM UNTIL WE ARE ABLE TO GET ALL THE POLICY CHANGES TO REFLECT WHAT WE DISCUSSED TONIGHT.

SO DO I HAVE CONSENSUS FROM AT LEAST THREE OTHER TRUSTEES THAT THEY WANT TO REMOVE THOSE FOUR BULLET POINTS? NO. HOW WILL WE DO THIS? HOW WILL WE GAIN CONSENSUS? ARE YOU GOING TO GO DOWN THE ROW? AND I'M GOING TO JUST LOOK FOR CONSENSUS IN CHANGING EACH ONE.

AND IF WE HAVE CONSENSUS, THEN WE CAN TAKE IT BACK TO ADMINISTRATION TO BRING US AN UPDATED VERSION IN THE APPLICABLE POLICIES THAT THEY RELATE TO AS WELL.

TRUSTEE BONE. CAN I ASK A GENERAL QUESTION BECAUSE YOU WERE JUST SAYING AND I THINK THIS IS TRUE, THIS IS BBF LOCAL, RIGHT? THIS IS EXACTLY WORD FOR WORD.

CAN WE ACTUALLY REMOVE ALL OF THE STUFF THAT'S VERBATIM FROM OUR BOARD OPERATING PROCEDURES AS IN OUR POLICY? BECAUSE I THOUGHT THE CONCEPT OF THE BOARD OPERATING PROCEDURE IS ACTUALLY TO EXPAND ON OUR POLICY AND CLARIFY THE POLICY.

BUT LIKE, YOU KNOW, JACOB, YOU WERE JUST SAYING, IS THAT SOME OF IT IT'S LITERALLY THE EXACT SAME.

AND WE'RE CHANGING IT IN TWO PLACES.

AND AS SOMEBODY THAT WORKS WITH DOCUMENTS FOR A LIVING, IT'S LIKE THE WORST.

AND SO WOULD THE BOARD MAYBE BE AMENABLE TO ACTUALLY GETTING RID OF ALL OF THIS STUFF OUT OF BOARD OPERATING PROCEDURES? THAT'S VERBATIM OUR POLICIES.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE A PROPER THING TO DO.

I MEAN, THE IMPORTANT PART WAS ALIGNING BOARD OPERATING PROCEDURES WITH YOUR CURRENT POLICIES.

AND IF YOU GUYS WANT TO LATER CHANGE POLICIES, YOU CAN DO THAT.

BUT THE EASIER THING RIGHT NOW IS TO DO THAT.

GO AHEAD. THE ONLY BENEFIT TO HAVING IT HERE IS JUST THAT IT'S ALL IN ONE PLACE.

SO YOU'RE NOT CLICKING THROUGH TEN DIFFERENT POLICIES TO TRY TO FIND IT.

BUT AGAIN, IT'S UP TO YOU ALL.

YOU CAN TAKE IT OUT IF YOU WANT BECAUSE IT IS REFLECTED IN POLICY OR YOU CAN JUST REFER TO CBF LOCAL, YOU KNOW, LIKE INSTEAD OF USING THE ENTIRE RATE BECAUSE HONESTLY NONE OF US HAVE BEEN USING BOARD OPERATING PROCEDURES.

I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THIS DOCUMENT EXISTED UNTIL, I DON'T KNOW, A LONG TIME AGO.

SEPTEMBER. IT'S BEEN A WHILE.

I MEAN, AND OBVIOUSLY IT HASN'T BEEN UPDATED SINCE MARCH 28TH OF 2019.

AND SO IT'S BECOME THERE'S TWO DOCUMENTS.

IT ACTUALLY IS AN EXPENSE OF THE DISTRICT, BECAUSE JACOB HAS TO GO THROUGH THIS AND YOU HAD TO LOOK THROUGH ALL THE CHANGES PAID EXTRA TO GO THROUGH THIS SO WELL.

BUT IT'S YOUR TIME. IT MEANS YOU'RE NOT DOING SOMETHING ELSE.

I MEAN, TIME IS MONEY. MONEY IS TIME.

IT MEANS YOU'RE NOT DOING SOMETHING ELSE.

SO IT DOES COST.

SO I DON'T KNOW.

I WOULD JUST DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS MAYBE TO REMOVE THINGS THAT ARE LITERALLY VERBATIM? I WOULD ACTUALLY AGREE TO THAT.

I MEAN, I THINK JUST MENTIONING THE POLICY IS PLENTY.

[02:35:02]

SO I'M NOT ACTUALLY LIKE REMOVING IT FROM BOARD OPERATING PROCEDURES AND JUST USE IT AS A REFERENCE SO THAT WE DON'T LINE ITEM OUT THE SAME PLACE.

IS THAT A GOOD COMPROMISE? YEAH, THAT'S ACTUALLY WHAT I WAS THINKING.

OKAY, SO THAT'S PERFECT. SO.

THEN THAT TAKES ME DOES.

IF WE'RE NOT MODIFYING POLICY, WOULD WE? HELP ME OUT WITH THIS. JACOB.

ON IF TRUSTEE WESTON WANTS TO PROPOSE POLICY CHANGES TO POLICY BBF LOCAL WHAT WOULD BE THE BEST ROUTE TO DO THAT? YEAH.

WE PROBABLY NEED A SEPARATE AGENDA ITEM.

I MEAN IF WE'RE. YEAH.

IF WE'RE CHANGING, IF WE WERE CHANGING IT IN THE BOARD OPERATING PROCEDURES, THEN WE CAN KIND OF COME BACK WITH, WITH BBD LOCAL AND SAY HERE'S THE CHANGES THAT WE TALKED ABOUT.

SO TO ENSURE THAT POLICY IS ALIGNED WITH OPERATING PROCEDURES, BUT IF WE'RE JUST DELETING ALL THAT INFORMATION FROM OPERATING PROCEDURES, WE PROBABLY NEED TO COME BACK WITH LANGUAGE FOR LOCAL TO REFLECT THE CHANGES THAT TRUSTEE WESTON DISCUSSED.

AND THEN THE BOARD CAN CONSIDER THOSE CHANGES AND WE CAN UPDATE IT IF NEEDED.

BECAUSE ONE OF THE REASONS I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR ON WHY I WANT TO DO THIS TOO, IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE DISCUSSING.

BECAUSE ACTUALLY, IF WE CHANGE IT IN OUR BOARD OPERATING PROCEDURE, THE POLICY ACTUALLY TRUMPS ARE OPERATING PROCEDURE.

SO MAKING THESE CHANGES IS KIND OF VERY CONFUSING AND IT'S ACTUALLY NOT CORRECT BECAUSE YOU ACTUALLY NEED TO MAKE THEM IN POLICY FIRST AND THEN BOARD OPERATING PROCEDURES. AND THAT'S WHY I WOULD RATHER JUST GET THEM, JUST REFERENCE THEM IN HERE, MAKE CHANGES IN ONE PLACE.

OKAY. OKAY.

SO WE'LL PUT THAT ON THE AGENDA FOR NEXT TIME.

WE'RE LOOKING AT POLICIES.

I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY HOW WE'RE GOING TO WHEN WE'RE GOING TO BRING THAT BACK UP, BUT THAT TAKES US TO PAGE SIX BOARD MEETINGS, DEVELOPING MEETING AGENDAS.

THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THIS THAT'S ALREADY BEEN REDLINED IS EVERYBODY HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THIS.

ANY FEEDBACK ABOUT THE PROPOSED CHANGES.

TRUSTEE BONE.

YES, ON NUMBER TWO AND I BELIEVE THIS IS ACTUALLY BROUGHT UP BY A COMMUNITY MEMBER ALSO IS THAT I WOULD ACTUALLY AND I DIDN'T GET TIME, BUT I BELIEVE IN OUR BOARD POLICY.

WE ACTUALLY HAVE SOMETHING ABOUT AGENDAS AND I DON'T THINK IT SAYS CONSENSUS.

SO YEAH, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THIS ALIGNS WITH OUR POLICY.

SO THIS WOULD NUMBER TWO, JUST LIKE THE ONE WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, THIS WOULD PROPOSE, THIS WOULD ACTUALLY REQUIRE US TO GO IN AND CHANGE OUR POLICIES. SO IF WE'RE PROPOSING A CHANGE IN HERE, IT WILL BE REFLECTED IN THE BOARD POLICY, RIGHT? SO I GUESS THIS IS WHAT I PROPOSE.

I THINK WE NEED TO GO CHANGE OUR POLICIES FIRST AND THEN UPDATE OUR BOARD OPERATING PROCEDURES BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THIS IS.

I MEAN, IT'S CHANGING THE POLICY, LIKE RECOMMENDING THE CHANGES.

THEN THE ADMINISTRATION WILL BRING BACK THE CHANGES IN THOSE POLICIES THAT WILL ALSO BE SIMULTANEOUSLY REFLECTED IN OUR BOARD OPERATING PROCEDURES.

THEY'RE NOT TWO INDEPENDENT DOCUMENTS.

AND SO, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, THE CHANGES, ANY PROPOSED CHANGE THAT WE MADE TO OPERATING PROCEDURES TONIGHT ARE NOT GOING TO BE EFFECTIVE TONIGHT BECAUSE AGAIN, LIKE PRESIDENT, WE ARE FELLER FELLER.

SORRY. YEAH. SAID WE WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND CHANGE POLICIES FOR MOST.

SOME OF THIS IS NOT SPECIFICALLY TIED TO A POLICY BUT SO I THINK I THINK THAT'S MINE IS RIGHT WELL THIS IS MY CONFUSION IS THAT WHEN I STARTED LOOKING AT THIS, I'M LIKE, WELL, WE CAN'T EVEN DO NUMBER TWO BECAUSE THE POLICY TRUMPS IT.

SO, I MEAN, IT ACTUALLY SAYS CONSENSUS IN THE POLICY, SO SAY CONSENSUS.

SO IT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED OR WE NEED TO CHANGE POLICY.

WHAT IS THE POLICY? MAYBE IT'S AT THE TOP OF THE PAGE.

THE B LOCAL. B LOCAL.

YEAH. ONE AND TWO PLACEMENT OF ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.

AND IT'S ONE THAT I'VE ASKED TO HAVE CHANGED.

SO I WOULD ACTUALLY ASK TO CHANGE THAT POLICY TO WHERE IT GOES BACK TO TASB.

I PRESENTED THAT BEFORE AND TASB RECOMMENDS THAT IT'S TWO TRUSTEES.

WE'RE USING THAT LENS. THERE'S NO LIGHT ON.

YES, MA'AM. TRUSTEE WESTON.

SO I CITED EARLIER AN AG OPINION.

DM-228 FROM 1993, WHICH HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO THIS BOARD IN MAY OF LAST YEAR BY AN EXTERNAL ATTORNEY, WHICH CLEARLY STATES THAT THE POLICIES OF ANY ELECTED BODY CANNOT HAVE THE NET IMPACT OF PREVENTING AN INDIVIDUAL MEMBER FROM PLACING AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA

[02:40:09]

I THINK THAT'S REASONABLE BECAUSE THE CATCH IS THAT THE CHAIR AND I'VE WATCHED THIS PLAY OUT IN OUR OWN WILLIAMSON COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COURT, THE CHAIR CAN REQUIRE A SECOND TO EVEN DISCUSS AN ITEM.

SO JUST BECAUSE SOMETHING IS ON THE AGENDA DOES NOT MEAN THAT IT WILL GET ANY DISCUSSION OR ACTION.

THE CHAIR CAN REQUIRE A SECOND.

SO I THINK WE NEED TO NOT RUN AFOUL OF THE LAW HERE.

AND I THINK WE NEED TO FINALLY FIX THIS.

I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT THAT AG OPINION, THE AG THAT SAME YEAR CAME BACK WITH ANOTHER OPINION DM 453 AND LIMITED 228 TO COMMISSIONER COURTS.

SO AGAIN, YOU ALL CAN CHANGE IT HOWEVER YOU WANT, BUT IT'S WHAT WE HAVE NOW IN TERMS OF CONSENSUS OF THREE IS PROBABLY LEGAL.

YOU CAN'T HAVE A YOU CAN'T REQUIRE A SUPERMAJORITY.

BUT I THINK WE DO NEED TO CLARIFY WHAT WE MEAN BY CONSENSUS.

YEAH AND, YOU KNOW, THERE IS LIMITED LEGAL PRECEDENT OUT THERE.

ALSO, I LOOKED AT OTHER DISTRICTS AND A LOT OF TIMES IT IS TWO OR THREE MEMBERS.

IN SOME DISTRICTS HAVE NINE TRUSTEES, SOME OF THEM HAVE SEVEN.

SO IT REALLY KIND OF DEPENDS.

BUT BUT MOST REQUIRE EITHER TWO MEMBERS FOR SEVEN MEMBER BOARDS OR POSSIBLY THREE MEMBERS FOR NINE MEMBER BOARDS.

BUT AGAIN, JUST TO CLARIFY, THERE'S NO PRECEDENT THAT SAYS ONE TRUSTEE CAN PUT SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA.

I'M NOT SAYING THEY CAN'T.

IF THE BOARD WANTS TO DO THAT, BUT IT'S NOT LEGALLY REQUIRED TO ONLY HAVE ONE TRUSTEE PUT SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA.

SO I APPRECIATE THAT AND I'LL LOOK THAT UP.

I'M AMENABLE TO TWO.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS ABOUT CONSENSUS? THREE MEMBERS. TWO MEMBERS.

I MEAN, I WOULD PREFER I THINK WE HAVE THREE MEMBERS THAT THAT'S A CLARIFICATION THAT HE CAN GO WITH.

GIVEN THAT CONSENSUS DIDN'T SEEM TO BE EXPLICIT ENOUGH.

SO I'M FINE WITH THREE.

TRUSTEE WEIR. YOU KNOW, I HAVE WHEN YOU GET 50 SOMETHING REQUESTS IN A MONTH, IT IS VERY, VERY DIFFICULT, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE SAYING YOU HAVE TO DO IT WITHIN TWO REGULARLY SCHEDULED BOARD MEETINGS.

SO I WOULD ACTUALLY GO FOR THREE JUST IN AN EFFORT TO TRY TO LIMIT THE AND MAKE IT EASIER FOR THE AGENDA SETTING.

SO WHAT DID YOU SAY? IT SAYS GENERALLY THE ITEM SHALL BE PLACED ON AN AGENDA NO LATER THAN TWO.

BUT THAT'S NOT A IT'S NOT A HARD I MEAN.

I TRIED TO GO WITH THAT.

I MEAN, I'VE TRIED, BUT I HAD 17 REQUESTS IN FEBRUARY, SO AND IT IS HARD.

AND THAT'S WHY I WOULD BRING IT TO THE FULL BOARD FOR CONSENSUS, WHICH I KNOW WE DIDN'T HAVE DEFINED.

SO IT WOULD BE BETTER TO HAVE A NUMBER.

TRUSTEE HARRISON WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PAGE 6A 2 ON WHETHER WE WANT TWO OR THREE MEMBERS TO PLACE AN ITEM ON THE FUTURE AGENDA.

AM I A TIE BREAKER.

SORRY SAY THAT AGAIN. AM I A TIE BREAKER? I UNDERSTAND. ME TOO.

IF TIFFANY NEEDS A MOMENT, I CAN [INAUDIBLE].

GO AHEAD SO NORMALLY, I WOULD DEFINITELY SUPPORT THAT TWO OR EVEN ONE THAT HAS THE KIND OF IF THEY REQUEST SOME AGENDA ITEM, WE SHOULD CONSIDER THAT.

BUT THE SITUATION IS PRACTICAL.

THERE'S A PRACTICAL ISSUE HERE FOR RIGHT NOW FOR THIS BOARD.

YEAH, YEAH, CHECK YOURSELF.

WHAT? JUST CHECK YOURSELF.

WE DON'T NEED TO BE POINTING FINGERS.

NO, I'M NOT CALLING FINGER I'M JUST SAYING PRACTICALLY.

I DON'T THINK THAT RIGHT NOW THAT IS A GOOD IDEA TO HAVE THIS ONE TRUSTEE REQUEST OR TWO TRUSTEE REQUESTS TO PUT AN

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WE HAVE THIS ISSUE AT THE BOARD.

SO WE NEED TO PREVENT THIS ISSUE FROM GOING OUT OF HAND.

RIGHT NOW, IT'S ALREADY VERY DIFFICULT.

BUT IF WE WOULD CHANGE IT INTO ONE OR JUST GO WITH ONE OR TWO TRUSTEE THAT REQUIRES THEN SOMETHING PUT ON AGENDA.

THEN WE HAVE MUCH MORE MANY MORE PROBLEMS DOWN THE ROAD.

IT'S JUST A UNIQUE SITUATION FOR THIS BOARD.

I HAVE MY THOUGHTS TOGETHER AND I DON'T THINK IT'S JUST THIS BOARD.

I REALLY LIKED IT WHEN AT ONE POINT WE DID DISCUSS DISCUSS AGENDA ITEMS. WE DID BRING UP AGENDA ITEMS AT THE END OF THE MEETING.

I THINK THAT SERVES A COUPLE OF PURPOSES.

NUMBER ONE, I THINK IT ADDRESSES ANY QUORUM OR PERCEIVED QUORUM ISSUES BECAUSE WE ALL KIND OF GET TO HEAR WHAT EVERYONE WANTS TO TALK ABOUT.

NUMBER TWO, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF TRANSPARENCY IN THAT.

AND NUMBER THREE, I THINK IT IT DISPLAYS THAT WE'RE USING OUR TIME WISELY.

I THINK I HAD A BIG LEARNING CURVE BEING A BOARD MEMBER VERSUS BEING AN AUDIENCE MEMBER OF WHAT WAS IN OUR PURVIEW TO REALLY DO.

SO I THINK DOING IT THAT WAY WOULD CLARIFY FOR EVERYONE WHAT LIKE WHAT IS REASONABLY IN THE STATE OF TEXAS, OUR PURVIEW TO DISCUSS OR TAKE ACTION ON.

AND THIS IS ACTUALLY THIS PART OF IT IS UPON THE CALL FOR FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE BOARD MEETINGS, IT'S NOT ACTUALLY THE EMAILS TO YOU, SO IT'S AT THE END OF THE BOARD MEETING.

AND SO I DO THINK RATHER THAN CONSENSUS, IF IT WAS AT LEAST THREE OF US, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A MAJORITY.

BUT IF AT LEAST THREE PEOPLE WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT, THEN IT SHOULD GET ON THE AGENDA.

SO AND I HOPE I DIDN'T MISS THIS.

WHAT DOES THAT DO TO THE EMAIL SYSTEM? BECAUSE I FIND THE EMAIL SYSTEM DIFFICULT.

I DON'T MAKE A LOT OF AGENDA REQUEST MYSELF, VERY FEW.

BUT I WANT TO KNOW WHAT MY COLLEAGUES WANT BECAUSE I WANT TO SUPPORT IN WAYS THAT I ALIGN OR AGREE.

IS THERE ANYTHING WRONG WITH DOING ALL REQUESTS AT THE END OF EVERY MEETING? IT'S IN WRITING AND IT'S AT THE END BECAUSE MAYBE WHAT'S IMPORTANT IS CAPTURING IT IN WRITING.

BUT I MEAN, I JUST THINK IT WOULD GO A LONG WAY WITH TRANSPARENCY IF EVERY TIME YOU WANT TO PUT SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA WE TALKED ABOUT IT AND WE KIND OF UNDERSTOOD.

AND I ALSO THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL WITH PUTTING THINGS ON THE AGENDA IN BETWEEN AND HAVING THESE PACKED AGENDAS.

BUT THERE MAY BE A DOWNSIDE.

THAT'S JUST MY INITIAL THOUGHT.

WOULD THAT PREVENT THE BOARD PRESIDENT OR SOMEONE FROM PUTTING SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA IF IT'S AN EMERGENT BASIS OR TIMELY? I MEAN, THAT'S MY ONLY CONCERN IS THAT SOMETIMES WE HAVE THINGS COME UP THAT WE HAVE TO PUT ON THE AGENDA RATHER QUICKLY.

AND SO THIS GIVES THE BOARD PRESIDENT OR MAYBE SOMEBODY BRINGS IT UP AND THEN THE BOARD PRESIDENT IS LIKE, YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.

WE REALLY DO NEED TO TALK ABOUT THAT RIGHT AWAY BECAUSE I THINK IF WE ELIMINATE THAT PART OF IT, THEN IT HAS TO COME.

YOU HAVE TO HAVE A MEETING AND AN AGENDA, THIS THIS ITEM TO EVEN GET SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA THAT MAYBE IT'S LIKE ANOTHER HURDLE YOU HAVE TO GET GET OVER.

AND THERE ARE CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE WE JUST NEED TO IT NEEDS TO GET ON THE AGENDA RIGHT AWAY.

TRUSTEE WESTON. THANK YOU.

I'M TRYING TO FOLLOW THE RULES HERE.

BUT SO BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE WITH TIFFANY, I THINK WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET SOMEWHERE.

I THINK THE PROBLEM IS AND BECAUSE I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD AS LONG AS YOU HAVE THE EXACT SAME AMOUNT OF TIME AND THERE IS A LEARNING CURVE.

AND I BELIEVE AMY AND AMBER, WHEN THEY SAY THAT THEY HAVE BEEN AT TIMES INUNDATED WITH AGENDA ITEM REQUESTS, I BELIEVE THAT.

I ALSO BELIEVE THAT IS A PROBLEM.

AND I WOULD RATHER WORK SMARTER THAN HARDER.

AND I AM OPEN.

I HAVE THOUGHT TO MYSELF, SHOULD WE EVERY OTHER MONTH OR ONCE A QUARTER, SHOULD WE HAVE A MEETING? THAT IS AN AGENDA SETTING MEETING FOR THAT QUARTER.

I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER, BUT I AM WILLING TO WORK SMARTER INSTEAD OF HARDER AND BE MORE EFFICIENT AND BE MORE TRANSPARENT AND LIGHTEN THE WORKLOAD ON THE BOARD PRESIDENT.

AND IF THERE ARE SOME REAL SUGGESTIONS, I'M OPEN TO THAT.

DID YOU WANT TO INTERRUPT? I DIDN'T WANT TO INTERRUPT, BUT I REALLY LIKE THAT IDEA.

THE ONLY THING IS WE AND I LOVE IT, ACTUALLY, I LOVE THAT IDEA OF SETTING AGENDAS FOR A WHOLE QUARTER.

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AND IT DOESN'T SHOW UP ON THE AGENDA.

THERE CAN'T BE THE NAME, YOU KNOW, THE NAME CALLING AND YOU KNOW ALL THE HURT FEELINGS THAT COME WITH THAT.

BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE PROBLEM IS YOU DON'T YOU ONLY KNOW WHAT YOU'VE REQUESTED.

YOU DON'T SEE ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT ALSO GOT TURNED AWAY.

AND BUT IF EVERYBODY COULD AGREE THAT WE'RE GOING TO SET AGENDAS FOR A QUARTER AND WE'RE ALL GOING TO LIVE BY THAT AND NOT BE UPSET, I WOULD I MEAN, I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR AMBER BECAUSE I'M NOT PRESIDENT RIGHT NOW, BUT I WOULD HAVE LOVED THAT BECAUSE THEN IT'S JUST SET AND DONE.

SO YEAH. SO I WOULD LIKE I SAID, I'M AMENABLE TO WORKING SMARTER, NOT HARDER.

AND THAT WAS JUST ONE IDEA THAT I HAD.

BUT I WILL SAY THAT AS WE DELIBERATE THIS.

I THINK IF WE'VE LEARNED NOTHING ELSE OVER THE LAST YEAR, IT'S THAT WE REALLY NEED TO MAKE SURE AS A BOARD THAT WE ARE RESPECTING , THE THAT EVERYBODY IS BEING TREATED THE SAME BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHERE SOME OF THE RESENTMENT COMES FROM.

I THINK SOME OF THAT IS ROOTED IN LACK OF INFORMATION.

YOU JUST SAID IT, AMY. WE ONLY KNOW WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING.

SO I THINK SOMETIMES THERE'S JUST A LACK OF INFORMATION.

BUT I THINK THAT THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES WHEN THERE HAS BEEN SOME GENUINE INCONSISTENT TREATMENT WITH REGARD TO AGENDA ITEM REQUESTS.

AND SO YOU KNOW, THE POLITICAL WINDS BLOW IN DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS AT DIFFERENT TIMES.

AND AMBER, YOU SAID, I THINK IN THE LAST MEETING THAT THERE'S BEEN TIMES YOU'VE BEEN IN THE MAJORITY AND SOMETIMES YOU'VE BEEN IN THE MINORITY ON THE BOARD.

AND I WOULD HOPE THAT ALL OF US UNDERSTAND THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE RESPECTING ALL MEMBERS, WHETHER THEY FIND THEMSELVES IN THE MAJORITY OR THE MINORITY.

SO I'M GOING TO INSIST THAT IF TWO MEMBERS OF THE BOARD HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM REQUEST.

IF THAT IS THE THRESHOLD, I'M GOING TO INSIST ON THAT.

SO TRUSTEE HARRISON'S NEXT.

BUT LET ME JUST AND I, I HAVE A TOTALLY DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE NOW AFTER THE LAST SIX MONTHS IN THIS ROLE WHEN IT COMES TO A GENDER REQUEST, BECAUSE SOMETIMES THEY ARE VERY VOLUME AND VOLUMINOUS.

THAT'S HOW YOU PRONOUNCE IT. VOLUMINOUS.

SOMETIMES THEY ARE A LOT SMALLER.

NEVER NONE, BUT.

I AM OPPOSED TO ANYTHING THAT ENCOURAGES HAVING ANOTHER MEETING.

THAT'S WHAT I AM GOING TO SAY.

WE HAVE WAY TOO MANY MEETINGS AS IT IS AND HAVING ANOTHER MEETING JUST ON AGENDAS, I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE HOW THAT WOULD GO.

THE THOUGHT OF NOT ALLOWING SOMEBODY TO REQUEST SOMETHING FOR THE NEXT QUARTER.

I HAVE I HAVE NINE REQUESTS FOR SANCTIONS IN THE LAST WEEK.

IN THE LAST WEEK FROM FOUR DIFFERENT TRUSTEES.

SO IF I SAID, OH, IT CAN'T GET ON THERE FOR THREE MORE MONTHS BECAUSE IT HAPPENED RIGHT AFTER OUR LAST QUARTERLY AGENDA PLANNING THAT THAT AIN'T GOING TO FLY.

SO I'M HAPPY.

LIKE I THINK MAYBE A MEET IN THE MIDDLE IS AT THE END OF EVERY MEETING, MAYBE HAVE A STANDING AGENDA ITEM THAT SAYS THESE ARE THE AGENDA ITEM REQUESTS THAT I'VE RECEIVED SO THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT EVERYBODY IS REQUESTING.

AND THAT CAN JUST BE A NEW STANDARD PROCEDURE SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THIS TRUSTEES REQUESTED THIS, THIS TRUSTEES REQUESTED THIS, AND YOU KIND OF GET A STATUS OF WHAT'S GOING ON. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S KIND OF A MEET IN THE MIDDLE THING.

JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE NEXT LIGHT WAS TRUSTEE HARRISON.

I DON'T HAVE ANY ANSWERS. BASICALLY WHAT I'M SAYING.

I APOLOGIZE I THOUGHT WHEN WE KIND OF GOT TO THIS POINT, WE WERE MORE CONVERSATIONAL OFTEN WHEN WE'RE DOING A WORKSHOP.

SO I WASN'T TRYING TO BREAK RANK.

SO I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT.

LET ME JUST SAY I'M FINE WITH IT BEING CONVERSATIONALIST AS LONG AS WE CAN RESPECT EACH OTHER AND NOBODY GETS LIKE JUMPY IN ON EACH OTHER.

SO IF WE CAN WORK THIS AS A WORKSHOP AND PEOPLE JUST KIND OF POP IN, TOTALLY COOL WITH THAT.

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PLEASE. YES, BECAUSE I THINK THIS KIND OF CONVERSATION, IT'S MUCH EASIER TO JUST BE CONVERSATIONAL FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

TWO THINGS SO MY INITIAL THOUGHT PROCESS WAS THAT THIS WOULD KIND OF HELP ANY PERCEPTION OF QUORUM ISSUES.

BUT THEN DOES THAT REALLY PRESENT A PROBLEM? BECAUSE ONCE WE IF WE WERE TO DISCUSS THE AGENDA ITEMS AND AGREE TO THEM ON THE DAIS, THAT WOULD REALLY KIND OF PRECLUDE FURTHER DISCUSSION OUTSIDE OF THE MEETING ON THOSE AGENDA ITEMS. CORRECT. BECAUSE WITH THAT TECHNICALLY BE A QUORUM.

THAT'S IF WE SAY THAT AGAIN.

SAY THAT AGAIN. I DON'T KNOW IF I'M MAKING SENSE.

LET ME TRY TO RESTATE THIS.

IF WE DID.

IF WE IF WE DID AGENDA ITEMS AT THE END OF EVERY MEETING ON THE DAIS AND WE SAID, YOU KNOW, I WANT THIS AGENDA ITEM, AND THEN EITHER TWO OR THREE PEOPLE AGREED.

I PERSONALLY THINK IT NEEDS TO BE THREE.

IF WE CAN ALL HEAR THEM.

AND I ACTUALLY THINK THAT WOULD BRING MORE UNITY, BECAUSE I THINK THE VEIL OF NOT KNOWING WHO'S ASKING FOR WHAT IS A PROBLEM OR NOT HEARING ALL THE REQUESTS AND CONTEXT AT THE SAME TIME.

SO THAT'S MY OPINION.

BUT DOES THAT CREATE AN ISSUE WITH A POTENTIAL QUORUM OR WALKING QUORUM? BECAUSE IF WE'VE AGREED TO AGENDA ITEMS AND BETWEEN THE TIME WE'VE AGREED TO THEM AND THE TIME WE MEET ON THEM ALL, ALL OF US HAVE HEARD THE AGENDA ITEM.

SO CAN WE DISCUSS THEM WITH TWO OTHER PEOPLE OR WOULD THAT CREATE POTENTIAL QUORUM OR WALKING QUORUM ISSUES? YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? LIKE, IF I'M REALLY PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS HAS NOTHING.

I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION PERFECTLY, AND I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY THE MILLION DOLLAR QUESTION.

SO I HAVE SOMETHING THAT JUST POPPED IN.

THINK ABOUT YOUR ANSWER.

IF AN AGENDA REQUEST DOES NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH STUDENT OUTCOMES, IT REQUIRES THREE.

I LIKE THAT. AND REMEMBER, STUDENT OUTCOMES AS DEFINED BY LONESTAR GOVERNANCE IS WHAT A STUDENT CAN SHOW AND DO, KNOWS AND DOS. DEMONSTRATES WHAT THEY KNOW AND DO.

SO YOU'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THE DEFINITION.

I LOOKED IT UP YESTERDAY, ACTUALLY.

I PULLED UP THE LONE STAR GOVERNANCE PARTICIPANT MANUAL.

READ THE ACTUAL DEFINITION OF STUDENT OUTCOMES.

THEN IT DOESN'T REQUIRE THREE.

BUT IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T RELATE TO STUDENT OUTCOMES, LIKE WE WANT TO FOCUS MORE ON STUDENT OUTCOMES, WE NEED TO HAVE MORE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT STUFF.

I MEAN, LITERALLY, IT CAME TO ME RIGHT NOW WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

I ACTUALLY REALLY LOVE THAT BECAUSE DID YOU ALL KNOW THAT TECHNICALLY WE COULD COMPLETE OUR STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS FOR THE STATE OF TEXAS, APPARENTLY IN 20 MINUTES FOR AN ENTIRE YEAR? AND I THINK WE SPEND SO MUCH TIME ARGUING AND TALKING ON TOPICS THAT DON'T HAVE TO DO WITH STUDENT OUTCOMES.

BUT I THINK IF THERE'S SIGNIFICANT AGREEMENT ON THOSE TOPICS AND BRINGING THEM FORWARD, WE WOULD HAVE A LOT MORE FOCUS.

I THINK I COULD ACTUALLY GET ON BOARD WITH THAT.

IF YOU TAKE THE BOARD SANCTION PROCESS OFF OF THAT LIST BECAUSE THAT TOPIC HAS DONE SO MUCH DAMAGE AND WREAKED SO MUCH HAVOC AND THOSE BATTLE LINES HAVE BEEN DRAWN SO MANY TIMES THAT AND APPARENTLY PEOPLE ARE NOW ARE STILL TELLING AMBER THEY WANT TO KEEP DOING IT.

SO WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD THINK WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT ENOUGH AND THEY WANT TO KEEP DOING IT.

SO IF THAT'S THE CASE, HOLD ON.

LET'S NOT POINT FINGERS, BECAUSE FIVE OF THOSE REQUESTS ARE FROM YOU.

RIGHT. [LAUGHTER] AND WHY ARE THEY FROM ME? RIGHT. WHY ARE THEY FROM ME? I'M JUST LIKE, WHY ARE THEY FROM ME? BECAUSE YOU SAID IF SOMEONE COMES AGAINST YOU, YOU WANT FIVE OF THEM ON THERE.

THAT'S CORRECT. I'M I'M I'M JUST SAYING THAT WE HAVE NINE AND FIVE OF THEM ARE FROM YOU.

SO BECAUSE MINE IS ONLY A TRIGGER.

MINE IS A TRIGGER MECHANISM BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN TARGETED BY YOU ALL.

SO, YES, MINE IS A TRIGGER MECHANISM THAT SAYS IF IT'S I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE TWO I REALLY THINK IT NEEDS TO BE TWO FOR ALL TOPICS.

CORY, I INSIST, TWO.

HERE'S THE DEFINITION OF STUDENT OUTCOMES.

A MEASURE OF SCHOOL SYSTEM RESULTS THAT ARE STUDENT RESULTS RATHER THAN ADULT RESULTS, OUTCOMES THAT ARE A MEASURE OF WHAT STUDENTS KNOW OR ARE ABLE TO DO.

EXAMPLES ARE SUMMATIVE ASSESSMENTS READING THAT RIGHT OUT OF OUR PARTICIPANT MANUAL.

SO AGAIN, I MY VIEW IS THAT IN THEORY THIS IS A GOOD THING, GOOD CRITERIA.

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IN THEORY, IT IS A GOOD CRITERIA, BUT PRACTICALLY WE WE ARE LEADING TO ANOTHER KIND OF DEBATE DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER THIS AGENDA ITEM IS RELATED TO STUDENT OUTCOME OR NOT.

THEY'RE NOT GOING TO THOSE KIND OF DEBATE.

SO IN PRACTICAL TERMS, I DON'T THINK IT IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE HELPFUL.

THIS IS SIMILAR LIKE IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT IN THE PAST, PEOPLE JUST HAVE DIFFERENT PERCEPTIONS OF THE SAME THING.

WHEN WE WHEN WE LOOK AT LIKE TRUSTEE WESTON ALWAYS THINK ABOUT SHE'S UNFAIRLY TREATED ABOUT PUTTING THINGS ON THE AGENDA, RIGHT? SHE SHOULD JUST FEEL SHE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO PUT HER REQUEST ONTO THE AGENDA.

BUT IN FACT, THAT'S WHAT WE OPERATED.

I MADE [INAUDIBLE] YEAR AND A HALF.

I PROBABLY MADE FIVE OF REQUESTS FOR AGENDA AND MOST OF THEM DID GET IT, GET IN THERE.

BUT I DIDN'T HAVE THIS PERCEPTION THAT I WAS LIKE DISCRIMINATED, UNFAIRLY TREATED.

THE THING THAT I REQUESTED WASN'T TO BE ABLE TO PUT ON THE PUT THE AGENDAS.

DIFFERENT PEOPLE JUST HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS.

SO OFTEN WE HAVE THIS CRITERIA THOSE WHETHER THESE WE SHOULD PUT INTO A RELATE TO STUDENT OUTCOME.

BUT IN THE END WE JUST GO INTO ANOTHER LENGTHY DISCUSSION DEBATE ABOUT WHETHER THIS AGENDA IS RELATED TO STUDENT OUTCOMES.

IT'S JUST VERY TOUGH.

I THINK WE'RE SPENDING A WHOLE LOT OF TIME ON SOMETHING THAT REALLY DOESN'T EVEN HAPPEN THAT OFTEN.

I THINK I COUNTED UP I'VE HAD 43 AGENDA REQUESTS SINCE I'VE BEEN BOARD PRESIDENT AND I HAVE DENIED ONE IN WRITING.

AND THAT'S WHEN YOU WOULD COME BACK AT THE END OF A MEETING AND SAY, THE BOARD PRESIDENT HAS DENIED THIS AGENDA ITEM.

I WOULD LIKE FOR IT TO STILL GET ON.

DO I HAVE A CONSENSUS THAT PERSON DID NOT BRING THAT AGENDA ITEM BACK AND ASK THE FULL BOARD IF THEY WANTED IT ON A FUTURE AGENDA? SO WE'RE REALLY LIKE, I HAVE TRIED VERY, VERY HARD IN GETTING THINGS ON THE AGENDA.

AND THAT'S WHY WE'VE BEEN HERE UNTIL 4:00 IN THE MORNING AND 2:00 IN THE MORNING BECAUSE I PUT SO MANY THINGS ON OUR AGENDA, SO MANY THINGS I KNOW.

BUT OF THOSE 42 OR THREE THINGS, TWO HAVE BEEN ABOUT STUDENT OUTCOMES.

TWO, BUT DIFFERENT TRUSTEE HAS DIFFERENT PRIORITIES.

SOMETIMES YOU MAY THINK THAT IS THE HIGHER PRIORITY.

THE OTHER THING IS THE STUDENT.

YEAH, WE HAVE OBJECTIVES TO THE OUTCOME.

THE LONE STAR GOVERNMENT RULES.

BUT I THINK ALLOWING US TO VOTE ON IT ALLOWS US TO AFFIRM, ESPECIALLY IN FRONT OF OUR COMMUNITY, WHAT OUR SHARED PRIORITIES ARE, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S UNACCEPTABLE. AND WE HEAR EVERY TIME THAT WE SPENT 0 MINUTES ON STUDENT OUTCOMES, WHICH IS THAT'S WHY WE'RE SORRY IF WE HAVE THIS CRITERIA WE SHOULD LIMIT. BUT WHAT I'M SUGGESTING IS A LIMITED DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER THIS IS A STUDENT.

WE CAN ALWAYS DO THAT, WHICH I THINK WE SHOULD DO A LOT MORE.

YEAH. TRUSTEE VESSA.

YOUR NEXT TRUSTEE BONE.

SO ONE THING THAT I ACTUALLY HAD A CONVERSATION WITH DAVID FORTIS ABOUT, ABOUT OUR BOARD OPERATING PROCEDURE, I JUST SAID, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS? LIKE, YOU ASKED US TO COVER THIS AND.

AND WHAT HE SAID WAS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS THAT THERE IS THE CONSENSUS OF THE BOARD.

ONE COMMENT THAT THAT CONCERNS ME IS THAT TRUSTEE WESTON SAYS, I INSIST THIS.

OKAY. SO THAT MEANS IF SHE DOES THAT MEAN TRUSTEE WESTON THAT IF YOU DO NOT GET YOUR WAY, WHAT IS WHAT'S THE RESULT WHEN YOU INSIST SOMETHING AND WE DON'T HAVE YOU REFUSE TO HAVE CONSENSUS WITH THE REST OF THE BOARD IN TERMS OF THE BOARD MAJORITY, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE DOWN THE ROAD AND WHAT ARE YOU ANTICIPATING DOING IF YOU DON'T GET ON WHAT YOU INSIST ON? AND I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT CLARIFICATION AS WE GO FORWARD IN THIS DISCUSSION, BECAUSE I ANTICIPATE THERE ARE GOING TO BE OTHER THINGS IN THIS.

YOU'RE GOING TO SAY, I INSIST THAT THIS IS THE WAY IT IS.

SO WHAT HAPPENS DOWN THE ROAD IF THE MAJORITY OF THE BOARD DOES NOT AGREE WITH WHAT YOU INSIST ON IN LIGHT OF DAVID [INAUDIBLE] SAYING THAT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN TERMS OF BOARD OPERATING PROCEDURES IS THAT WE LEAVE THIS MEETING AND AGREE TO ABIDE BY THEM.

DOES THAT MEAN IF YOU INSIST AND YOU DO NOT GET YOUR WAY, THAT YOU DO NOT AGREE TO ABIDE BY THEM AFTER WE PASS THEM, IS THAT THE CONSEQUENCE? SO CONSENSUS IS AN INTERESTING WORD BECAUSE IT SOUNDS GREAT, BUT WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE IS THREE BEARS AND A SHEEP DECIDING ON A CONSENSUS OF WHAT WE'RE

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I THINK WE KNOW THE THREE BEARS ARE GOING TO EAT THE SHEEP FOR DINNER.

SO WE HAVE A PROBLEM ON THIS BOARD WITH UNEQUAL TREATMENT FOR TRUSTEES AND THE MINORITY THE THE TRUSTEES WERE IN THE POLITICAL MINORITY, NOT EVEN HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY.

IT'S ONE THING TO LOSE A VOTE, BUT TO NEVER EVEN BE ABLE TO DISCUSS TOPICS.

THE THRESHOLD TO DISCUSS TOPICS SHOULD BE LOW, THE THRESHOLD TO PASS POLICY MOTIONS, DECISIONS SHOULD BE HIGH.

BUT THE POLICY FOR DISCUSSION SHOULD BE I DON'T THINK YOU'RE ANSWERING MY QUESTION, THOUGH.

WHEN YOU SAY YOU INSIST THAT SOMETHING IS A CERTAIN WAY, DOES THAT MEAN IF THE BOARD MAJORITY DOES NOT FOLLOW WHAT YOU INSIST ON, THAT YOU DO NOT PLAN TO FOLLOW THE BOARD OPERATING PROCEDURES BECAUSE YOU SET OUT IN THIS MEETING AND SAID, I INSIST THAT IT'S LIKE THIS AND WHETHER THIS BOARD AGREES TO IT OR NOT, THIS IS THE WAY IT'S GOING TO BE FOR ME.

AND BECAUSE I INSIST, BECAUSE I WOULD JUST LIKE TO KNOW.

I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT WE CAN EXPECT IF WE APPROVE THESE BOARD OPERATING PROCEDURES THAT WHEN YOU BRING UP THE THINGS THAT YOU INSIST.

DOES THAT JUST MEAN THAT THE THINGS THAT YOU INSIST ON ARE GOING TO BE FOR YOU NO MATTER WHAT THE BOARD DETERMINES? SO WHEN I SAY THAT, I INSIST THAT THE THRESHOLD TO DISCUSS TOPICS BE LOW AND BE AT TWO WHAT I'M SAYING IS I DON'T SEE MYSELF BEING ABLE TO VOTE FOR BOARD OPERATING PROCEDURES THAT HAVE A THRESHOLD THAT I BELIEVE WOULD DENY A POLITICAL MINORITY FROM THE OPPORTUNITY TO EVEN DISCUSS TOPICS. AND I FIND IT CURIOUS THAT IT IS ACTUALLY SOME OTHER MEMBERS OF THIS BOARD AND THEIR FAILURE TO FOLLOW THESE PROCEDURES THAT RESULTED IN A SIX MONTH TEMPORARY RESTRAINING ORDER AGAINST THE BOARD.

WHAT OPERATING PROCEDURE? RIGHT. SO I FIND THE THE CONCERN ABOUT ME FOLLOWING THE BOARD OPERATING PROCEDURES CURIOUS.

BUT MY POINT ABOUT INSIST IS I WOULD I DON'T SEE MYSELF SUPPORTING AND BEING ABLE TO VOTE FOR IT IF THE THRESHOLD FOR DISCUSSION IS TOO HIGH.

BUT YOU AGREE THAT IF THE MAJORITY OF THE BOARD APPROVES THE BOARD OPERATING PROCEDURES, EVEN IF YOU'RE A NO VOTE, THEN YOU WILL HONOR THE BOARD OPERATING PROCEDURES.

YEAH, I DON'T THINK TONIGHT'S MEETING IS ABOUT TRYING TO GET ME TO AGREE TO ANY.

I DON'T THINK WE'RE VOTING ON ANYTHING.

WELL, I JUST WANT TO KNOW THE PATH MOVING FORWARD WHAT YOU MEANT BY INSIST BUT I WANT CLARIFICATION THAT DESPITE YOUR INSISTENCE THAT IT IS IF THE MAJORITY OF THE BOARD DOES NOT VOTE THAT WAY, YOU WILL STILL HONOR THE BOARD OPERATING PROCEDURES. BECAUSE IF THAT'S NOT THE CASE, I DON'T WHAT'S THE POINT? I DON'T THINK I'M THE PERSON WHO'S HAD A HARD TIME FOLLOWING THE BOARD OPERATING PROCEDURE.

THAT IS DEBATABLE, BUT I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD REALLY TALK ABOUT THAT.

RIGHT. I'M TURNING MICROPHONES OFF IF WE'RE GOING TO GET INTO A BACK AND FORTH.

YEAH. I TURNED THEM OFF.

NO, NO, NO. I HAVE THEM.

THAT'S WHY EVERYBODY IS BLINKING.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO CONDUCT BUSINESS LIKE THIS.

EVERYBODY TAKE A BREATH.

CAN I PLEASE SAY SOMETHING? DO WE HAVE A CONSENSUS ABOUT WHETHER WE GO FOR THREE? YES, I THINK THAT'LL DO.

BUT I THINK THE LARGER THING HERE IS THERE HAS TO BE A SOLUTION.

I REALLY THINK THAT ALL OUR AGENDA AGREEMENTS FOR WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA SHOULD HAPPEN IN THE OPEN.

BECAUSE HERE'S THE THING.

SCHOOL BOARD IS NONPARTISAN, SO THERE SHOULDN'T BE A POLITICAL MINORITY OR MAJORITY.

YEAH, BUT WE KEPT HEARING THOSE THINGS.

BUT I THINK THAT THE THE ABILITY TO DECIDE EVERY AGENDA ITEM RIGHT HERE IN THE OPEN DOES TWO THINGS.

NUMBER ONE, IT DEMOCRATIZES THE PROCESS TO WHERE EVERYONE HAS A SAY AND HAVE TO SAY.

THERE ARE A LOT OF ASSUMPTIONS MADE PERSONALLY FOR ME ABOUT WHAT I WOULD OR WOULD NOT SUPPORT.

BUT PEOPLE NEED TO UNDERSTAND ON THIS BOARD THAT RIGHT NOW IN THE SYSTEM WE HAVE, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT PEOPLE ARE REQUESTING.

SO I DON'T KNOW THAT ANYONE'S REQUEST WAS EVER HEARD AND THEN DENIED BY THE BOARD PRESIDENT.

SO MY SUGGESTION IS THAT WE HEAR EVERY AGENDA ITEM REQUEST BY SOME MECHANISM.

OF COURSE, THERE'S TWO MECHANISMS THAT HAVE TO BE ADDED EMERGENCY MEETING CONSIDERATIONS.

AND THEN I THINK THE PRESIDENT STILL HAS TO HAVE SOME KIND OF LEEWAY FOR REQUESTS THAT COME UP THAT ARE EMERGENT BUT NOT EMERGENCY IN BETWEEN OUR

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THEN BECAUSE SCHOOL BOARD IS NONPARTISAN.

IF THE COMMUNITY DOES NOT LIKE HOW WE DEMOCRATICALLY AGREE, WHETHER OR NOT SOMETHING GOES ON THE AGENDA, THEY CAN VOTE PEOPLE IN OR OUT THAT WILL SUPPORT WHATEVER IT IS THAT THEY WANT TO SUPPORT.

BUT WHAT NEEDS TO BE FIRST AND FOREMOST THAT HAS NOT BEEN FIRST AND FOREMOST IS STUDENT OUTCOMES.

CAN I HAVE A TURN NOW SINCE I'VE BEEN PATIENTLY WAITING.

YEAH, WE SAID THAT WE WERE JUST GOING TO DO THIS AS, LIKE, A WORKSHOP FORMAT.

AND AS LONG AS WE'LL BE RESPECTFUL.

YEAH. SO UNDER THE SECTIONS DEVELOPING MEETING AGENDA AND I SIT HERE AND I'VE LISTENED AND I THINK WE ALL WOULD SAY THAT THE TWO PRESIDENTS THAT WE'VE HAD UP HERE WOULD SAY THAT AGENDA SETTING IS VERY DIFFICULT.

AND THEN I THINK A FEW OF US WOULD SAY THAT GETTING AGENDA ITEMS ON ON THE AGENDA IS HARD.

AND I THINK THERE'S SOME OTHER THINGS THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO ADD BECAUSE I'M ACTUALLY FOR ADDING.

MANY AGENDA ITEMS LIKE SMD.

I THINK IT HAS A PLACE ON AN AGENDA AT SOME POINT.

AND I THINK THE PROBLEM WE HAVE AND I COME FROM THIS, FROM MY ENGINEERING BACKGROUND IS THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE DO THIS AT THE END OF A MEETING, RIGHT, LIKE IF I COME TO YOU AND SAY, HEY, I WANT SMD ON AN AGENDA, WE HAVE TO HAVE LIKE A FULL DISCUSSION TO ACTUALLY SEE IF WE WANT IT ON THE AGENDA.

SO I WOULD RATHER PUT SOME OTHER MECHANISMS IN, LIKE ALLOWING THE PRESIDENT TO PUT AGENDA ITEMS ON AN AGENDA AND GIVE SOMEBODY 20 MINUTES AND LIMIT THEIR TIME OF THAT AGENDA ITEM. SO I'M FOR ADDING SOME OTHER WAYS TO DO THIS.

I WOULD SAY THAT TASB THERE'S 1200 SCHOOL DISTRICTS ACROSS TEXAS.

TASB DOES HAVE VERY NICE TEMPLATES IF YOU GO OUT TO OTHER SCHOOL DISTRICTS LIKE JACOB DID.

MOST OF THEM ARE TWO OR THREE.

MOST OF THE DISTRICTS THAT ARE THREE, THEY HAVE NINE TRUSTEES, MOST OF THEM THAT HAVE SEVEN ARE TWO TRUSTEES.

AND I THINK NONE OF US HAVE ANSWERED THE QUESTION OF WHY IS THAT KIND OF A STANDARD? AND I WOULD SAY WHEN WE SAY THAT WE WANT OTHER THINGS, I WOULD SAY THAT JUST SHOWS THE DYNAMICS OF OUR I MEAN, IN HONESTY, RIGHT? IT'S THE DYNAMICS OF OUR BOARD THAT WE HAVE ISSUES WITH.

AND SO I, I WOULD SAY THIS.

WE NEED TO GET BACK TO BECAUSE DR.

[INAUDIBLE] IS SITTING OVER THERE AND HE'S ALWAYS IN A CONSTANT REMINDER THAT WE HAVE A MONITOR.

WE NEED TO GET TO BE A NORMAL SCHOOL DISTRICT.

WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE TASB POLICIES, NORMAL POLICIES IN PLACE AND BE ABLE TO MANAGE OUR AGENDAS AND OUR TIME LIKE OTHER SCHOOL DISTRICTS DO.

AND OTHER SCHOOL DISTRICTS TWO TRUSTEES ARE ABLE TO PUT THEM ON AN AGENDA.

SO I WOULD SAY WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT ALSO.

BUT BECAUSE OF THE DYNAMICS, THEN I THINK WE CAN ADD OTHER MECHANISMS SUCH AS MAYBE ALLOWING THE PRESIDENT TO TIME CERTAIN THINGS THAT MAYBE AREN'T.

MAYBE, MAYBE THE PRESIDENT DOESN'T THINK THEY'RE WITH STUDENT OUTCOMES, BECAUSE I THINK SOME THINGS WHEN WE SAY STUDENT OUTCOMES, I THINK WE WOULD ALL SIT UP HERE AND ARGUE THAT THE BUDGET IS DEFINITELY RELATED TO STUDENT OUTCOMES, BUT IT ACTUALLY DOESN'T MEET THE DEFINITION.

IT'S RELATED BUT IT'S NOT A STUDENT OUTCOME.

IT'S NOT A STUDENT OUTCOME, BUT IT IS SO TIED TO STUDENT OUTCOMES THAT WE ACTUALLY JUST SAT THERE AND HAD THAT CONVERSATION.

AND SAFETY IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE.

I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE STUDENT OUTCOMES, BUT IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO RIGHT AND SAFETY, EVERY ONE OF THOSE TO HAVE UP TO 50% OF OUR MEETING NOT BE ABOUT STUDENT OUTCOMES. THAT'S GREAT.

LET'S TALK ABOUT BUDGET.

LET'S TALK ABOUT STUDENT OUTCOMES.

LET'S TALK ABOUT PAINTING CEDAR RIDGE ORANGE, BUT ONLY 50% OF OUR MEETING AND I AM NOT PROPOSING THAT.

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. LIKE MAYBE THERE'S SOME WE CAN TALK ABOUT ANYTHING THAT WE WANT, BUT WE'VE GOT TO LIMIT IT AND NOT BEAT STUFF TO DEATH.

WELL, THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING THAT MAYBE WE'RE MISSING SOMETHING HERE AND ADD ANOTHER MECHANISM FOR THE PRESIDENT TO MANAGE THE AGENDA BETTER.

AND I'M JUST THROWING OUT THERE ALLOWING THE BECAUSE THAT IS ONE WAY TO DO IT.

AND I'VE ACTUALLY SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD, I ACTUALLY THINK OUR AGENDA SHOULD ALL BE TIMED.

I THINK EVERYTHING ON THE AGENDA SHOULD BE TIMED AND WE HAVE SO MUCH TIME ON EACH ITEM AND THEN WE MOVE ON.

IT WOULD ACTUALLY I THINK IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING TO TRY, BUT I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE THAT WE ALLOW TWO MEMBERS TO PUT ANYTHING ON BECAUSE HONESTLY, I THINK WE MIGHT BE HINDERING OURSELVES FROM ACTUALLY HEARING THINGS THAT MIGHT ACTUALLY BE REALLY GOOD FOR OUR STUDENTS.

AND AGAIN, THIS IS ONLY IF SOMETHING IS DENIED.

WELL, GREAT, BUT I DON'T REQUIRE A SECOND TO GET SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA.

YEAH, I CAN TELL YOU THERE ARE THINGS IN THE PAST THAT I'VE HAD STUDENTS COME UP TO ME AND THERE WAS AN AGENDA ITEM THAT I HAD DENIED AND DENIED AND ACTUALLY THE CONSENSUS WAS ACTUALLY TO DENY IT ALSO.

AND THERE WERE STUDENTS THAT TO THIS DAY ARE VERY SAD THAT THAT WAS NOT TAKEN UP FOR THEM.

SO THAT'S WHY I THINK BECAUSE SOMETIMES WHAT WE CAN'T GET INTO WHY YOU WANT THAT ON THE AGENDA, RIGHT?

[03:15:04]

RIGHT. I MEAN, YOU CAN WE CAN'T HAVE IT AS A BOARD DISCUSSION, BUT IF YOU WANT TO SPEND 5 MINUTES TALKING ABOUT WHY YOU WANT SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA, YOU CAN.

WE JUST CAN'T RESPOND.

THAT WOULD BE DURING THE AGENDA REQUEST PORTION OR ANNOUNCEMENTS OF THIS IS WHAT I'M REQUESTING, THIS IS WHY, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.

RIGHT. AND I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY FOR IN TERMS OF GETTING THINGS ON THE AGENDA SO ONE, ONE MEMBER CAN GET IT ON.

SO IF THE MEMBER MAKES THE REQUEST AND THE BOARD PRESIDENT SAYS YES, THEN IT GOES ON THE AGENDA.

WHETHER THE THREE OR THE CONSENSUS IS ONLY IF THE PRESIDENT DOES KNOW.

YES, YOU ALL TALK ABOUT IT LATER.

SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, ONE MEMBER CAN GET SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA WITH BOARD PRESIDENT APPROVAL.

YES, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY.

I'M LIKE EVERYBODY IS TALKING ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS AND I'M LIKE, WELL, BUT DOESN'T THE POLICY SAY THIS? IT DOESN'T. THE YEAH, BUT BUT THE ONLY, THE ONLY KEY IS, IS THAT YOU HAVE TO GO LOOK AT ALL THE OTHER DISTRICTS AND FOR SOME FOR SOME REASON.

RIGHT. WHICH NOBODY CAN EVER TELL ME WHY IN ALL THE OTHER DISTRICTS THEY HAVE TWO HAVE ALMOST ALL OF THEM.

I CAN'T SAY ALL. THERE ARE A FEW, MOST OF THEM.

IT'S TWO TRUSTEES, EVEN IF IF THE BOARD PRESIDENT DENIES IT, THEN TWO TRUSTEES CAN SAY THEY WANT IT ON THERE.

WHICH IS THE MOTION AND THE SECOND IT ACTUALLY TIES INTO ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER.

YEAH. OKAY.

SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY, TOO, AND JACOB'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

IT ONLY REQUIRES ONE TRUSTEE TO EVEN REQUEST SUCH AN ITEM.

FIRST AND FOREMOST. THAT'S WHAT YOUR POLICY SAYS.

THAT'S WHAT THE BOARD OPS CURRENTLY SAY.

THE ONLY THING THAT'S NOT IN ALIGNMENT, WHAT YOUR BOARD OPS ARE NOT IN ALIGNMENT WITH YOUR LOCAL POLICY IS THAT THREE MEMBER ROLE RIGHT NOW, YOUR BOARD OPPOSITE THREE MEMBERS.

IF IT GETS DENIED GOING TO THE FULL BOARD, THAT WHOLE LANGUAGE ABOUT THREE MEMBERS IS ONLY IN YOUR BOARD OPS.

THE CONSENSUS LANGUAGE IS IN YOUR LOCAL POLICY.

AND THAT'S WHAT THIS BOARD OPERATING PROCEDURES IS TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH, IS ALIGN WITH YOUR LOCAL POLICY LANGUAGE THAT USES THE TERM CONSENSUS, JUST CLARIFYING THAT IT DOESN'T HAVE A NUMBER. SO MY RECOMMENDATION IS LEAVE IT AT CONSENSUS, BRING THE POLICY BACK IF WE'RE GOING TO MAKE POLICY CHANGES, WHICH IS WHAT WE'VE AGREED SO FAR, WE'RE ALIGNING OUR POLICY AND THEN I'M WRITING DOWN POLICIES THAT WE WANT TO LOOK AT AND I WILL PASS THIS ALONG TO JACOB AND LEGAL TO BRING THESE POLICIES BACK TO US.

SO WE HAVE MADE IT THROUGH NUMBER TWO ON THE FIRST PAGE.

NUMBER THREE, I DO HAVE A QUESTION AND IT'S COME UP A COUPLE OF TIMES SINCE I'VE BEEN SITTING IN THIS AND EVEN THE REWORK OF IT, IT SAYS THE DEADLINE FOR SUBMITTING ITEMS FOR INCLUSION ON THE AGENDA IS THE 14TH CALENDAR DAY BEFORE REGULAR MEETINGS AND THE THIRD DAY BEFORE SPECIAL MEETINGS.

THIRD DAY COULD BE IF THE MEETING IS ON A TUESDAY, THE THIRD DAY WOULD BE A SUNDAY AND I CAN'T ADJUST THE AGENDA ON A SUNDAY.

SO IT NEEDS TO REALLY SAY BUSINESS DAYS OR BOTH OF THEM SAY CALENDAR DAYS, BUT THEY ARE NOT CONSISTENT IN THAT ONE RIGHT NOW.

SO WE NEED TO CHANGE THAT TO EITHER BOTH OF THEM SAY BUSINESS DAYS, BOTH OF THEM SAY CALENDAR DAYS.

BUT THREE CALENDAR DAYS BEFORE SPECIAL MEETING DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT I CAN CHANGE THE AGENDA IF IT HAPPENS ON A WEEKEND, BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO CHANGE AN AGENDA. THAT ONLY COMES FROM STAFF WHO DON'T WORK ON THE WEEKEND.

SO I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE PUT THIRD BUSINESS DAY BEFORE SPECIAL MEETINGS.

DIDN'T WE JUST SAY IF WE'RE CHANGING? BUT THIS IS EXACTLY WRITTEN AS POLICY, RIGHT? IT JUST SAYS THE POLICY. YOU CAN READ IT ALONG WITH YOUR BOARD OPS LANGUAGE.

BUT THE POLICY SAYS THE DEADLINE FOR SUBMITTING ITEMS FOR INCLUSION ON THE AGENDA IS THE EIGHTH CALENDAR DAY.

THAT'S WHAT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT THE LANGUAGE THERE, WITH THE DAYS, BEFORE REGULAR MEETINGS AND THE THIRD DAY BEFORE SPECIAL MEETINGS, THE NOTICE OF ANY EMERGENCY ADDENDUM TO THE AGENDA MUST BE POSTED AT LEAST 2 HOURS BEFORE THE MEETING.

HOW WAS THAT? SO THAT'S THAT'S THE OLD LANGUAGE THAT WAS THAT'S CROSSED OUT ABOVE THE LANGUAGE FOR THE 14 DAYS AND THE THREE DAYS.

OKAY. SO CAN WE BRING THAT POLICY BACK TO US WHERE THAT ALIGNS? THIS IS THE THIRD BUSINESS DAY.

YES. DOESN'T EVEN SAY THAT.

AND WE'RE ALSO PROPOSING TO CHANGE 14TH TO 8TH OR, 8 TO 14TH.

CORRECT. OKAY.

SO DO YOU WANT ONE TO SAY 14? CAN WE DO TEN CALENDAR DAYS OR TEN BUSINESS DAYS AND THREE BUSINESS DAYS? THAT'S FINE. THE SAME.

THAT'S FINE. CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND, AMBER? SO THIS NUMBER THREE, WHERE IT SAYS THE 14TH CALENDAR DAY, THAT'S A THAT'S A CHANGE.

[03:20:02]

IF IF YOU SEND ME AN AGENDA REQUEST ON A SATURDAY FOR A MEETING THAT'S HAPPENING ON TUESDAY, I CAN'T GET IT ON THE AGENDA BECAUSE THERE'S NO.

WELL, NO, I'M OKAY WITH THE THIRD DAY, THE SPECIAL MEETING ONE.

BUT THE EIGHTH CALENDAR DAY, I MEAN, EIGHTH CALENDAR DAY SHOULD ALWAYS BE FINE.

I CAN'T THINK OF A SCENARIO WHERE EIGHTH CALENDAR DAY WOULDN'T BE FINE UNLESS THE DISTRICTS OFF.

I THINK 14 CALENDAR DAYS IS JUST TOO MANY.

I THINK THE EIGHTH CALENDAR DAY WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO BOND.

WHAT DROVE THAT? I THINK THAT'S LSG RIGHT, BECAUSE IT GIVES STAFF ENOUGH TIME TO ACTUALLY GET INFORMATION.

IF YOUR REQUEST REQUIRES INFORMATION, THAT'S SUPPOSED TO GO OUT TEN DAYS.

YEAH. IF IT'S TEN, WHY DOES IT SAY.

WHY ARE YOU SUGGESTING 14? I DIDN'T PUT 14 UP THERE.

I THINK THEY DID. BECAUSE WHEN YOU BACK IT OUT, IF THE AGENDA IS COMING TO US TEN DAYS BEFORE THE MEETING AND ALL THE BACKUP INFORMATION YOU HAVE TO GIVE STAFF A FEW DAYS, YOU REQUEST IT.

AND IF THERE'S INFORMATION THAT YOU'RE ASKING TO BE POSTED, YOU KIND OF NEED TO NEED A LITTLE TIME.

UNDER NORMAL CIRCUMSTANCES, TEN BUSINESS DAYS AND TWO WEEK OR 14 CALENDAR DAYS SHOULD BE MORE OR LESS THE SAME, RIGHT? I MEAN, UNLESS WE'RE CLOSED FOR SOMETHING.

BUT I WAS JUST TRYING TO MAKE THE TO NOT MAKE IT CONSISTENT WITH BUSINESS DAYS OR CALENDAR DAYS THERE SO IT'S NOT CONFUSING.

IT DOESN'T MATTER TO ME, BUT IT'S A LITTLE LESS CONFUSING.

I THINK IF WE USE EITHER CALENDAR DAYS FOR BOTH OR BUSINESS DAYS FOR BOTH, BUT WE CAN DO IT.

I THINK TEN BUSINESS DAYS ALIGNS WITH LSG.

SO I'M FINE WITH THAT.

SO CAN YOU BRING POLICY BACK FOR US TO LOOK AT ON THAT ONE? OKAY. NEXT CHANGES ARE.

THE ORDER OF BUSINESS MAY BE CHANGED BY THE PRESIDING OFFICER WITH A CONSENSUS OF TRUSTEES PRESENT.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY DOING.

IT'S NOW THIS IS A NEW PART OF IT.

BOARD MAY CONDUCT A CLOSED MEETING AS SUBJECT IS ONE THAT MAY PROBABLY BE DISCUSSED IN A CLOSED MEETING THAT'S JUST RESTATING OUR POLICY.

ALL RIGHT. THAT TAKES US TO PAGE EIGHT, OUR ORDER AT BOARD MEETINGS.

I SAY WE STRIKE AN ORDER ALTOGETHER BECAUSE THIS ISN'T HOW WE DO THINGS.

THE ONLY THING I WOULD PUT IF WE HAD AN ORDER OF THE AGENDA IS THAT STUDENT OUTCOME DISCUSSIONS ALWAYS COME FIRST IMMEDIATELY AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT.

AND THEN SUPERINTENDENT REPORTS NEXT.

THEN, YOU KNOW, BUT MOSTLY THE MAIN IMPORTANT THING IS HAVING STUDENT OUTCOME DISCUSSIONS FIRST.

RIGHT AFTER PUBLIC COMMENTS.

I THINK LEAVING IT UP TO THE PRESIDENT IS FINE.

IF YOU'RE GOING TO PUT IT THAT WAY, THEN THAT'S GREAT.

IF ANOTHER PRESIDENT I MEAN, I THINK JUST.

DELETING IT LIKE THIS.

YEAH, I THINK DELETING IT I THINK YEAH, I'M FINE WITH STRIKING IT AS WELL.

I JUST MAKING SURE ANY FEEDBACK, ANY PROBLEMS WITH STRIKING IT.

NEXT WOULD BE TO THE MIDDLE OF PAGE EIGHT WHERE WE GET TO THE NUMBER THREE, WHICH WILL BE C THREE TRUSTEES WILL DIRECT INDIVIDUAL REQUESTS FOR ADDITIONAL MATERIALS OR INFORMATION RELATING TO THE GENDER RELATED QUESTIONS TO THE SUPERINTENDENT PRIOR TO THE MEETING.

DO WE WANT A TIME STAMP? I MEAN, WE SAY THAT WE NEED RESPONSES FIVE DAYS BEFORE THE MEETING TO ALLOW THE ADMINISTRATION TO RESPOND TO OUR QUESTIONS.

BUT WE DON'T HAVE A TIME STAMP IN OUR POLICY HERE.

I WOULD PREFER NOT BECAUSE WE'RE STILL IN THIS POSITION WHERE WE'RE NOT GETTING INFORMATION SOMETIMES.

I MEAN. I'VE GOTTEN UPDATED LIKE THE DAY OF I'VE GOTTEN UPDATED.

SO I MIGHT, YOU KNOW, I MIGHT NEED A QUICK TURNAROUND IF I'M NOT GETTING SOMETHING UNTIL THE MORNING OF A BOARD MEETING.

THAT'S AN UPDATED SLIDE DECK AND THAT HAS A NEW SLIDE.

HOW ABOUT IF WE GET THE MATERIAL THREE DAYS TO RESPOND WITHIN THREE DAYS? I MEAN, SO LIKE WE'RE GETTING OUR INFORMATION AT LEAST TEN DAYS PRIOR TO A MEETING NOW FOR OUR REGULAR SCHEDULE MEETINGS.

WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET ALL OF OUR QUESTIONS TO ADMINISTRATION WITHIN ONE WEEK.

ACTUALLY, I THINK IT WAS JUST OUR LAST REGULAR MEETING WHERE I RECEIVED THREE OR FOUR THINGS LIKE DOWN.

I GOT THE AGENDA, BUT NOT ALL OF THE INFORMATION.

AND SO I'M JUST REALLY HESITANT TO TIE ANY TYPE.

EVEN TODAY, EVEN TODAY, WE DIDN'T GET THESE MAPS IN THE UPDATED SLIDE DECK UNTIL 11:00.

[03:25:04]

YEAH. AND I MEAN, IT WAS JUST THE LAST I MEAN, WE DO I REALLY APPRECIATE GETTING THE AGENDA EARLY, BUT WE'RE STILL GETTING ALL THE MATERIAL EARLY.

AND EVEN THEN SOMETIMES I'LL GET UPDATED SLIDE DECKS THROUGHOUT THAT TEN DAYS.

SO I'M JUST NOT I'M HESITANT.

YOU KNOW, WE MAKE BIG DECISIONS AND YOU KNOW, I MIGHT IF THEY'RE GOING TO SEND ME SOMETHING EARLY IN THE MORNING, THEN THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TURN AROUND AND GIVE ME INFORMATION THAT I NEED TO MAKE THE DECISIONS BY THAT EVENING, I MEAN, SO IT'S GOT TO BE BY THE BOARD MEETING.

SO I JUST FEEL LIKE WE'RE STILL WORKING THAT OUT.

SO I WOULD JUST LEAVE AT THIS POINT.

I WOULD PREFER NOT TO HAVE A TIME THERE.

ANY OTHER FEEDBACK.

SO IT SAYS TRUSTEES WILL DIRECT INDIVIDUAL REQUESTS FOR ADDITIONAL MATERIALS.

YOU'RE SAYING AFTER OUR TEN DAY WHERE WE GET THE GOOGLE.

WHAT IS IT CALLED, GOOGLE DOC DRIVE.

WITH ALL THE DOCUMENTS.

TRUSTEES WILL DIRECT INDIVIDUAL REQUESTS FOR ADDITIONAL MATERIALS BEYOND THOSE MATERIALS, PRESUMABLY RELATING TO AGENDA RELATED QUESTIONS TO THE SUPERINTENDENT PRIOR TO THE MEETING. WE.

RIGHT, BUT BUT SOMETIMES WE ALSO ASK FOR ASK QUESTIONS IN MEETINGS.

RIGHT. BUT THAT KIND OF LIKE TONIGHT WHEN YOU ASKED FOR THE PERCENTAGE OF MATERIAL LIKE THE PERCENTAGE OF THE BUDGET THAT APPLIES TO DIRECT INSTRUCTIONAL SUPPORT GETTING I MEAN, I KNOW THIS WOULD NOT APPLY TO THIS MEETING BECAUSE THIS IS FOR REGULAR SCHEDULED BOARD MEETINGS.

BUT IF YOU WERE GIVEN THE BUDGET TEN DAYS EARLY, GET THAT QUESTION TO ADMINISTRATION PRIOR TO FOUR DAYS, FOUR CALENDAR DAYS BEFORE THE MEETING. SO THAT ADMINISTRATION HAS TIME TO PREPARE BECAUSE IF YOU GET IN HERE AND YOU ASK THAT QUESTION, IT'S IMPOSSIBLE FOR THEM TO ANSWER IT.

AND IF YOU GET IT TO THEM THE MORNING OF THE MEETING AND YOU SAY, I WANT THE PERCENTAGE OF RESOURCES, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING, THAT DOESN'T GIVE ADMINISTRATION SOMETIMES ENOUGH.

I MEAN, MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING EASY, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

HAS THIS BEEN PROBLEMATIC? YEAH. THERE HAVE BEEN TRUSTEES THAT ARE ASKING QUESTIONS LIKE THE DAY BEFORE OR THE DAY OF A REGULAR BOARD.

A REGULAR BOARD MEETING.

AND SO IT'S NOT GIVING ADMINISTRATION.

THEY'RE HAVING TO STOP WHAT THEY'RE DOING ON OTHER THINGS TO RESPOND TO QUESTIONS THAT THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO DO THEIR BUSINESS.

I'M SENSITIVE. WELL, WELL, ACTUALLY, I'LL ADMIT I'M PROBABLY ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE BECAUSE I HAVE A FULL TIME JOB AND WE'VE BEEN HAVING MULTIPLE MEETINGS.

AND SO I DO RECALL THAT WE HAD LIKE ONE OR TWO MEETINGS THE WEEK BEFORE, AND THEN WE HAD ANOTHER MEETING THE FOLLOWING WEEK.

SO WHEN WE GOT THE AGENDA TEN DAYS BEFORE, I'M PREPARING FOR TWO OTHER MEETINGS, AND THEN IT WAS PROBABLY OVER THE WEEKEND WHERE I GOT TO PREPARE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I HAVE TO WORK AND FEED MY FAMILY AND SO THEN THEY GET THEM ON MONDAY.

SO YEAH, I MEAN, MONDAY IS FINE WHEN THE MEETING'S NOT TILL THURSDAY.

THE PROBLEM IS CAN QUESTIONS ON WEDNESDAY OR ON THURSDAY FOR A MEETING ON THURSDAY.

YEAH, WELL AND THE OTHER THING IS, IS THAT LOTS OF TIMES I DO NOT PREPARE AND THIS IS THE SAME THING I DO IN MY PROFESSIONAL WORLD.

AND THIS IS VERY COMMON WITH PROFESSIONALS, IS THAT IF I KNOW YOU ARE GOING TO GIVE ME AN UPDATED SLIDE DECK, I WILL NOT REVIEW THAT SLIDE DECK.

MY TIME IS PRECIOUS, MY TIME.

AND SO I DO WAIT.

AND WHEN A NEW SLIDE DECK COMES OUT, I DO ASK NEW QUESTIONS.

BUT THAT'S THE POINT OF GETTING IT TO US TEN DAYS AHEAD OF TIME, EVEN IF IT GETS UPDATED, IS TO GIVE US SOMETHING TO WORK WITH, AND IT MAY BE UPDATED BASED ON QUESTIONS THAT SOMEONE ELSE ASKED AND FLAGGED.

SO IT'S STILL NOT FAIR AND IT ACTUALLY TAKES AWAY FROM STUDENT OUTCOMES.

IF THE PEOPLE THAT WE'RE EXPECTING TO DO THEIR DAY JOBS AND PROVIDE EDUCATION FOR OUR STUDENTS HAVE THEIR ONLY JOB ISN'T THE BOARD AND THE BOARD MEETING LIKE THERE HAS TO BE A MECHANISM AND MAYBE THAT'S THE TEACHER IN ME SAYING, WELL, NO, I MEAN, I MEAN WHEN YOU HAVE TEN DAYS, WE SHOULD HAVE FIDELITY IN OUR DATA.

BUT WE, WE HAVE GOTTEN A LOT OF PRESENTATIONS THAT ARE NOT ALL THE WAY FILLED OUT.

AND WE'RE EVEN TOLD SOMETIMES THAT THERE'S MORE DATA COMING AND THEN THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO CHANGE.

YOU KNOW, THE BUDGET PRESENTATIONS HAVE ALL BEEN UPDATED WITHIN THAT TEN DAYS, NOT BECAUSE OF OTHER QUESTIONS.

I MEAN, I GET THAT.

BUT, YOU KNOW, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE GET AN UPDATE FROM PATTY SAYING, YOU KNOW, THESE SLIDES CHANGE THESE NUMBERS WHEN I LOOK USUALLY PRETTY MINOR.

I MEAN, AND WHEN WE GET OUR AGENDA.

WELL, I'M NOT GOING TO GO INTO LIKE ALL THE DETAILS, BUT THE WHOLE THING IS THAT YOU'VE GOT TO LOOK AT IT HOLISTICALLY AND DO A REALLY FINE REVIEW OF YOUR DATA.

AND SO YOU'VE GOT TO DO THAT.

SO THIS IS A GIVE AND TAKE.

I MEAN, AT TEN DAYS WE'VE EITHER GOT TO HAVE THESE THINGS DONE AND THEY'VE GOT TO BE DONE WELL AND READY TO GIVE US AND BE FULLY REVIEWED.

AND MANY TIMES WE GET THE DATA.

AND I MEAN, I CAN GO BACK INTO OUR EMAIL AND BE LIKE, OH, THESE ARE GOING TO BE COMING OR THIS IS GOING TO BE CHANGING.

WE ALREADY KNOW. SO I JUST DON'T THINK WE SHOULD PUT A TIME ON THIS RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF THAT REASON.

SO TRUSTEE BONE HAS MADE HER POINT.

[03:30:02]

WHAT'S WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING.

WHAT I'M LOOKING AT NOW, IF IT'S BLACK, NOTHING'S CHANGED FROM OUR EXISTING POLICY, RIGHT? IF IT'S RED, IT'S A CHANGE.

IF IT'S A BLUE, IT'S AN ADDITION.

SO RIGHT NOW, YOU'RE LOOKING AT WHAT IT SAYS RIGHT NOW.

YOU KNOW, I DON'T NECESSARILY I WILL SAY THAT I PROBABLY HAVE BEEN A LITTLE BIT GUILTY ALSO OF GETTING MY QUESTIONS IN LATE THE LAST COUPLE, MAYBE THE LAST MEETING.

AND I DID APOLOGIZE TO DR.

AZAIEZ. I MEAN, I GUESS I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE NEED A TIME STAMP, BUT I ALSO FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO SORT OF GIVE ADMINISTRATION THE OUT THAT IF WE ARE GETTING IT IN THAT LATE.

THERE MAY NOT BE ANSWERS TO THOSE QUESTIONS AND EVEN THAT NIGHT AND THAT THAT IS PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE FOR THEM TO ACKNOWLEDGE.

YES, YOU'VE ASKED THIS.

WE WILL GET YOU THIS INFORMATION IF WE CAN ADDRESS IT.

SO WHAT IF WE ADD A LINE? TRUSTEES UNDERSTAND IF THEIR QUESTIONS COME IN AFTER FOUR DAYS PRIOR TO THE REGULAR SCHEDULED BOARD MEETING, THAT ADMINISTRATION MAY NOT HAVE TIME.

THEY'LL DO THEIR BEST, BUT THEY MAY NOT HAVE TIME.

TRUSTEES UNDERSTAND THAT.

YEAH, BECAUSE WE NEED TO MANAGE OUR EXPECTATIONS AROUND.

I MEAN, I'VE ASKED A QUESTION THE DAY BEFORE, BUT I KNOW I MIGHT NOT GET THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION.

DOING THAT IS MORE OF A HEADS UP OF, HEY, I MAY ASK THIS AT THE BOARD MEETING.

DR. AZAIEZ YEAH, I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT FROM, FROM OUR STANDPOINT, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ANSWERED ALL YOUR QUESTIONS BECAUSE I KNOW WE HAVE TO MAKE DECISIONS RIGHT BASED ON THOSE ANSWERS.

BUT I WANT TO I WANT US TO KNOW, ALL OF US TO KNOW AS WE WORK TOGETHER IS THE PURPOSE IS REALLY TO MAKE OUR MEETINGS MORE PRODUCTIVE AND MORE EFFICIENT AND LESS TIME AND REALLY FOCUS MORE ON STUDENT OUTCOMES, REALLY, AND HAVE US TALK ABOUT THAT STUFF MORE.

SO IT'S REALLY NOT TO GIVE ANYBODY A HARD TIME, IT'S JUST TO MAKE US MORE EFFICIENT AND CONDUCTING OUR BUSINESS AND GETTING THE JOB DONE.

YOU KNOW, I GUESS SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME, WE DON'T HAVE TO STAY UNTIL 3:00, THAT'S ALL.

OKAY. SO DO I HAVE A CONSENSUS THAT WE ADD A TAGLINE SAYING TRUSTEES UNDERSTAND? I SEE FOUR NODS MOVING ON TO NUMBER FOUR, WHICH IS BLUE.

SO IT'S AN ADDITION, TRUSTEES MUST RSVP TO MEETINGS VIA THE METHOD THE PRESIDING OFFICER OR THE BOARD'S EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT SENDS.

I WOULD CHANGE THAT FROM MUST TO SHALL JUST BECAUSE THAT'S A TYPICAL WORD THAT IS USED IN POLICIES IS SHALL.

ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THAT? AND ADD AN APOSTROPHE.

OH YEAH. I'VE ALREADY ADDED IT.

BOARDS ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR FEEDBACK? YEAH. I WOULD JUST ADD SHALL THEN TO TRUSTEES SHALL REVIEW AGENDA AND ALL MATERIALS AND TRUSTEES SHALL ARRIVE AT BOARD MEETINGS IN A TIMELY MANNER AND THEN TRUSTEES SHALL.

I MEAN, I WOULD ADD ALL THOSE SHALLS OR ALL THOSE AS WILLS AND SEE.

I'M FINE WITH THAT. OK.

NOW WE'RE DOWN UNDER CONDUCT DURING BOARD MEETINGS.

NUMBER TWO, THAT'S A CHANGE TO ALIGN WITH STATE LAW NOW, WHEN THESE POLICIES WERE ADOPTED LAST TIME, WE COULD LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF TIME PUBLIC COMMENT TOOK UP WITH CHANGES TO OPEN MEETINGS ACT NOW.

YOU THERE'S NO TIME LIMIT.

SO WE STRIKE THE 20 MINUTES AND JUST SAY THE BOARD WILL SET ASIDE TIME TO AFFORD THE GENERAL PUBLIC.

NUMBER THREE IS CROSSED OUT TO ALIGN WITH WHAT WE ARE CURRENTLY DOING AND WHAT'S IN LINE WITH STATE LAW.

THERE'S NO LONGER GROUPS THAT CAN SPEAK FOR 5 MINUTES.

THAT'S STATE LAW.

THEN ARE WE GOING TO GO THROUGH THESE? CAN WE JUST GO THROUGH THEM PAGE BY PAGE? ARE YOU GOING TO GO THROUGH EACH INDIVIDUAL CHANGE? I THINK WE STARTED OUT DOING JUST BY PAGE BY PAGE.

THAT'S WHAT I'M STILL DOING.

OH, I KNOW. BUT NOW YOU'RE GOING THROUGH EACH INDIVIDUAL CHANGE AND.

I DON'T KNOW. DID IT? I DIDN'T KNOW HOW WE WERE DOING THAT.

I'M JUST THINKING TIME WISE.

SO IT'S GETTING LATE.

SO I'M AT THE TOP OF PAGE TEN ON SIGNAGE.

I'M NOT SURE WHO PROPOSED THIS, BUT I THINK WE NEED RULES ABOUT WHAT SIGNS WE'RE ALLOWING AND NOT ALLOWING.

IF WE'RE ALLOWING ALL SIGNS, NO SIGNS, WHERE ARE THE SIGNS GOING TO BE PLACED? I DIDN'T RECOMMEND THIS, BUT I KNOW SOMEONE MUST HAVE.

SO DO WE HAVE COMMENTS ON THE SIGNS? IT WAS ME AND IT REALLY WAS.

WE'VE HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS.

WE'VE HAD PEOPLE WRITING NOTES, WE'VE HAD PEOPLE HANGING THINGS.

WE'VE HAD SO MUCH IN THE WAY OF SIGNS THAT I KNOW A LOT OF DISTRICTS JUST DON'T ALLOW SIGNS IN THE BOARDROOM AT ALL.

YOU KNOW, IT BLOCKS PEOPLE THAT ARE SITTING BEHIND YOU.

IT CAN BLOCK THE CAMERA.

IT CAN CAUSE ISSUES IF PEOPLE DON'T AGREE WITH THE SIGN.

[03:35:03]

YEAH. I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, LEGALLY, THE BOARD CAN ADOPT REASONABLE LIMITATIONS ON TIME, PLACE AND MANNER RESTRICTIONS OF SIGNAGE.

OTHER TRUSTEES I'M OKAY WITH NO SIGNS.

IS IT REASONABLE THEN NO SIGNS? I BELIEVE YOU CAN DO NO SIGNS WITHIN THE BOARDROOM, BUT THEY CAN CERTAINLY HAVE THEM OUT IN THE PUBLIC AREA OUTSIDE OF THE BOARDROOM.

I THINK IT WOULD BE HARD TO MITIGATE AND NAVIGATE WHAT'S ALLOWED AND WHAT'S NOT ALLOWED.

I THINK IT'S EITHER ALL OR NONE.

I JUST THINK THAT'S THE EASIEST WAY VERSUS MEASURING OR SAYING.

I MEAN, WE'VE HAD PEOPLE BRING IN TIRE ROAD SIGNS BEFORE.

SO I WOULD BE IN FAVOR FOR SIMPLICITY SAKE ABOUT JUST NO SIGNS.

WHAT HAPPENS IF THERE'S SIGNAGE THEN WE JUST ASK PEOPLE TO PLEASE REMOVE THE SIGNAGE, AND THEN IF THEY DON'T, THEN THAT'S A DISRUPTION OF THE MEETING.

MAY I. MAY I ASK A FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION? WHAT IS A SIGN? I MEAN, IT'S JUST SIGNS AND POSTERS IS WHAT TASB SAYS.

ANY KIND OF SIGNS AND POSTERS THAT ARE BROUGHT TO A BOARD MEETING.

SO, I MEAN, WHITE BOARDS, TOO.

I MEAN, I THINK WE WOULD CLARIFY.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT, BUT IS A SHIRT A SIGN? NO, NO, IT'S A SHIRT.

NO. GO AHEAD, JACOB.

I WAS JUST GOING TO SUGGEST WE NOT REQUIRE PEOPLE TO LEAVE THEIR SHIRTS OUTSIDE [LAUGHTER] FROM A CONDUCTING BUSINESS STANDPOINT, IT'S DISTRACTING WHEN PEOPLE ARE WRITING DIFFERENT SIGNS AND HOLDING THEM UP OR WRITING THIS AND HOLDING THEM UP.

THAT'S WHAT PUBLIC COMMENT IS FOR AND ALLOWING PEOPLE TO HAVE THEIR OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO THE BOARD.

BUT HAVING PEOPLE WAVE UP THIS SIGN OVER HERE OR THIS SIGN OVER HERE, IT'S DISTRACTING WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO CONDUCT THE BUSINESS OF THE DISTRICT.

THAT'S MY OPINION AND I WELCOME PUBLIC COMMENT.

LOVE IT. DON'T LIMIT IT.

I EVERY TIME THAT I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD AS PRESIDENT, WE'VE HAD ALL OF OUR PUBLIC COMMENTS AT THE FRONT.

AND ONLY WHEN WE'VE HAD OVER 2 HOURS HAVE I PROPOSED LIKE EVEN LIMITING THE AMOUNT OF TIME.

SO I LOVE PUBLIC COMMENT TIME EVEN THOUGH IT'S IT'S A LOT SOMETIMES.

BUT I WELCOME DIFFERENCES OF OPINION.

BUT SIGNS ARE DISTRACTING WHEN PEOPLE ARE BACK HERE DOING THIS, HOLDING SOMETHING UP.

AND I'LL ADMIT I'VE EVEN SOME OF THEM ARE FUNNY, RIGHT? LIKE SOME OF THEM ARE ENTERTAINING.

BUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT. EVEN THE WRITTEN SIGNS LIKE IT'S CLEVER AND THEY'RE RELEVANTLY COMMUNICATING ABOUT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

BUT I JUST FEEL LIKE IT NEEDS TO BE ALL OR NONE.

AND NO, I DON'T FEEL LIKE A SHIRT INCLUDES A SIGN, EVEN IF IT HAS LOGOS OR WHATEVER ON IT.

SO I'M ACTUALLY.

YOU KNOW, I REFLECT BACK ON WHAT SIGNS HAVE BEEN BROUGHT IN HERE AND THE ONES THAT I REALLY REMEMBER ARE THE EDUCATIONAL ASSISTANTS.

AND I REMEMBER THEY HAD LIKE TACO BELL AND THEY HAD H-E-B.

AND MAN, I WOULD, I WOULD HATE TO TAKE THAT MECHANISM AWAY FROM THEM BECAUSE IT WAS SO THAT VISUAL WAS SO POWERFUL FOR ME.

YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DIFFERENT SIGNS.

I AM FOR THE ONES WHERE THEY'RE ACTUALLY COMMUNICATING WITH US.

I DON'T THINK THOSE CAN I DON'T THINK THOSE SHOULD BE ALLOWED BECAUSE THEY ARE DISTRACTING BECAUSE THEY ARE TRYING TO COMMUNICATE WITH US.

HOW ABOUT THIS? I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU.

NO SIGNS ALLOWED WHEN SOMEONE IS ACTUALLY USING THEIR 2 MINUTES OF PUBLIC COMMENT.

SO IF YOU WANT TO COME UP WITH A GRAPH OR YOU WANT TO COME UP WITH WHATEVER, BUT NO SIGNS IN THE AUDIENCE.

SO I THINK THE PROBLEM I HAVE WITH THAT IS THAT I LOOK BACK AND LIKE THE EDUCATIONAL ASSISTANTS, I DON'T THINK MOST PEOPLE AREN'T GOING TO KNOW LIKE THESE FOLKS WILL, BECAUSE MOST OF THE ONES IN THE ROOM NOW ARE PEOPLE THAT ATTEND ALL THE TIME.

BUT LIKE THE EDUCATIONAL ASSISTANTS, I DON'T THINK THOSE KIND OF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO KNOW THAT, OH, YOU CAN HAVE THEM WHEN YOU'RE IN YOUR 2 MINUTES OR NOT.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S PEOPLE THAT HAVE BROUGHT SIGNS AND POSTED THEM ON THE WALL.

AND I MEAN, THAT'S NOT DISTRACTING TO ME.

AND ACTUALLY EVEN WAVING SIGNS IS NOT DISTRACTING.

I DO HAVE TO SAY, WHEN PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO COMMUNICATE WITH US, I THINK THAT'S A DIFFERENT LEVEL IN THE WRITING ON NOTEBOOKS.

I THINK THAT I THINK WE CAN I THINK WE SHOULD ASK THAT ALL TO STOP.

BUT I THINK FOR SIGNS AND I DO AGREE WITH THINK WE NEED TO BE DOWN SO THEY DON'T BLOCK BUT I REALLY DON'T WANT TO GET INTO MANAGING SIGNS AND LIKE HAVING PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE COME AND PETITION THEIR GOVERNMENT.

I LOVE IT. I THINK.

I MEAN, I'VE SEEN STUDENTS DO IT.

I'VE SEEN STUDENTS BRING SIGNS.

AND I JUST I LOVE IT.

AND THE ONLY THING THAT'S EVER BEEN SUPER DISTRACTING TO ME IS WHEN THEY ARE COMMUNICATING WITH US.

SO I THINK THAT'S JUST GOING TO BE REALLY HARD TO REGULATE, THOUGH, AND SAY WHO'S TRYING TO COMMUNICATE AND WHO'S NOT.

AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO RUN AFOUL OF SOME LEGAL ISSUES.

SO I MEAN, TO ME, I THINK IF WE ADDED IT INTO WHEN YOU SIGN UP AND THERE IS AN EXPLANATION OF THE FACT THAT YOU CAN HAVE A SIGN

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BUT AFTER THAT, NO SIGNS, I THINK I THINK SOME PEOPLE COME, THOUGH, AND THEY ACTUALLY I MEAN, I'VE SEEN PEOPLE ACTUALLY HAVE SIGNS.

SOME PEOPLE EVEN DENY IT. YOU KNOW, THEY HAD SIGNS, BUT THEY WON'T GET UP AND SPEAK.

I MEAN, IT'S SUPER YOU KNOW, I JUST IT'S IN THE INTEREST OF LIKE, I TOTALLY GET YOUR OPINION.

I GET YOUR OPINION. LET'S LOOK FOR CONSENSUS.

I HAVEN'T SPOKEN ON THIS YET.

I WILL SAY THIS.

YOU'RE REFLECTING ON CERTAIN SIGNS.

I'VE BEEN THE SUBJECT OF A LOT OF THE SIGNS.

AND AS SOMEBODY I THINK THE ONLY PERSON AT THIS DAIS WHO'S WORN A UNIFORM TO PROTECT THE RIGHT OF CITIZENS TO PETITION THEIR GOVERNMENT, EVEN THE ONES THAT, YOU KNOW, GOD LOVE THEM.

YOU KNOW, THEY CAN'T WAIT TO VOTE AGAINST ME.

AND IT HAS NEVER OCCURRED TO ME THAT I WOULD LEVERAGE MY POWER TO WALK OVER THERE AND TAKE THAT SIGN OUT OF THEIR HAND.

IT HAS NEVER EVEN OCCURRED TO ME.

AND I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT WE WOULD EVEN SPEND TIME ON THIS.

NOW, IF WE'RE USING THE SIGN AS A WEAPON, IF WE'RE BLOCKING THE VIEWS OF OTHERS.

IF WE'VE GOT STUDENTS NAMES, YOU KNOW, LIKE OK, BUT THE PUBLIC AND THE CITIZENS HAVE SUCH LIMITED OPPORTUNITIES TO CONFRONT THEIR GOVERNMENT.

WITH HOW THEY FEEL.

I AM JUST NOT IN FAVOR.

NOT AFTER ALL THAT I HAVE DONE, MY HUSBAND HAS DONE, OUR SON IS CURRENTLY DOING TO PROTECT THESE RIGHTS OF CITIZENS.

I AM NOT COMFORTABLE WITH GETTING INTO THE SIGN MANAGEMENT BUSINESS.

I AM UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE CHANGING SIGNS.

BUT THEN I DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW YOU REGULATE THAT BECAUSE THAT'S NOT REALLY A SIGN.

I MEAN, A SIGN IS STATIC.

A SIGN DOESN'T CHANGE.

BUT WHEN YOU'RE CONSTANTLY CHANGING, NOW YOU'RE COMMUNICATING.

SO THAT'S ACTUALLY NOT A SIGN.

BUT I DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW YOU REGULATE THAT MAYBE THAT'S A CONVERSATION.

SO I AM OPPOSED TO RESTRICTING OUR CITIZENS ABILITY TO EXPRESS THEMSELVES LEGALLY TO THEIR GOVERNMENT.

I THINK THE TRUSTEE THE PREVIOUS WE TALK ABOUT THE PURPOSE OF THIS, THIS RULE IS JUST WE DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THE BUSINESS OF MANAGING WHETHER THE SIGN IS OKAY OR NOT.

THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT.

[INAUDIBLE] THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE A CLEAR POLICY THAT NO SIGN SHOULD BE ALLOWED IN A BOARD ROOM, BECAUSE WE JUST DON'T WANT TO DEAL WITH THAT. THAT'S THE WHOLE PURPOSE FOR ALL SIGNS.

CAN WE SEEK CONSENSUS ON THIS TO SEE HOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD? TIFFANIE YOU AND I HAVE BEEN IN THERE, BEEN SITTING OVER THERE WHEN IT WAS UP HERE, AND THERE WOULD BE CHILDREN HOLDING SIGNS.

I MEAN, WHERE DOES THIS END? YEAH, BUT I UNDERSTAND TO ME IT'S NOT EVEN NECESSARILY ABOUT THE MESSAGING, BECAUSE IF WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW SIGNS LEGALLY, I THINK A SIGN STILL COUNTS AS THE CHANGING BOARD WRITING LIKE YOU CAN'T DIFFERENTIATE AND I DON'T WANT TO MANAGE WHAT'S GOOD OR WHAT'S NOT OKAY, BECAUSE THEN WE HAVE ACCUSATIONS OF WHAT'S FAIR OR WHAT'S UNFAIR.

SO PERSONALLY, I JUST THINK ALL SIGNS YES OR ALL SIGNS NO.

AND THAT'S WHERE I STAND.

AND I'M AN ALL SIGNS YES PERSON.

YEAH, AND I'M ALL SIGNS.

IF IT'S ALL OR NOTHING, I WOULD.

I MEAN, THE CHANGING SIGNS, I DON'T NECESSARILY.

YEAH, THEY'RE DISTRACTING, BUT I WOULD BE FOR ALL SIGNS TO STAY.

TRUSTEE XIAO SIGNS, YES OR NO? ALL OR NOTHING. I SAY NO BECAUSE.

CORY, YES OR NO? I GUESS I'M NOT SUPPORTIVE OF DISRUPTING THE MEETING WITH SIGNAGE.

SO YES OR NO? ALL SIGNS OR NO SIGNS.

I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD HAVE SIGNS.

TRUSTEE HARRISON.

NO ON SIGNS, NO SIGN.

TRUSTEE WEIR.

NO SIGNS. NO SIGNS.

THAT'S OUR NEW RULE WHENEVER WE APPROVE OUR BOARD OPERATING PROCEDURES.

I KNOW I JUST SAID ALL OR NONE, BUT I AM AMENABLE TO DURING PUBLIC COMMENT.

IS THAT A GAP BRIDGER OF PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO HOLD SIGNS DURING PUBLIC COMMENT? NO, I THINK WE JUST DIDN'T KNOW. I THINK IT GETS TOO GRAY AND HARD TO MONITOR THAT.

IT'S GOING TO BE DIFFICULT FROM A MANAGEMENT STANDPOINT.

BUT ALSO Y'ALL ARE TALKING ABOUT IN THE BOARDROOM, RIGHT? I MEAN, IF PEOPLE WANT TO HAVE SIGNS IN THE HALL OR OUTSIDE THE SCHOOL, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THEY CAN DO THAT.

PEOPLE CAN ALWAYS AND IT HAPPENS FROM TIME TO TIME, PRINT THINGS OFF AND HAVE IT DISTRIBUTED TO THE TRUSTEES.

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JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, BECAUSE I THINK WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WATCHING.

AMBER, CAN YOU JUST CONFIRM WHERE YOU FELL ON THAT? NO SIGNS? YES.

AND CAN I GET CLARIFICATION FROM YOU? ALL THIS WOULD NEED TO BE A POLICY CHANGE, THOUGH, RIGHT? THIS IS JUST BOARD OPERATING PROCEDURES BECAUSE I MEAN, THIS IS BIGGER THAN JUST THE BOARD.

I MEAN, ALL OF THE STUFF THAT WE GO BY NOW WITH THE PUBLIC IS POLICY OR LAW.

IT'S NOT JUST IN OUR OPERATING PROCEDURES.

WE DON'T IMPOSE THAT BECAUSE THIS IS BOARD OPERATING PROCEDURES.

THIS IS NOT WE USUALLY DON'T IMPOSE THAT ON THE THE AUDIENCE.

I MEAN, LIKE, THE TIMING IS ALL IN POLICY.

ANYTHING IMPOSED ON THE AUDIENCE IS.

I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING YOUR QUESTION.

I'M SORRY. SO WE'RE SAYING NO SIGNAGE, BUT WE HAVE NO POLICY ABOUT THIS, CORRECT? UNLESS WE GO INTO POLICY, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO.

NOT EVERYTHING IN YOUR PROCEDURES.

I BELIEVE IS EVERYTHING IS IN THE POLICY.

THERE ARE SOME PROCEDURES THAT ARE NOT.

SO I'M SAYING THE SIGNAGE IS NOT IN POLICY.

DO WE NEED TO PUT THIS IN POLICY? YOU CAN I CAN TALK WITH TASB TO SEE IF THEY RECOMMEND IT.

BUT I MEAN, IT'S NOT LIKE A LEGALLY REQUIRED THING.

IT CAN JUST GO IN PROCEDURES, BUT WE CAN DEFINITELY PUT IT IN POLICY OF THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO, BUT I CAN TALK TO TASB AND SEE WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION IS.

I APPRECIATE THAT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON PAGE TEN? OKAY. PAGE 12.

ANY QUESTIONS ON PAGE 12? MEETING PROTOCOL. I DO, BUT I'M HAPPY TO DEFER.

ACTUALLY, I HAD I'M SORRY YOU SKIPPED OVER ONE THAT I HAD.

AND SO THAT'S WHY. SORRY.

YOU WERE THE ONE THAT SAID, CAN WE JUST GO PAGE BY PAGE? SO I WAS DOING THAT.

WELL, ACTUALLY, YOU WERE GOING INDIVIDUALLY AND THEN YOU WENT PAGE BY PAGE AND YOU ACTUALLY LIKE, CAN YOU GO TO A PAGE? BUT YOU ACTUALLY WHEN YOU DID THAT, YOU ACTUALLY SKIPPED BY ANYWAYS ON.

I ASKED IF THERE WAS ANY COMMENT ON ANYTHING ON PAGE TEN, I'M ASSUMING RIGHT ON PAGE TEN.

NUMBER THREE, IT WAS RIGHT BEFORE SIGNAGE.

I ACTUALLY I WOULD KEEP THAT AS THE BOARD MAY MODIFY THESE TIMES.

I THINK THE THIS IS THE BOARD'S MEETING IT SHOULDN'T BE THE BOARD PRESIDENT THAT DECIDES IF THE TIMING OF IF I'M RIGHT THIS IS THE TIMING OF THE AUDIENCE RIGHT. THAT THEY GET FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

I PREFER TO KEEP THAT AS THE BOARD.

I THINK THAT WORKS WELL. WE GET IN HERE, WE ALL SAY, HEY, DO WE AGREE TO A MINUTE, MINUTE AND A HALF, 2 MINUTES? I THINK IT SHOULD SAY PAGE TEN.

IT'S AT THE TOP. IT'S RIGHT BEFORE THE SIGNAGE BAN.

THAT'S WHY THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED.

IT GOT SKIPPED REAL QUICK.

AND ACTUALLY I WISH THAT THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN HIGHLIGHTED TO US, AMBER, BECAUSE THAT'S A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT THING.

I DIDN'T I DIDN'T IT'S ALREADY IN POLICY THAT WAY.

SO IT WASN'T A CHANGE.

SO THAT'S WHY. YEAH, SO I WOULD BRING THAT POLICY FORWARD AND BECAUSE THAT'S NOT HOW WE DO IT AND I WOULD PREFER IT BE THE BOARD.

I THINK IT WORKS WELL THAT WAY.

YEAH, I DIDN'T RECOMMEND IT.

I'M FINE WITH IT SAYING THE BOARD.

AND SO CAN YOU BRING THAT POLICY FORWARD TO US, JACOB? MR. WOOLSTON YEAH.

I MEAN, I'D NEVER UNILATERALLY MAKE THAT DECISION.

I ALWAYS COME TO THE BOARD AND SAY, HEY, WE'VE GOT I WOULDN'T WANT TO SAY, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, NO PROBLEM.

JUST CHANGE IT TO A CONSENSUS OR CONSENSUS.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON PAGE TEN? GOING ONCE.

PAGE 12, ONLY SKIPPING PAGE 11 BECAUSE THERE'S ONE LINE ON IT.

BUT IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING ON PAGE 11, SPEAK NOW.

PAGE 12.

THERE ARE A FEW ADDITIONS AND SUBTRACTIONS.

SO I MEAN, I'LL GO FIRST ON MEETING PROTOCOL.

I DID HIGHLIGHT NUMBER TWO I'VE ACTUALLY BEFORE I BEFORE I WAS A BOARD MEMBER THERE ARE FORMER TRUSTEES WHO TOLD ME ALL ABOUT HOW THIS EVEN GOT INTO THE BOARD OPERATING PROCEDURES.

AND THERE ARE SOME INTERESTING STORIES THERE.

I WOULD SAY THAT I HAVE SEEN IT ALL.

I'VE SEEN EVERY SINGLE TRUSTEE AT THIS DAIS ON THEIR PHONE AT ONE TIME OR ANOTHER, INCLUDING MYSELF.

WE ALL HAVE. WELL, SIX OF US HAVE CHILDREN.

AND. I MEAN, WHEN YOU HAVE MINOR CHILDREN IN YOUR IN A MEETING FOR 8 HOURS, I MEAN, IT'S ENTIRELY REASONABLE.

AND AND SOMETIMES SPORT EVENTS, SPORTING EVENTS DON'T LINE UP WITH OUR BREAKS.

SOMETIMES THE SCHEDULES OF OUR CHILDREN DON'T LINE UP WITH OUR BREAKS.

SOMETIMES OUR SPOUSES ARE UNAVAILABLE.

AND I DON'T THINK ANY OF US WOULD WANT US TO, YOU KNOW, BE ON OUR PHONE FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME DOING OTHER THINGS.

BUT CHECKING YOUR PHONE.

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BUT ON THE DAIS YOU SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON THE MEETING BUSINESS AND NOT UTILIZING YOUR PERSONAL ELECTRONIC DEVICE, IN MY OPINION.

I AGREE WITH THAT.

BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS I WOULD HATE FOR THIS TO BE BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, I'VE SEEN YOU ON YOUR PHONE.

I'VE SEEN JUN ON HIS PHONE.

I'VE SEEN I'VE BEEN ON MY PHONE CHECKING THINGS.

I MEAN, EVERYBODY HAS, THESE MEETINGS ARE ARE VERY LONG AND WE HAVE LIVES OUTSIDE OF THE BOARD MEETINGS.

SO EVEN THOUGH I'VE SEEN EVERYBODY CHECK THEIR PHONE, I ALSO BELIEVE THAT EVERYBODY IS PAYING ATTENTION TO THE MEETING AND ENGAGED IN THE MEETING.

I WILL SAY I ONLY CHECK DURING BREAKS.

I KEEP MY PHONE COMPLETELY AWAY FROM MYSELF.

I GAVE MY SON PATTY'S NUMBER SO HE KNOWS TO CALL WHEN IF HE'S HOME ALONE TO CALL PATTY.

AND I ALSO WANT TO CLARIFY DIFFERENT TRUSTEE CHECKING THEIR PHONE FOR DIFFERENT PURPOSES.

YEAH, MAYBE SO. I DON'T KNOW.

WELL, AND I THINK THE PROBLEM WE HAVE NOW IS TECHNOLOGY, BECAUSE I HAVE SEEN TRUSTEES THAT HAVE SMARTWATCHES.

AND AND SO THE SMARTWATCHES FALL INTO THIS.

I KNOW IT SAYS CELL PHONE, BUT IT SHOULD PROBABLY INCLUDE SMARTWATCHES ALSO OUR PERSONAL OUR PERSONAL COMPUTERS.

OUR PERSONAL ANY OTHER KIND OF DEVICE THAT YOU'RE USING BECAUSE YOU COULD BE DOING ALL KINDS OF THE SAME THING THAT YOU'RE DOING ON A CELL PHONE.

SO I THINK IT'S JUST PERSONAL TECHNOLOGY IF WE'RE GOING TO KEEP IT.

BUT I THINK THERE IS AN UNDERSTANDING THAT SOMETIMES BECAUSE I KNOW YOU HAD AN EMERGENCY ONE NIGHT THERE WAS AN ISSUE.

SO I THINK THERE'S AN UNDERSTANDING THAT WE BRIEFLY CHECK.

AND THE CONCERN HERE IS BECAUSE THERE IS A LACK OF TRUST.

IS THIS SOME SORT OF THING, LIKE WHEN SOMEBODY DOES IT AND NOW YOU'RE IN VIOLATION OF THE BOARD OPERATING PROCEDURES AND YOU NEED TO BE, YOU KNOW, CALLED IN FOR THE SANCTION PROCESS. I MEAN, THERE ARE VIOLATIONS AND THEN THERE ARE VIOLATIONS AND SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE GOAL HERE IS.

AND I SOMETIMES I WORRY THAT WE SPEND TOO MUCH TIME TRYING TO TELL EACH OTHER HOW TO BE A BETTER TRUSTEE.

I MEAN, THAT'S SORT OF FOR US TO DECIDE.

AND THEN THE VOTERS CAN HOLD US ACCOUNTABLE.

I WILL SAY, THOUGH, YOU DO NEED TO BE CAREFUL AND I WILL ASK FOR LEGAL TO JUMP IN.

BUT I DO KNOW THAT THERE WAS A BOARD MEMBER IN ANOTHER DISTRICT WHO ANYTHING YOU DO ON THE DAIS IS SUBJECT TO PUBLIC INFORMATION. SO JUST SO YOU KNOW THAT EVEN IF IT'S PERSONAL, EVEN IF YOU'RE DOING YOUR KIDS, IF YOU'RE DOING IT ON THE DAIS IN A BOARD MEETING, AND THERE WAS ANOTHER AND ANOTHER DISTRICT WHERE SOMEBODY WAS APPARENTLY SHOPPING ON AND IT WAS ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE THEY WEREN'T PAYING ATTENTION AND SOMEBODY REQUESTED THAT INFORMATION AND THEY HAD TO GIVE IT UP BECAUSE THEY JUST WEREN'T PAYING ATTENTION TO THEIR MEETING.

AND SO IT IS ALSO FOR YOUR PROTECTION IN A SENSE, NOT TO BE ON ANY OF YOUR ELECTRONIC DEVICES WHILE WE'RE CALLED TO ORDER. AND I APPRECIATE THAT.

WHAT DOES SHE GIVE UP OR HE GIVE UP? HOW DO YOU GIVE UP? I THINK I DON'T KNOW.

BUT THEY IT WAS THEIR INTERNET.

THEY HAD TO PRODUCE THE INTERNET SEARCH HISTORY FROM THE BOARD MEETING TIME.

I CAN'T REMEMBER ALL THE EXACT FACTS, BUT THAT'S MORE OR LESS WHAT IT WAS.

AND THEN IT CAME TO LIGHT THAT HE OR SHE WOULD SHOPPING DURING MOST OF THE MEETING.

AND I'M JUST SAYING THAT BECAUSE ESPECIALLY IF YOU ARE WITH YOUR CHILDREN, YOU WOULDN'T WANT NECESSARILY THAT TO BE.

AND I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T I'M NOT SURE THAT OUR TEXT MESSAGES WITH OUR CHILDREN, WITH OUR MINOR CHILDREN, ARE GOING TO BE SUBJECT TO THE PIA.

IS THAT SOMETHING YOU MIGHT TELL US, MR. WOOLSTON, OR LOOK INTO IF SOME? PROBABLY NOT. THERE PROBABLY AREN'T MANY DECISIONS ABOUT THAT.

BUT I MEAN, TO TRUSTEE WEIR'S POINT, IF YOU ARE DOING THAT DURING THE BOARD MEETING, I MEAN, IT DEFINITELY DRASTICALLY INCREASES THE LIKELIHOOD THAT IT COULD POTENTIALLY BE SUBJECT TO THE OPEN MEETING.

I MEAN, WE WOULD PROBABLY ARGUE SOME EXCEPTIONS WOULD APPLY THERE, BUT IT WOULD BE FOR THE AG TO ULTIMATELY DETERMINE.

I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY CASES GOING ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, THOUGH, FOR DECISIONS.

DOES ANYBODY BELIEVE THAT THIS HAS BEEN PROBLEMATIC? I THINK IT COULD BE.

I MEAN, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE USING PERSONAL DEVICES UP HERE.

I THINK IF YOU WANT TO CHECK YOUR PHONE AND SEE IF THERE'S A TEXT, BUT TO TEXT BACK AND TO BE TEXTING, I THINK THAT'S A WHOLE NOTHER.

I THINK CORY IS KIND OF RIGHT.

I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE TEXTING UP HERE.

IF YOU WANT TO GLANCE DOWN AT YOUR PHONE, SEE THAT YOUR KID, LIKE, MADE IT HOME SAFELY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU ARE RIGHT.

WE'RE WE'RE IN THAT KIND OF WORLD.

BUT I THINK IF YOU NEED TO TEXT THEM BACK OR WHATEVER, THEN YOU GO BACK BEHIND THE DAIS AND YOU'RE OFF THE DAIS BECAUSE YOU COULD BE INTERFACING WITH PEOPLE

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AND THAT'S THAT WOULD NOT BE OKAY.

YEAH, I THINK I CAN MOVE ON THEN.

I HATE TO GO BACK, BUT I JUST REALIZED THAT TWO OF YOU HAVE MADE REQUESTS FOR AGENDA ITEMS. AND I TOLD YOU, WHEN WE GET TO BOARD OPERATING PROCEDURES, WE WILL ADDRESS THAT.

ONE IS TRUSTEE BONE ASKED FOR IT TO EITHER BE A VOTE OR PUT IN POLICY THAT ASKING OUR PUBLIC SPEAKERS WHETHER THEY LIVE IN OUR DISTRICT OR NOT.

AND I THINK THAT WOULD FALL UNDER CONDUCT DURING BOARD MEETINGS.

MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ADDRESSING THE BOARD AND SO DO WE AS A BOARD WANT TO CONTINUE THAT? PAGE EIGHT.

I WOULD JUST SAY I DON'T WANT TO AND I WILL TELL YOU WHY.

AND IT ACTUALLY CAME UP IN ONE OF OUR MEETINGS AND THAT'S THAT WE HAVE STAFF THAT DON'T WORK IN OUR DISTRICT, BUT THEIR KIDS GO HERE.

AND THAT'S REALLY UNCOMFORTABLE FOR THEM WHEN THEY HAVE TO COME AND SPEAK.

I MEAN, IT'S UNCOMFORTABLE FOR STAFF TO HAVE TO COME SPEAK ANYWAYS.

AND ONE OF THEM DID IT AND THEY CAME TO SPEAK FOR THEIR KIDS.

AND THEY HAVE TO SAY, I DON'T LIVE IN THE DISTRICT, BUT I HAVE KIDS IN THE DISTRICT.

AND I JUST THINK IT IT ADDS ANOTHER LAYER OF HINDERING PEOPLE FROM POSSIBLY SPEAKING.

AND I JUST I'M REALLY BIG ON JUST NOT DOING THAT.

SO COULD THEY JUST SAY THAT THEY'RE STAFF? BECAUSE MY CHALLENGE IS THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE OUTSIDE COMING IN TO TRY TO INFLUENCE THE DISTRICT.

AND I'M FINE WITH PEOPLE COMING TO OUR DISTRICT AND SHARING WHAT THEY THINK OR WHAT THEY SEE.

BUT HOW MUCH SHOULD I WEIGH WHAT THEY'RE SAYING ABOUT OUR DISTRICT IF THEY DON'T LIVE HERE? AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT STAFF, I'M TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE THAT ARE DRIVING IN FROM DALLAS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND I KNOW THAT THAT MAKES VIRTUAL TRICKY WHEN PEOPLE CALL IN, BUT JUST AS SOMEBODY WHO'S REPRESENTING OUR COMMUNITY, LIKE I WANT TO KNOW, AM I REPRESENTING OUR COMMUNITY WHETHER OR NOT I AGREE WITH THEM OR AM I REPRESENTING SOMEBODY WHO DOESN'T EVEN LIVE HERE? CAN WE ADD A STAFF? I ACTUALLY WAS ON MY YEAH, I THINK THERE'S I DON'T THINK BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT COMING AS STAFF, THEY'RE COMING AS PARENTS, THAT THEY LIVE OUTSIDE THE DISTRICT FOR EVERYONE OR YOU DON'T.

I MEAN, IT'S LEGAL TO ASK THE QUESTION.

SO JUST IT'S UP TO YOU IF YOU WANT TO ASK.

YEAH. AND I AGREE WITH TIFFANIE.

I MEAN, I DON'T LIKE PEOPLE COMING FROM OUTSIDE THE DISTRICT NECESSARILY, BUT THERE'S THAT BALANCE.

AND I REALLY.

WELL, I DON'T THINK THEY NEED TO DELINEATE.

AND I DON'T THINK THAT MEANS THEY CAN'T SPEAK.

I JUST THINK THAT MEANS THAT THAT I THINK THAT THAT CHANGES.

LIKE IF I SEE TEN PEOPLE FROM DALLAS SPEAKING AND THEY'RE ALL SAYING SOMETHING, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT'S WHAT OUR COMMUNITY WANTS.

AND SO IT'S NOT A GOTCHA AND IT'S NOT TO SAY IF YOU DON'T LIVE HERE, YOU CAN'T SPEAK.

I THINK IT'S FOR OUR CONTEXT AND OUR DECISION MAKING, AND THAT'S HOW I VIEW IT.

I THINK WE NEED TO BE.

I THINK IT'S A TURNOFF FOR OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS.

I KNOW WHEN I WAS NOT A BOARD MEMBER AND I WOULD COME TO PUBLIC COMMENTS, I WOULD NOT HAVE I WAS NEVER SUBJECTED TO THAT.

AND THE BOARD WAS ABLE TO OPERATE.

I MEAN, IT DIDN'T APPEAR TO IMPEDE THE BOARD FROM BEING ABLE TO EXERCISE THEIR OWN JUDGMENT.

I MEAN, I WAS ABLE TO SPEAK A COUPLE OF TIMES AND NEVER WAS ASKED THAT QUESTION.

IN ADDITION, I THINK, YOU KNOW, TODAY'S FAMILIES I MEAN, COME ON, YOU GUYS LIKE WE HAVE BLENDED FAMILIES.

WE HAVE ALL KINDS OF UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCES.

WHEN MY CHILDREN WERE IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, SOME OF THEIR CLASSMATES DID NOT LIVE WITH, THEY WERE IN FOSTER CARE LIKE.

THE JUDGMENT BEHIND THAT QUESTION, I THINK.

AND TIFFANIE, SOMETIMES YOU TALK ABOUT INTENT VERSUS IMPACT.

I DON'T THINK I THINK YOU'RE THE INTENT HERE IS LET'S FIGURE OUT WHO OUR STAKEHOLDERS REALLY ARE AND WHO THE OUTSIDERS ARE, I THINK THAT'S THE INTENT.

BUT I THINK THAT THERE IS A REAL.

REAL IMPACT THAT I THINK IS PROBABLY UNINTENTIONAL.

WE HAVE PARENTS IN OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT WHOSE CHILDREN ATTEND OUR SCHOOLS, BUT THEY DON'T LIVE IN OUR FOOTPRINT FOR WHATEVER REASON.

WE HAVE GRANDPARENTS WHOSE GRANDCHILDREN GO HERE.

YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? I JUST DON'T SEE THE UPSIDE.

I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE.

YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE THAT HAVE UNIQUE FAMILY SITUATIONS, WHICH I MEAN, WE LIVE IN A WORLD WHERE THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS A UNIQUE FAMILY SITUATION, LIKE THERE ARE ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT FAMILIES.

THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE SEEING.

I THINK THAT WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF ALL KINDS OF EXTREMISM.

I THINK THE BOARD AND THE CLIMATE THAT WE ARE EXPERIENCING TODAY IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE EXPERIENCED SEVERAL YEARS AGO WHEN WE WERE SITTING OUT THERE.

I THINK THAT THERE'S NATIONAL MOVEMENTS TRYING TO INFLUENCE OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR SCHOOL BOARD.

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AND THAT'S JUST ME. I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW WHAT THE CONSENSUS IS ON THIS ISSUE SO THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD.

HAVE YOU BEEN ABLE TO TELL THAT, THOUGH, WITHOUT THAT QUESTION? BECAUSE I HAVE.

I MEAN, YOU CAN TELL THE PEOPLE THAT ARE PRETTY MUCH THE OUTSIDERS OR WHO I MEAN, I GUESS I KIND OF WEED THEM THROUGH.

I MEAN, WITHOUT THAT QUESTION, EVEN WHEN AMY WAS PRESIDENT, YOU DIDN'T ASK THIS.

SO I AND WE YOU WERE ABLE TO BE LIKE THIS PERSON.

I THINK IT'S HARDER FOR THE PEOPLE AT HOME.

I THINK THAT'S THAT'S WHERE THE DIFFERENCE IS.

I MEAN, I GUESS MY QUESTION THEN TO WELL, MAYBE ESPECIALLY YOU, DANIELLE.

IS THERE A MECHANISM THAT YOU CAN A DIFFERENT MECHANISM SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THAT INTENT WITHOUT THE IMPACT WHERE WE ARE ABLE TO TELL IF IT IS ONE OF OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS VERSUS SOMEONE WHO'S COMING.

IS THERE ANOTHER WAY TO DO THAT? WITHOUT ASKING A QUESTION.

I DON'T KNOW. BUT I MEAN, PUBLIC COMMENT IS JUST ONE WAY.

PUBLIC COMMENT IS JUST ONE WAY THAT PEOPLE COMMUNICATE WITH US.

THEY DON'T THERE'S NO BARRIER WHEN THEY SEND US AN EMAIL THAT THEY HAVE TO DECLARE IF THEY LIVE IN ROUND ROCK ISD OR NOT.

THERE'S NO BARRIER WHEN I'M INSIDE ROUND ROCK ISD AND OUTSIDE OF ROUND ROCK ISD WITH SOMEBODY APPROACHING ME AND WANTING TO SHARE THEIR THOUGHTS WITH ME.

SO WHAT IS THE [INAUDIBLE]? AND YOU JUST SAID IT.

IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE YOU'RE ACTUALLY CONCERNED WHAT PEOPLE AT HOME ARE THINKING.

WELL, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S OUR JOB TO POLICE WHAT CITIZENS EXERCISING THEIR RIGHTS.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S OUR JOB TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE INFORMING WHAT OBSERVERS KNOW.

I MEAN, I THINK OBSERVERS CAN DRAW THEIR OWN CONCLUSIONS ABOUT WHAT THEY SEE.

AND I DON'T THINK IT'S OUR JOB TO SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT.

WELL IT'S OUR JOB TO KNOW WHO'S SPEAKING TO US.

AND IT'S OUR JOB TO KNOW THAT AND TO KNOW WHO IS SPEAKING TO US AND WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO IMPART.

BUT I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE WATCHING, YOU KNOW, TO KNOW WHAT MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY ARE SAYING AND FOR THEM TO KNOW IT'S A MEMBER OF OUR COMMUNITY.

WELL, AND TWICE NOW, TRUSTEE BONE HAS REFERRED TO PUBLIC COMMENTS PORTION OF OUR MEETINGS AS A COMMUNITY FORUM.

AND IF WE DON'T KNOW IF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SPEAKING ACTUALLY LIVE IN OUR COMMUNITY OR NOT, THEN IT'S NOT REALLY A COMMUNITY FORUM IF 20% OR 40%. I MEAN, AND I'LL TELL YOU HONESTLY, THE REASON WHY THIS CAME UP IS WHEN I SAT IN THIS CHAIR FOR THE FIRST TIME, I STARTED DOING THIS ON THE SECOND MEETING THAT I WAS IN THIS CHAIR. BECAUSE THE FIRST TIME I WAS SITTING IN THIS CHAIR, I HAD NEVER LOOKED AT THESE FORMS BEFORE.

THIS IS ASKED ON THE FORM.

SO WHILE YOU MAY NOT HAVE BEEN ASKED WHEN YOU SPOKE BEFORE TO THE BOARD, YOU TOLD THEM IT'S A MATTER OF PUBLIC RECORD.

SOMEBODY CAN OPEN RECORD, REQUEST ALL OF THIS STUFF AND FIND OUT WHO'S A MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY AND WHO ISN'T.

THIS IS A MATTER OF PUBLIC RECORD.

I JUST MADE IT MORE ACCESSIBLE AND EASIER FOR THE COMMUNITY TO FIND THE ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS THAT WE'RE ALREADY ASKING.

THAT'S A MATTER OF PUBLIC RECORD, AND I JUST REALLY WANTED THE OPPORTUNITY FOR AND LIKE THERE WERE PEOPLE THAT WOULD COME UP AND I DON'T KNOW WHO THEY ARE. AND IF I'M REALLY AND NOT THAT THEY DON'T HAVE VALID POINTS BUT IF I'M REALLY TRYING TO GET A GAUGE ON WHAT IS HAPPENING IN OUR COMMUNITY, I NEED TO KNOW WHO THOSE ARE.

I RECEIVED A LOVELY EMAIL FROM AN INDIVIDUAL IN OREGON LAST WEEK AND HE SAID, I WATCHED YOUR MEETING AND HE'D WATCHED THE MEETING ON SMDS AND HE SAID, YOU HAD SOME GOOD POINTS.

DID YOU THINK ABOUT THIS? DID YOU THINK ABOUT THIS? HE HAD GREAT POINTS.

IT GAVE ME SOME THINGS TO THINK ABOUT, BUT HE DOESN'T LIVE IN OUR COMMUNITY.

SO IT'S IMPORTANT FOR ME TO KNOW THE DISTINCTION WHEN I'M LOOKING AT EMAILS TO SAY, HEY, DOES THIS PERSON LIVE IN OUR COMMUNITY AND ACTUALLY A STAKEHOLDER? AND IF SOMEBODY TELLS ME, HEY, I DON'T LIVE IN YOUR COMMUNITY, BUT I HAVE THREE KIDS THAT GO TO YOUR SCHOOLS, I'M GOING TO WEIGHT THAT ONE A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN SOMEBODY WHO WRITES ME AN EMAIL FROM OREGON.

BECAUSE I REALLY WANT TO KNOW THE FEEDBACK FROM THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE AND GO TO OUR SCHOOLS.

THAT'S THE ONLY REASON WHY I STARTED IT.

NOT TO CALL PEOPLE OUT.

I MEAN, I'M JUST CURIOUS.

PERSON IN OREGON. YEAH.

I DON'T KNOW. I DIDN'T ASK.

WELL, THAT'S WHAT I THINK. I MEAN, BECAUSE I KNOW PEOPLE THAT HAVE THE DAD OR MOM MIGHT OR SOMEBODY MIGHT LIVE OUT OF STATE.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT TRUSTEE WESTON IS TRYING TO GET TO, IS THAT I THINK THAT MIGHT BE WHERE WE'RE AT, WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO BE SO INTENTIONAL THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY KIND OF MISSING THE TARGET.

AND THAT AND I THINK IF IT'S ON THE YOU KNOW, IF IT'S ON THE SHEET, IT'S BEEN ON THE SHEET.

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I MEAN, LIKE TONIGHT, I MEAN, LITERALLY 90% OF OUR SPEAKERS, WE ALL KNOW WHO THEY ARE.

I MEAN, WE KNOW ALMOST ALL THESE PEOPLE BY NAME.

THERE'S THE ONE OR TWO HERE OR THERE.

I JUST DON'T SEE THIS AS BEING A BIG PROBLEM.

AND I DON'T THINK IT'S BIG ENOUGH FOR ME TO BE A HINDRANCE TO PEOPLE THAT MIGHT ACTUALLY COME AND SPEAK UNLESS THEY KNOW THEY'RE GOING TO BE CALLED OUT, THAT THEY DON'T LIVE IN THE DISTRICT AND THEY MIGHT HAVE KIDS IN THE DISTRICT, AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO EXPLAIN THAT OFF.

I HAVE TO BRING A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE AND.

CAN WE JUST MOVE ON? IT'S 11:17.

I THINK WE HAVE CONSENSUS FROM THAT WE WANT THIS.

I KNOW THAT YOU GUYS ARE OPPOSED TO IT, BUT THE REST OF US ARE OKAY WITH IT.

SO LET'S MOVE ON BECAUSE IT'S 11:17 AND WE'RE TALKING TO THESE THINGS TO DEATH.

LIKE IT'S JUST ON AND ON AND ON.

OKAY, GOT IT.

WE'LL MOVE ON. WE DO HAVE CONSENSUS TO LEAVING IT, CALLING IT OUT.

THE SECOND THING IN PUBLIC, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ADDRESSING THE BOARD.

I'VE HAD AT LEAST TWO OF YOU ASK ABOUT POLICY PROCEDURES REGARDING VIRTUAL SPEAKERS.

AND WE DON'T HAVE THAT IN OUR POLICY ON VIRTUAL SPEAKERS AND WHETHER WE'RE REQUIRING CAMERAS, NOT REQUIRING CAMERAS, REQUIRING THEM TO RECORD THEIR COMMENTS AHEAD OF TIME.

SO THAT'S GOING TO BE A WHOLE ANOTHER I KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT OF A DISCUSSION, BUT WE AS A BOARD NEED TO NAIL THAT DOWN BECAUSE WE CURRENTLY HAVE NO POLICY ABOUT IT. IT CAME OUT BECAUSE OF COVID.

SO THEY'RE OFF TO THE RACES.

GO. I WANT THEM TO RECORD THEIR THINGS BEFOREHAND SO THAT WE CAN JUST SO WE DON'T HAVE ALL THIS BACK AND FORTH, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU, OH DO WE, IT JUST TAKES FOREVER.

SO DO IT LIKE AISD, RECORD IT BEFOREHAND.

THEY GET THEIR 2 MINUTES MOVING ON.

YEAH, IT'S JUST AN AUDIO RECORDING AND THEY, I THINK THEY LEAVE A VOICEMAIL.

SO IF WE DID THAT, THEN VIRTUAL SPEAKERS WOULD ALWAYS BE GIVEN 2 MINUTES, EVEN IF WE LIMIT SPEAKERS WHO COME IN PERSON BECAUSE WE CAN'T SAY THAT A VIRTUAL SPEAKER IS GIVEN 2 MINUTES AND THEY LEAVE THEIR VOICEMAIL OR WHATEVER.

AND THEN WE GET HERE AND IN PERSON, SPEAKERS ONLY GET 90 SECONDS.

SO THAT WILL HAVE TO BE DELINEATED IN POLICY IF THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO DO.

AND WE ALSO SOMETIMES REMOVE AGENDA ITEMS. SO THEN WE'D BE IN THE BUSINESS OF NOT PLAYING SOME THAT PEOPLE HAD LEFT.

IF IT'S ON THE AGENDA, THEY CAN STILL SPEAK TO IT.

EVEN THAT HAPPENED AT OUR LAST BOARD MEETING THAT MAY 18TH BECAUSE I REMOVED THREE ITEMS, BUT IT WAS ON THE POSTED AGENDA.

SO THEY'RE ALLOWED TO STILL TALK ABOUT IT.

I DON'T I MEAN, I'D BE INTERESTED WHAT YOU GUYS THINK.

I THINK FOR ME, MY ISSUE WITH THE VIRTUAL SPEAKERS, WHICH I ACTUALLY THINK IS A GOOD THING, I'M GLAD, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY I USE TO HAVE SMALL CHILDREN, I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE GOING TO OUR BOARD MEETINGS WHEN MY KIDS WERE YOUNG.

SO THIS MAKES IT SO MUCH MORE ACCESSIBLE.

AND THEN YOU TALK ABOUT ALL KINDS OF CHALLENGES THAT PEOPLE HAVE, WHETHER IT'S HANDICAP OR EMPLOYMENT CHALLENGES.

SO I'M ALL FOR THE VIRTUAL SPEAKERS.

BUT MY ASK OF MY COLLEAGUES IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN FOR OVER 100 YEARS WE HAD PUBLIC COMMENT IN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, WE HAD TO COME IN PERSON AND SHOW YOUR FACE.

I DO BELIEVE THAT IF YOU WANT TO ADDRESS YOUR GOVERNMENT, IF YOU WANT TO BE ANONYMOUS, SEND AN EMAIL.

BUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPEAK IN A PUBLIC MEETING, I BELIEVE THE CAMERA NEEDS TO BE TURNED ON.

I BELIEVE THAT NEEDS TO BE IN OUR POLICY.

I AGREE WITH THAT. AND IT KIND OF GOES BACK TO THE PREVIOUS CONVERSATION OF KNOWING WHO, BECAUSE WE GET TO KNOW WHEN PEOPLE COME AND YOU CAN SEE THEIR FACE, THEN WE GET TO KNOW WHO THEY ARE. SO IF I SEE THEM OUT AND ABOUT, I CAN BE LIKE, OH, YOU WERE ON PUBLIC COMMENT.

SO IT GOES TO KIND OF THE [INAUDIBLE] DISCUSSION OF LIKE KNOWING OUR COMMUNITY AND KNOWING THAT THESE PEOPLE ARE IN OUR COMMUNITY.

AND IF THEY DON'T SHOW THEIR FACE, THEY CAN ACTUALLY SPEAK MULTIPLE TIMES.

YEAH, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT MAKING THAT A REQUIREMENT JUST BECAUSE THERE COULD BE RELIGIOUS REASONS SOMEBODY HAS THEIR FACE COVERED, MEDICAL REASONS, OTHER THINGS. SO, I MEAN, I THINK WE NEED TO BE REALLY.

THEY JUST HAVE TO HAVE THEIR CAMERA ON.

JUST THEIR CAMERA. YEAH, YOU JUST HAVE TO.

WELL, YOU HAVE TO HAVE YOUR CAMERA ON.

YOU HAVE TO BE THERE LIKE YOU CAN'T HAVE YOUR CAMERA ON AND BE OFF CAMERA.

BUT YEAH, I MEAN, THEY CAN HAVE ANY KIND OF RELIGIOUS DRESS OR I MEAN, OR SOMEBODY MAY NOT HAVE THE, YOU KNOW, THEY MAY NOT HAVE A CAMERA ON THEIR COMPUTER.

I MEAN, IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE GOING TO POTENTIALLY CREATE SOME ISSUES BY REQUIRING THAT I WAS GOING TO SAY THE ONLY THING IS FOR OUR STUDENTS TOO THERE MAY BE SOME PARENTS THAT DON'T NECESSARILY WANT THEIR STUDENT TO BE ON CAMERA AND BE VIDEOTAPED.

AND I WOULDN'T WANT TO DENY A STUDENT AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK IF THEY WERE AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL KID AND THEIR MOM WASN'T COMFORTABLE BROADCASTING THEIR NAME AND THEIR LIKENESS.

ACTUALLY, I THINK EVERY CHILD WHO'S EVER SPOKEN.

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THERE HAVE BEEN SOME THAT HAVEN'T.

I JUST THINK WE HAVE TO BE REALLY CAREFUL WHEN WE START GETTING REALLY SPECIFIC ON RULES .

BECAUSE IF YOU'RE JUST SAYING THEIR CAMERA HAS TO BE ON, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GOING TO GET SOMEBODY WHO'S GOING TO TURN THEIR CAMERA ON AND THEY'RE GOING TO POINT IT AT THEIR TV SCREEN WITH. I MEAN, WELL, THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING, THEIR CAMERA HAS TO BE ON AND THAT YOU HAVE TO BE YOUR FACE HAS TO BE.

IN FACT, THERE ARE BY THE WAY, I DID GO LOOK AT THIS EVEN DURING COVID.

I MEAN, THERE WERE RULES.

THIS IS ACTUALLY A COMMON RULE IN SCHOOL DISTRICTS SO THAT PEOPLE ARE GUARANTEED THAT THE DISTRICT KNOWS WHO IS ADDRESSING THEM, BECAUSE IT ACTUALLY IS I MEAN, IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WHY PEOPLE HAVE TO COME HERE AND IT'S WHY BEFORE COVID, YOU WEREN'T ALLOWED TO DO OR THEY DIDN'T HAVE VIRTUAL BECAUSE YOU ACTUALLY AND EVEN WITH CHILDREN I KNOW IT'S HARD BUT TO ADDRESS YOUR GOVERNMENT YOU ACTUALLY HAD TO GO AND BE IN FRONT OF THEM AND SHOW WHO YOU ARE.

BECAUSE WE COULD GET PEOPLE THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF OUR I MEAN, YOU REALLY HAVE NO IDEA WHO THESE PEOPLE ARE.

LIKE, IF THEY ACTUALLY HAVE TO COME HERE, THEN THEY HAD TO DRIVE FROM DALLAS OR WHEREVER.

BUT I MEAN, VIRTUALLY WE COULD HAVE SOMEBODY TRYING TO INFLUENCE US THAT SAYS THEY'RE IN OUR DISTRICT AND THEY'RE IN OREGON.

THAT'S TRUE FOR IN-PERSON AS WELL.

WELL, BUT AN IN PERSON, I SEE WHO THEY ARE.

BUT YOU DON'T KNOW EVERYBODY THAT LIVES IN THE DISTRICT.

YOU KNOW WHAT? ACTUALLY, IT'S REALLY INTERESTING BECAUSE IN THIS GROUP, THEY ACTUALLY VET EACH OTHER.

SO THEY ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, LOTS OF TIMES THEY WILL ASK LIKE, OH, YOU'RE FROM DALLAS, LIKE AND I'VE HEARD AFTERWARDS, LIKE, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T KNOW WHO THIS PERSON WAS.

AND, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THEIR STORY.

AND IT'S LIKE, OH, THAT'S REALLY.

SO ACTUALLY I DO GET TO KNOW OUR AUDIENCE AND WHO COMES.

AND SO ACTUALLY I DO LIKE IT'S PART OF GETTING TO KNOW YOUR COMMUNITY AND THAT'S WHY I THINK IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO HAVE THE CAMERAS ON.

IF THERE'S A CONSENSUS FOR THAT, I DO PROBABLY WANNA DO A LITTLE BIT MORE RESEARCH JUST TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T RUN INTO ANY ISSUES.

IF THERE'S NOT A CONSENSUS, THEN THERE'S NO REASON TO DO THE RESEARCH THOUGH.

I JUST WAS GOING TO SAY WE'RE ONE OF THE ONLY DISTRICTS, TO MY KNOWLEDGE THAT'S STILL ALLOWING VIRTUAL SPEAKERS MOST ENDED THAT WITH COVID.

SO JUST I MEAN BUT USUALLY IT'S AN ALL OR NOTHING THING LIKE EITHER EVERYBODY ALLOWS THEM REGARDLESS OF CAMERA OR THEY DON'T ALLOW THEM AT ALL, WHICH AGAIN, MOST DO NOT.

WHICH I UNDERSTAND THE BENEFITS OF THAT THAT YOU ALL HAVE DISCUSSED.

I LIKE THE PRERECORDED IDEA.

I MEAN, IT JUST GETS AWAY FROM ALL TECHNOLOGY ISSUES.

WHAT HAPPENS IF SOMEBODY SIGNS UP AND LEGALLY SIGNS UP AND THEN THEY HAVE TECHNOLOGY ISSUES AND THEIR CAMERA ISN'T WORKING? ARE WE GOING TO DENY THEM? DO WE HAVE THE LEGAL RIGHT TO DENY THEM IF THEY SIGNED UP IN THE REQUIRED TIME FRAME? AND SORRY, THEIR CAMERA IS NOT WORKING NOW? I DON'T KNOW LEGALLY IF WE CAN DO THAT AND I JUST THINK IT I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THAT LEGALLY.

I'D RATHER DO RECORDED COMMENTS, PLAY THEM AND GET OUR FEEDBACK AND MOVE ON.

BUT THAT'S JUST ME.

I'M HAPPY WITH JUST RECORDING COMMENTS, BUT I AGREE.

I MEAN, I'VE HAD TIMES WHEN ESPECIALLY IF THERE'S A LOT OF INTERNET USAGE WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU GET THAT LOW WHATEVER AND YOU'VE GOT TO GO TO A BLANK SCREEN JUST TO KIND OF KEEP LOGGED ON TO THAT MEETING.

I MEAN. I THINK I ACTUALLY HAD THAT THE ONE TIME WHEN I HAD TO BE VIRTUAL AT THE HOTEL.

I HAD TO GO DARK SCREEN A COUPLE OF TIMES BECAUSE THE HOTEL WAS HAVING A HARD TIME.

SO I WOULD EITHER BE FOR JUST LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS, OR IF WE WANTED TO SWITCH TO WHERE THEY CALL IN, LIKE AISD DOES, THAT'S FINE AS WELL.

TRUSTEE XIAO. SO THE PROBLEM YOU MENTIONED BEFORE ABOUT THE LIMIT CHANGING FOR 2 MINUTES TO ONE MINUTE, DOES AISD HAVE SOME PROTOCOL TO DEAL WITH THAT? NO. JUST PLAY AS 2 MINUTES.

I THINK IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO A RECORDING THAT IT'S GOING TO BE A STANDARD AMOUNT OF TIME AND WE'RE ONLY GOING TO BE ABLE TO LIMIT BECAUSE I MEAN, OR WE WOULD JUST CUT OFF THE END OF SOMEBODY'S VOICEMAIL AND THAT WOULD BE TOO MUCH TO MANAGE FOR TECHNOLOGY BECAUSE THEY'D HAVE TO HAVE A WINDOW.

PRESIDENT FELLER.

IS THERE A POSSIBLE LEGAL ISSUE WITH THAT WHERE WE GIVE SOME MEMBERS 2 MINUTES AND SOME MEMBERS? WE'VE DONE THAT ALREADY WITH STUDENTS GETTING FULL 2 MINUTES AND ADULTS GETTING THEM 90 SECONDS.

WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WE WON'T RUN INTO ANY ISSUES IF WE'RE LOOKING AT POSSIBLY CHANGING THAT, LIKE YOU SAID DURING THE MEETING OR SOMETHING.

CAN I RECOMMEND THAT YOU GUYS WORK ON DRAFTING A POLICY ABOUT VIRTUAL SPEAKERS AND BRINGING IT BACK TO US? AND THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT.

DO THE RESEARCH ON IT, KIND OF MAYBE LOOK AT OTHER DISTRICTS THAT MAY ALREADY HAVE EXISTING POLICY.

SECOND.

HEY, OK. OKAY, MOVING ON.

THOSE WERE THE TWO THINGS [INAUDIBLE] TO GO BACK TO.

NOW WE ARE ON WE'RE STILL ON PAGE 12.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WE'RE GOING OVER BOARD SANCTIONS, RIGHT? YES, WE ARE ON THAT PAGE.

OKAY. WE'VE ALREADY HAD ADVICE FROM VALERIE THAT WE NEED TO ADJUST THAT BECAUSE IT IS A LITTLE UNCLEAR

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IT SAYS THE BOARD MAY CHOOSE TO POST AN ITEM FOR DISCUSSION ON AN UPCOMING BOARD AGENDA.

THE BOARD POLICIES DEFER THAT PROCESS TO THE BOARD PRESIDENT, BUT IT'S NOT CLEAR.

SO WE NEED TO CLARIFY THAT LINE FOR SURE.

THIS IS RELATED TO AN EXISTING POLICY, OR IS THIS ONLY IN BOARD OPERATING PROCEDURES? YEAH IT'S ONLY AND ALSO I DO THINK THE BOARD STEPS HAS BECOME CONFUSING, DIFFICULT AND TRACKING AS WE'VE SEEN AND DISCUSSED RECENTLY.

SO THAT'S ANOTHER THING YOU MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER.

I THINK LEWISVILLE ISD HAS JUST LIKE A PARAGRAPH ON CENSURE LANGUAGE AND IT'S PRETTY SIMPLE.

I WAS TRYING TO FIND IT TO GO OVER IT WITH YOU GUYS JUST AS AN EXAMPLE THAT ANOTHER DISTRICT HAS WITHOUT ALL THE STEPS.

I'D REALLY LIKE TO SEE THAT CLARIFIED AND MADE VERY SIMPLE AND DIRECT.

THE LEWISVILLE ISD.

WHICH IS A SUBURB OUTSIDE OF DALLAS.

IF Y'ALL DON'T KNOW.

THAT ONE IS JUST ENTITLED CENSURE OF A BOARD MEMBER, YOU CAN CALL IT SANCTION OR WHEREVER YOU'D LIKE TO ENTITLE IT.

BUT THERE'S THAT'S WHAT IT'S ENTITLED.

AND IT JUST SAYS IF A BOARD MEMBER ACTS IN A MANNER THAT IS UNBECOMING OF A MEMBER AND DISRUPTIVE TO THE BUSINESS OF THE DISTRICT, THE BOARD CAN PASS A RESOLUTION TO CENSURE THAT BOARD MEMBER. THIS WOULD CONSIST OF A COMMONLY WORDED STATEMENT IDENTIFYING THE FOLLOWING.

THAT KIND OF SOUNDS SIMILAR TO Y'ALL'S ABOUT THE COMMONLY WORDED STATEMENT, THE INAPPROPRIATE BEHAVIOR OF THE NAMED BOARD MEMBER, THE DESIRED BEHAVIOR, AND A STATEMENT OF AGREEMENT BY A MAJORITY OF THE BOARD MEMBERS THAT THE BEHAVIOR IS INAPPROPRIATE.

RESOLUTIONS ARE NON-BINDING, BUT THEY HAVE THE EFFECT OF PUBLICLY DISCIPLINING A COLLEAGUE SINCE REMOVAL FROM OFFICE IS RARE.

THE BOARD MAY CHOOSE TO WITHHOLD FINANCIAL RESOURCES FROM THE OFFENDING BOARD MEMBER.

EXAMPLES MIGHT BE DISALLOWANCE OF REIMBURSEMENT FOR ATTENDANCE AT CONVENTION SEMINARS OR OTHER DISTRICT TRAVEL.

UNDER EXTREME CONDITIONS THE BOARD MAY AGREE TO ASK THE OFFENDING MEMBER TO RESIGN.

HOWEVER, BOARD MEMBER MAY ONLY BE REMOVED FROM OFFICE FOR INCOMPETENCY, OFFICIAL MISCONDUCT, INTOXICATION OR CONVICTION OF A FELONY.

AND THOSE ARE STATUTORY.

THAT'S WHAT MOST BOARDS HAVE IT'S PRETTY STANDARD.

I'D PREFER TO GO WITH STANDARD LANGUAGE VERSUS THIS IS SO CONVOLUTED AND YEAH.

YEAH, I THINK I LIKE THE STANDARD LANGUAGE AND THAT'S WHY, LIKE THE TWO TRUSTEES GETTING SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA THAT WAS STANDARD LANGUAGE.

SO I THINK I WOULD LOVE TO GO BACK TO TASB AND JUST USE STANDARD LANGUAGE.

I DO KNOW THE HISTORY OF THIS, THOUGH, JUST SO YOU ALL KNOW, IS THAT IN THE PAST ON THIS BOARD YOU GET INTO IF YOU WANT TO CENSURE A TRUSTEE MULTIPLE TIMES, THEN THIS GAVE THEM STEPS.

AND THAT WAS THE PROCESS IS THAT THEY WERE TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO, I GUESS, GET THE BEHAVIOR.

[INAUDIBLE] I MEAN, GET THE BEHAVIOR THAT THEY WANTED FROM THE TRUSTEES AND HAVE AN OPEN CONVERSATION INSTEAD OF JUST TAKING A TRUSTEE AND KEEP CENSURING THEM.

SO. IT WAS INTERESTING BECAUSE I SEARCHED OUT LIKE WHY THIS CHANGED.

AND I MEAN, SO IT HAS SOME HISTORY THAT IS ACTUALLY GOOD BECAUSE THIS BOARD DOES SEEM TO LIKE TO USE THE CENSURE PROCESS A LOT.

SO IT GIVES YOU STEPS.

DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS OF USING THE LEWISVILLE POLICY? CAN WE MOVE ON? YES, I WOULD LIKE TO USE THE TASB POLICY, ACTUALLY.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF TASB HAS SOMETHING.

WELL, LEWISVILLE SAYS BBC LEGAL AND BBF LOCAL IS WHERE THEY'RE GETTING THEIRS FROM.

WE CAN LOOK TO SEE. I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S IN MOST DISTRICTS POLICY.

I THINK THIS IS MORE JUST AN OPERATING PROCEDURE WE CAN DOUBLE CHECK.

AND JUST ONE QUICK NOTE ON THE LEWISVILLE POLICY AS WELL.

BASED ON THE HOUSTON COMMUNITY COLLEGE CASE, WE MAY WANT TO CARVE OUT THE FINANCIAL PIECE OF THAT AND JUST REVISIT THAT IN LIGHT OF THAT RECENT DECISION AS WELL.

I THINK, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, THE SUPREME COURT [INAUDIBLE] DISTINGUISH BETWEEN A CENSURE AND THEN A CENSURE WITH SOME ADDITIONAL KIND OF PUNISHMENTS ON THERE, INCLUDING FINANCIAL. SO WE'LL JUST LOOK AT THAT BECAUSE I DON'T THINK LEWISVILLE HAS UPDATED THEIRS SINCE THAT DECISION CAME OUT.

WE'LL ALSO LOOK TO SEE IF TASB HAS ANYTHING.

WE LOOK WHEN I MET WITH A COUPLE OF TRUSTEES THE FIRST TIME TO TALK ABOUT CHANGES TO THIS.

AND WE LOOKED AT A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT DISTRICT POLICIES AND LEWISVILLE WAS BY MORE CONSISTENT WITH OTHER DISTRICTS THAN WHAT OUR CURRENT VERSION IS.

SO I MEAN, AGAIN, WE CAN IF SOMEBODY ELSE HAS ANOTHER POLICY THAT THEY WANT US TO LOOK AT, WE CERTAINLY CAN.

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I'M SORRY, CAN YOU TELL ME MORE ABOUT THIS? YOU MET WITH SOME TRUSTEES OFFLINE AND YOU WENT OVER SPECIFICALLY BOARD SANCTION PROCESS.

WHO DID YOU MEET WITH AND WHEN? WE MET WITH THE THREE TRUSTEES WHO SHOWED UP FOR OUR APRIL 25TH MEETING TO DISCUSS THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR BOARD OPERATING PROCEDURES.

SO YOU MET WITH WHO? CORY, TIFFANY AND ME.

AND WE TALKED.

WE DID THE WHOLE BOARD OPERATING PROCEDURE.

WE TALKED ABOUT THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS, JUST WHAT WE WERE GOING TO BRING TO THE TABLE THAT DAY WHEN WE DIDN'T HAVE QUORUM.

WE WERE THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT SHOWED UP SO WE COULDN'T HAVE A MEETING.

AND YOU GUYS DECIDED THAT YOU LIKED LEWISVILLE ISD? WELL, THAT INFORMATION WAS SENT TO ALL THE TRUSTEES.

I MEAN, ALL THE TRUSTEES RECEIVED AN EMAIL SAYING, HEY, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHO CAME UP WITH THAT.

IT WAS ME. OK WAS THAT TRUSTEE VESSA RECOMMENDS WE USE THIS AS A MODEL, SO THAT WAS SENT TO EVERYONE IN ADVANCE OF THE APRIL 25TH MEETING.

OKAY, SO I SENSE AN EAGERNESS TO REMOVE DUE PROCESS HURDLES HERE TO MAKE IT REALLY EASY TO CENSURE A TRUSTEE.

THAT'S NOT MY MOTIVATION.

MY MOTIVATION IS THAT I THINK IT'S SO CONVOLUTED THAT IT'S UNCLEAR WHO'S ON WHAT STEP, WHEN.

I MEAN, IF WE WANTED TO KEEP THE FOUR STEP PROCESS, I THINK IT WOULD NEED TO BE LIKE AND AFTER STEP TWO IT IS MEMORIALIZED IN THIS WAY AND AFTER STEP THREE BECAUSE RIGHT NOW I THINK THIS LEAVES SO MUCH TO INTERPRETATION THAT IT'S SCARY.

RIGHT.

AND I THINK IT'S PRETTY SCARY AS WELL, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE I THINK THAT IT'S BEEN ABUSED.

AND I SAY THAT AS SOMEBODY WHO LEARNED, I GUESS, YESTERDAY, THAT SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO PUTTING MY NAME ON THE AGENDA FOR I THINK, WHAT ARE WE ON THE FIFTH OR SIXTH OR SEVENTH TIME? SO I GUESS THAT I THINK FOR THOSE WATCHING AT HOME, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S COMING ONCE THIS PROCESS IS STREAMLINED AND AGAIN, THIS GOES BACK TO WHAT WE SHOULD BE SPENDING OUR TIME ON.

I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT I DID NOT INTENTIONALLY NOBODY TOLD ME TO LOOK AT LEWISVILLE ISD.

I INTENTIONALLY PULLED DIFFERENT SCHOOL DISTRICT.

BOARD, I CAN'T EVEN THINK IT'S SO LATE.

I'M TIRED. I PULLED DIFFERENT SCHOOL DISTRICT BOARD POLICIES, OPERATING PROCEDURES.

I JUST DID SOME SEARCHES AND I WAS LIKE, WHO'S GOT OTHER BOARD OPERATING PROCEDURES? DID YOU I ALSO PULLED GARLAND.

I ALSO PULLED I CAN'T EVEN REMEMBER NOW, BUT I PULLED LIKE THREE DIFFERENT ONES.

SO I WAS WISE TO RUN FOR A BOARD SEAT IF THEY DON'T HAVE A MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO NOT GO DOWN THIS CENSURE RABBIT HOLE, IT'S GOING TO BE THIS DAIS IS GOING TO BE A DANGEROUS PLACE TO BE FOR ANYBODY WHO'S IN THE MINORITY.

VALERIE ONE REQUEST THAT I WOULD HAVE IS, CAN YOU OR MR. WOOLSTON I DON'T KNOW WHICH OF THE TWO OF YOU.

SOMETIMES I GET CONFUSED HERE ON WHO I SHOULD BE ASKING FOR WHAT.

BUT THERE'S GOT TO BE SOMETHING OUT THERE ABOUT A THRESHOLD FOR CENSURE, BECAUSE IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SUBJECTIVE THINGS, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE WE HAD A TRUSTEE TONIGHT WHO VERY CLEARLY VIOLATED BOARD POLICY ON ETHICS WITH OUTBURSTS AND PERSONAL ATTACKS RIGHT HERE IN OPEN MEETING. BUT MAYBE SOMEBODY ELSE DOESN'T FEEL THAT THAT IS.

AND WE'VE GOT ALL OF THESE CENSURE REQUESTS FOR CENSURE OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER TO THE POINT IT'S LIKE RIDICULOUS.

AND IT ALL COMES DOWN BECAUSE.

WELL, I DON'T LIKE THAT YOU DID THIS OR I DON'T LIKE THAT YOU DID THAT.

WELL, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SEVEN PEOPLE AND WE'RE ALL GOING TO DO THINGS DIFFERENT.

SO I GUESS WHAT I WOULD LOOK FORWARD TO IF CHANGING THIS IS A PRIORITY, WHAT ARE THE THRESHOLDS FOR THESE THINGS? YOU KNOW, IS IT GETTING A DUI OR IS IT POPPING OFF? I PERSONALLY THINK THE THRESHOLD IS VERY CLEAR.

IT SAYS COMPLY WITH BOARD OPERATING PROCEDURES, BOARD POLICY AND OTHER BEST PRACTICES TO SERVE THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE DISTRICT.

AND I THINK THAT THAT'S THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS IS LIKE I THINK THERE'S THIS PERCEPTION THAT THERE'S PLEASURE IN SANCTIONING SOMEONE.

I PERSONALLY DON'T FIND IT PLEASURABLE.

IT'S STRESSFUL AND IT'S AWFUL.

BUT IF THERE'S BEEN A VIOLATION THAT NECESSITATES IT, THEN WE NEED TO RUN THE DUE PROCESS.

ALL SEVEN OF US HAVE VIOLATED A BOARD POLICY.

WELL THEN PUT IT ON AND SEE IF IT'S THAT'S IF YOU FEEL LIKE SOMETHING SO EGREGIOUS HAS HAPPENED.

I MEAN, THERE ARE MINOR VIOLATIONS OF BOARD OPERATING PROCEDURES EVERY SINGLE MEETING. EVERY SINGLE MEETING.

EXACTLY. BUT PERSONALLY, IF I'M GOING TO PUT SOMETHING ON FOR SANCTION, IT'S THAT THERE'S BEEN AN EGREGIOUS VIOLATION.

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WELL, AGAIN, THE REASON THAT THE ONE THING THAT IS ACTUALLY MISSING IN THIS AND I HAD IT ON MY FRONT PAGE, BUT WE STARTED GOING IN PAGE BY PAGE IS THAT THERE'S NO MENTION OF THE OATH OF OFFICE THAT WE TAKE.

THERE'S A LOT OF MENTION OF THINGS LIKE BEST INTERESTS OF THE DISTRICT, BEST INTERESTS OF THE DISTRICT APPEARS NOWHERE IN THE STATUTES THAT APPLY TO SCHOOL DISTRICTS.

AND THE REASON IS BECAUSE THAT MEANS DIFFERENT THINGS TO DIFFERENT PEOPLE.

AND ULTIMATELY, IT'S UP TO THE VOTERS TO DECIDE WHAT THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE DISTRICT ARE.

IS BUILDING ANOTHER ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE DISTRICT? I MAY THINK IT IS. YOU MAY THINK IT'S NOT.

THAT DOESN'T MAKE ONE OF US RIGHT OR WRONG.

IT'S A JUDGMENT CALL.

I WOULD BE REALLY AMENABLE BECAUSE I THINK THAT YOU RAISE A GOOD POINT TO ADDING VERY CONCRETE THINGS TO THIS.

SO BOARD OPERATING PROCEDURES, LOCAL AND LEGAL POLICY AND THE OATH OF OFFICE LIKE THINGS THAT YOU COULD GO AND SEE.

YES. YES.

NO. BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE THAT, YOU KNOW, NOBODY SHOULD BE SANCTIONED BECAUSE OH I DON'T LIKE YOU.

RIGHT. THAT'S NOT A SANCTIONABLE OFFENSE OR.

YEAH. SO I AGREE.

LET'S JUST HAVE VERY CONCRETE THINGS.

BUT I THINK BOARD OPERATING PROCEDURES AND BOARD POLICY ARE THERE.

BUT I THINK THAT WE COULD CONSIDER ADDING THE OATH OF OFFICE.

OKAY. IS IT REASONABLE TO ASK VALERIE TO HELP US UNDERSTAND WHAT THRESHOLDS SHOULD BE OR WHAT THRESHOLDS ARE STANDARD FOR THE SANCTION PROCESS? I THINK WE ALL PROBABLY KNOW WHAT HAPPENED UP IN MCKINNEY YESTERDAY WHEN THEY WENT THROUGH THIS.

SO THERE ARE RECORDS OF THIS BEING DONE.

SO I THINK THAT WE NEED SOME CLARITY ON THE THRESHOLD FOR IT.

BUT I DO APPRECIATE THE SUPPORT TIFFANIE FOR ADDING THE OATH OF OFFICE TO THE BOARD OPERATING PROCEDURES.

I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY WHAT TRUSTEE WESTON SAID.

SHE SAID THAT IF YOU ARE A MINORITY IN A BOARD, YOU WILL GET SANCTIONED.

THAT'S ABSOLUTELY WRONG.

THAT'S ABSOLUTELY MISINFORMATION.

IT'S NOT ABOUT WHETHER YOU AGREE WITH BUILDING AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL OR NOT.

THAT'S JUST OPINION.

OKAY. YOU GOT SENSITIVE BECAUSE OF THE ACTIONS.

THAT IS WHAT IT MATTERS.

AND YOU WILL TALK ABOUT WHETHER I DISRESPECT YOU.

YES, I ABSOLUTELY.

YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS SANCTION STUFF.

SO, YES, I ABSOLUTELY DISRESPECT YOU BECAUSE YOU SAY ALWAYS SAY ONE THING AND DO THE EXACT OPPOSITE.

BOARD OPERATING PROCEDURES.

BOARD OPERATING PROCEDURES.

I WOULD ALSO WE ARE NOT GOING TO GO ON PERSONAL ATTACKS ON THE DAIS.

SO I'M. BOARD OPERATING PROCEDURES.

SO I CANNOT CRITICIZE ANOTHER TRUSTEE? NO. EVEN IF I STATE IT AS A FACT.

WE DON'T NEED THAT ON THE DAIS.

YOU CAN'T DISPUTE THE FACT. WE DON'T NEED THAT ON THE DAIS.

SO I CANNOT SAY MY OPINION? IF IT'S RELATED TO THE AGENDA ITEM.

STATE YOUR OPINION ALL DAY LONG, PLEASE.

CRITICIZING EACH OTHER IS NOT BENEFICIAL FOR ANYONE.

SO THERE'S NO CRITICISM EVEN OTHER TRUSTEES WHAT THEY SAID IS A LIE, MISINFORMATION.

I CANNOT CORRECT THAT? YOU CAN CORRECT IF YOU HAVE FACTS, BUT ATTACKING EACH OTHER DOES NOT HELP ANYONE.

IT DOESN'T HELP ANYONE.

IT DOES NOT FURTHER THIS DISTRICT ALONG IN ANY WAY.

BUT I WOULD JUST KEEP THOSE MISINFORMATION, THOSE LIES FLYING.

IF YOU HAVE FACTS THAT YOU NEED TO REPRESENT AND NEED TO BRING OUT, GO FOR IT.

BUT MAKING PERSONAL ATTACKS ON ANYONE AND THIS I'M LOOKING AT YOU BECAUSE YOU ASKED ME THE QUESTION, BUT I'M ADDRESSING THIS TO EVERY SINGLE PERSON ON THIS DAIS.

PERSONAL ATTACKS HAVE NO PLACE ON THIS DAIS.

SO WHEN I CORRECT THAT TRUSTEE WESTON SAID, IF YOU ARE A MINORITY, YOU GET CENSORED.

THAT'S ABSOLUTELY WRONG.

SO THAT'S MISINFORMATION.

THAT'S CORRECT. BEING IN THE MINORITY ON THIS BOARD DOES NOT MEAN CENSURE.

BUT THEN WHEN YOU GO INTO IT, INTO A PERSONAL ATTACK AFTER THAT, THAT'S WHERE IT KIND OF CROSSES THE LINE, IN MY OPINION.

IN MY OPINION TRUSTEE XIAO.

BUT I'M JUST STATING THE FACT.

I'M STATING THE FACT, WHAT I SEE, WHY I CRITICIZE TRUSTEE WESTON.

WHY I DISRESPECT HER.

I JUST STATED THE REASON.

RIGHT. I THINK EVERYBODY DESERVES THEIR OPINIONS, AS TRUSTEE WESTON SAID.

SHE MAY VIEW THIS DIFFERENTLY THAN I VIEW IT BECAUSE I JUST CANNOT STAND THOSE THINGS WHEN YOU SAY ONE THING AND YOU DO EXACT OPPOSITE.

[04:30:08]

THAT'S MY PERSONAL DRAWBACK.

MAYBE YOU CAN SAY THAT'S MY SHORTCOMING OR DRAWBACK, I CANNOT STAND.

OKAY. I'M JUST TRYING TO KEEP THINGS AS PROFESSIONAL AND AS BUSINESS ORIENTED AS WE CAN ON THIS DAIS.

SO IF WE CAN ALL WORK TOWARDS THAT, IT WOULD BE GREAT.

I HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS.

I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO ADD.

IF WE'RE GOING TO IF WE DO GET RID OF THE STEPS, THEN I WOULD ADD THAT A TRUSTEE CAN ONLY BE CENSURED ONCE DURING THEIR TIME BECAUSE THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF CENSURE, YOU'VE GOT TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT WHAT THE PURPOSE OF CENSURE IS.

THE PURPOSE OF CENSURE IF YOU READ IT, VALERIE, AT THE END, IT SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT IT'S FOR YOU TO PUBLICLY REPRIMAND YOUR COLLEAGUE.

I THINK SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WE CAN'T GET EACH OTHER OFF THE BOARD UNLESS WE DO SOMETHING ILLEGAL OR YOU GAVE THE STATUTES.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHY BOARDS I WOULD NOT WANT TO BE ON A BOARD.

I MEAN, IF YOU HAVE A TRUSTEE, THAT'S A WILD CARD.

CENSURE THEM ONCE, MAKE THE STATEMENT AND MOVE ON IF YOU'RE GOING TO GET RID OF THE STEPS.

I THINK THE STEPS WERE IN LIEU OF HAVING A TRUSTEE THAT WAS A WILD CARD THAT YOU WERE TRYING TO KIND OF REIN IN.

IF WE'RE NOT INTERESTED IN REINING IN A TRUSTEE, THAT'S A WILD CARD.

I WOULD JUST I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT YOU CENSURE THEM ONCE AND THEN YOU MOVE ON AND QUIT USING DISTRICT RESOURCES TO DEAL WITH THE WILD CARD TRUSTEES BECAUSE WE'RE ALL ELECTED.

AND THEN SINCE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT FACTS, I WOULDN'T DEMONSTRATE THE FACT OF ON THIS SEVEN PERSON BOARD, IF YOU ARE IN THE POLITICAL MINORITY, YOU ARE CENSURED. THAT IS A FACT.

I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THE POLITICAL MINORITY COMMENT BECAUSE WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE A NONPARTISAN BOARD NUMBER ONE.

THERE'S ONLY ONE TRUSTEE THAT SAID K ONE AND K TWO.

AND HE IS NOT. YEAH, HE'S IN THE GENDER MINORITY BUT HE'S NOT.

THAT JUST REALLY TROUBLES ME.

I NEVER VOTE ON A POLITICAL LINE.

I DON'T BELONG TO ANY POLITICAL PARTY.

IT'S ONLY IF YOU ARE OBSESSED WITH POLITICS.

YOU SEE EVERYTHING AS POLITICS.

THAT IS ABSOLUTELY THE TRUTH.

I'M GOING TO SAY POINT OF ORDER.

I UNDERSTAND. I UNDERSTAND.

SPEAKING TO THE TRUTH.

I THINK WE CAN SPEAK IT.

I HAVE ANOTHER THING JUST ON MY MIND.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE SANCTIONS.

SHE WAS TALKING. IT'S JUST MY POINT OF ORDER WAS THAT WE WERE GETTING OFF TOPIC.

BUT THE CENSURE, YOU'RE GOING BACK.

CAN I RECOMMEND THAT VALERIE BRING BACK A POLICY KIND OF IF YOU CAN SUMMARIZE THIS DISCUSSION IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM, BRING BACK SOMETHING FOR US TO REVIEW? IS THAT POSSIBLE? CAN I JUST ADD ONE QUICK, QUICK, QUICK THING AND I.

NO YOU MAY NOT MOVING ON.

[LAUGHTER] I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, I DO LIKE HOW WE HAVE IN OURS THAT WE WILL HAVE THE CLOSED SESSION FIRST TO DISCUSS THE CONCERNS WITH THE TRUSTEE.

IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE INFORMAL PROCESS THAT WE HAVE IN THE GRIEVANCE PROCESS.

SO THAT'S NOT IN THE LEWISVILLE ONE.

AND I THINK THAT IF WE ARE GOING TO TRY TO KEEP THINGS CIVIL, THAT WE SHOULD KEEP AT LEAST THAT STEP.

I LIKE THAT BECAUSE IT'S LIKE IF YOU COULD SETTLE IT OUTSIDE OF COURT, IT'S KIND OF LIKE MEDIATION AS THE FIRST STEP, WHICH I THINK IS A GOOD PRACTICE.

I JUST WANT MY COLLEAGUES KNOW I'M PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE TO LEAVE.

I'M GOING TO TRY TO STICK IT OUT.

BUT I HAVE AN IMMENSE, IMMENSE HEADACHE, ALMOST MIGRAINE.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE COULD SPEED IT UP, BUT I'M GOING TO HAVE TO SLIP OUT I'M TRYING TO HANG IN THERE.

SO WE'VE AT LEAST HAVE A PLAN MOVING FORWARD ON THE SANCTION PROCESS.

WE'RE ON PAGE 14.

THERE'S ONLY ONE SMALL CHANGE.

WHERE DID THAT CHANGE COME FROM? WHEN I READ IT, I HAD TO READ IT LIKE TWO OR THREE TIMES.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT EITHER.

I'M GLAD I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE.

LIKE IF THE BOARD PRESIDENT GOES ROGUE.

YES. IF THE BOARD PRESIDENT GOES ROGUE, THEN YOU TAKE OVER.

I THINK THAT'S REALLY I DON'T KNOW.

I MEAN, WE CAN LEAVE IT IN. I DON'T WANT TO DEBATE IT, BUT I JUST.

IS THIS TYPICAL LANGUAGE OR? I DON'T REMEMBER I'LL SAY WE TRIED TO MAKE THESE CHANGES AFTER SOME OF THOSE CHANGES WERE RECOMMENDED.

IF YOU ALL WANT TO TAKE IT. I CAN'T REMEMBER WHERE IT CAME FROM, BUT IF YOU WANT TO TAKE IT OUT.

IT DOESN'T REALLY I SAY TAKE IT OUT BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.

YEAH, I WOULD JUST TAKE IT OUT.

MOVING ON. THEY CAN'T DO GOT IT. ALL RIGHT.

BOARD REORG IS WHERE WE ARE AND WELL, WE'RE ON EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT, BUT THAT IS JUST FORMATTING CHANGES.

BOARD REORG THERE IS THE EXCEPTION WILL BE MADE FOR A SECRETARY WITH A GRADUATING SENIOR.

[04:35:06]

THE ONLY THING ON THIS ONE IS E.

I MEAN, IT USUALLY IS DECEMBER AND I HAVE THAT ON HERE TOO, BUT E M G.

YEAH, I MEAN, WE'VE HAD IT HAPPEN BOTH WAYS.

SO IN 2018, WHEN THREE OF US WERE ELECTED, WE ACTUALLY IT WAS DECEMBER WE'RE ON PAGE 17, BUT THEN WHEN THE OTHER FOUR WERE ELECTED, WE ACTUALLY HAD TO DO IT IN NOVEMBER BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN THE VOTES WERE CANVASED.

SO I THINK WE NEED TO JUST SAY AFTER ELECTED OR APPOINTED BOARD MEMBERS ARE SWORN IN, WE JUST TAKE OUT THAT BOARD MEETING.

YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST AT THAT BOARD MEETING, WHICHEVER ONE IT IS, IT'S THE ONE THAT THEY'RE SWORN IN AT THAT YOU DO THE YOU HAVE THE REORG. YOU COULD JUST SAY AT THE NEXT.

AT THE FIRST BOARD MEETING FOLLOWING.

BUT THEN YOU'VE GOT TO DO IT ON THE NON-ELECTION YEARS.

WHAT'S YOUR POLICY GOING TO BE? I THINK IT SHOULD BE AT THE DECEMBER REGULAR BOARD MEETING OR THE FIRST MEETING FOLLOWING SWEARING IN OF TRUSTEES, WHATEVER HAPPENS FIRST.

I DON'T THINK YOU WANT TO USE THE WORD FOLLOWING BECAUSE THAT IMPLIES THE NEXT MEETING.

SO IT IS THE MEETING THEY ARE SWORN IN.

OK. THE MEETING THAT THEY'RE SWORN IN OR THE DECEMBER REGULAR BOARD MEETING, WHATEVER HAPPENS FIRST.

BECAUSE I HAVE THAT ON MY AGENDA, I MEAN, ON MY LIST OF CHANGES, BECAUSE THAT IS NOT CONSISTENT RIGHT NOW.

WHICH I MEAN, IT JUST SAYS IN ADDITION TO THE REQUIRED POST ELECTION ORGANIZATION, THE BOARD MAY ALSO ORGANIZE IT AT OTHER TIMES.

SO.

I THINK THE LOCAL POLICY SAYS BOARD OFFICERS SHALL BE ELECTED ANNUALLY IN DECEMBER.

AND THIS PAST ELECTION, WE DID IT IN IN NOVEMBER IN 2020.

BUT IN 2021, WE ELECTED OFFICERS IN DECEMBER.

SO IT'S NOT CONSISTENT.

IT WAS JUST THE CANVASING OF THE VOTES.

AND I THINK IT'LL HAPPEN AGAIN BECAUSE THE ELECTION IS SO EARLY IN NOVEMBER AND JUST DEPENDS ON, THE FIRST, LIKE YOU SAID AFTER AN ELECTION YEAR THE FIRST AVAILABLE MEETING.

OTHERWISE IN DECEMBER.

YEAH. THE MEETING THEY'RE SWORN IN BECAUSE.

OKAY. YEAH. BECAUSE THAT'S THE OTHER PROBLEM IS PART OF THE REASON WE WERE SWORN IN, IN DECEMBER INSTEAD OF NOVEMBER IS BECAUSE WILLIAMSON COUNTY HAD A PROBLEM.

[INAUDIBLE] CANVASING THE VOTES.

SO ACTUALLY WE WERE ELECTED ON NOVEMBER THE 6TH, WHICH WAS REALLY EARLY IT WAS EARLY, BUT THEY HAD A PROBLEM, REMEMBER, AND THEY COULDN'T CANVASS THE VOTES.

AND SO THEY THAT HAPPENED AND IT WAS THANKSGIVING BREAK AND IT WAS AFTER IT WAS LIKE THE 23RD.

I STILL HAVE THE CANVASING THING ON MY BULLETIN BOARD.

IT WAS BEFORE THANKSGIVING.

BUT ANYWAY.

JUST. IT WAS AFTER THE REGULAR MEETING.

WE WERE SWORN IN. ANYWAY IT DOESN'T MATTER.

SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, IT'S THE MEETING THAT NEW TRUSTEES ARE SWORN IN OR DECEMBER, IF IT'S NOT, OKAY.

YEP. ARE Y'ALL COOL WITH THAT? JUST TO MAKE CONSISTENCY PURPOSES.

OK NEXT IS GETTING AWAY FROM ALL OF OUR BOARD OPERATING PROCEDURES ABOUT BOARD COMMITTEES.

JUST TAKING IT OUT OF.

WE'RE NOT GETTING RID OF THE POLICY.

BECAUSE WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT LEGAL POLICY RIGHT.

IT'S JUST TAKING IT OUT OF BOARD OPERATING PROCEDURES.

OKAY. BECAUSE WE'VE DECIDED.

ON THE SUPERINTENDENT EVALUATION, WE'RE NOW ON PAGE 21.

WE NEED TO ADD IN THAT THE LONE STAR GOVERNANCE EVALUATION TOOL WILL BE USED.

IT'S IN E 21, PAGE 21, SECTION E IT SAYS IN COMPLIANCE WITH TEXAS EDUCATION CODE, THE BOARD SHALL PREPARE A WRITTEN EVALUATION FOR THE SUPERINTENDENT.

AND THEN THE MAYBE IT'S NOT E.

I HAVE E. IT'S IN F THOUGH RIGHT, WHERE WE'RE GOING TO USE IT SAYS USE EITHER THE COMMISSIONERS RECOMMENDED? MAYBE WE ALREADY HAVE IF IT'S LSG THE LSG CRITERIA.

SORRY, IT'S IN SECTION F ON PAGE 22.

WE NEED TO PUT THE LSG EVALUATION TOOL.

AND FOR EVALUATIONS, I WOULD ALSO RECOMMEND THAT WE UPDATE IT BECAUSE YOU HAVE TWO EMPLOYEES NOW.

JUST TO ADD RAQUEL OH YEAH.

GOOD IDEA. REFERENCE IT AT LEAST.

CAN YOU ADD THAT IN THERE AND BRING IT BACK FOR US PLEASE? YEAH. AND THEN ON THE BOARD SELF EVAL, WHICH IS ALSO ON PAGE 22, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING THAT QUARTERLY INSTEAD OF ANNUALLY FOR LONE STAR GOVERNANCE.

ALL RIGHT SAY THAT AGAIN. PAGE 22 BOARD SELF EVALUATION.

IT SAYS THE BOARD SHALL ANNUALLY CONDUCT A SELF-EVALUATION.

WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING THAT QUARTERLY, ACCORDING TO LONE STAR GOVERNANCE.

[04:40:10]

UNDER COMMUNICATIONS, THERE IS A REALLY OLD IT'S ALREADY STRUCK OUT ON PAGE 28.

BUT WE'RE STARTING ON PAGE 26.

SORRY, COMMUNICATIONS, GBBA LOCAL.

SO I'LL JUST SAY, LIKE, I HAVE A LOT TO SAY ABOUT THIS AND IT'S ALMOST MIDNIGHT, SO.

I MEAN, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? DO YOU WANT TO BE HERE FOR ANOTHER? LONG TIME. I MEAN, I'M WILLING.

ON THE COMMUNICATION SECTION? ON PAGE 26.

INDIVIDUAL TRUSTEE REQUESTS FOR INFORMATION OR REPORT.

I THINK THIS COULD TAKE A WHILE.

AND SO I'M JUST TRYING TO BE RESPECTFUL.

I FEEL LIKE IT'S KIND OF THE LAST BIG SECTION.

IF WE CAN GO THROUGH THAT, THEN I THINK WE MIGHT HAVE MADE IT THROUGH ALL OF BOP.

SO IF I'M THINKING MAYBE.

CAN WE TAKE A BREAK? YEAH, YEAH. LET'S TAKE A TEN MINUTE RECESS, AND THEN WE WILL NOT GO ANY LATER THAN 12:40.

AND IF WE'RE NOT DONE BY 12:40, WE'LL RECESS AND WE'LL ADJOURN THE MEETING AND WE'LL.

YEAH, I'M HOPING WE CAN BE EFFICIENT IN OUR DISCUSSIONS.

IT IS 11:53.

WE ARE IN A TEN MINUTE RECESS.

IT IS 12:03.

THAT WAS 10 MINUTES.

WE ARE BACK IN SESSION AND WE ARE STARTING ON PAGE 26 COMMUNICATIONS GBBA LOCAL.

TRUSTEE WESTON. YEAH.

THIS WOULD PROBABLY BE IN MY TOP THREE CONCERNS SINCE I'VE BEEN ELECTED.

WE HAVE AN ISSUE GOING ON RIGHT NOW WHERE THERE SEEMS TO BE SOME CONFUSION ON THE LAW.

EVEN FROM OUR ATTORNEYS.

SO WHAT SECTION ARE YOU SPECIFICALLY LOOKING AT? 26. WHAT? LETTER A.

AND WHAT PART? TRUSTEES ARE ENTITLED TO THE INFORMATION THEY REQUIRE TO MAKE INFORMED DECISIONS ON THE MATTERS BEFORE THEM.

WHAT NUMBER? LETTER A AT THE TOP.

IT'S PAGE 26.

OH, THE REQUEST FOR INFORMATION.

SORRY, I THOUGHT WE WERE DOWN AT COMMUNICATIONS.

YES. SO DID YOU HAVE A CHANGE YOU WANTED TO [INAUDIBLE]? NO, I JUST.

THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS THAT WE'RE NOT DOING THAT ARE NOT HAPPENING.

SO ANYWAY.

YEAH. I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT THIS IS NOT BEING FOLLOWED.

AND SO I'M WONDERING WHY IT'S EVEN IN HERE.

OKAY. SO DO WE HAVE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS FOR CHANGES OR ANYTHING ON PAGE 26? CAN WE JUST MAYBE ADD A CITATION OF CHAPTER 11? I THINK IT'S .551 OR NOT 11.

15.12.

ACTUALLY, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I HAD ON ON MY FRONT PAGE, WHICH IS AS MANY REFERENCES TO THE LAW AS POSSIBLE.

YEAH, I KNOW. AND I AGREE.

I MEAN, IT'S NOT THERE.

AND ALSO WHAT'S NOT THERE IS THE OTHER PORTION OF THAT STATUTE THAT MAY BE THE CONFUSING PART YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, BECAUSE GENERALLY THE LAW DOES STATE THE DISTRICT SHALL PROVIDE INFORMATION, DOCUMENTS AND RECORDS TO THE MEMBER, AS IT SAYS THERE, WITHOUT REGARD TO WHETHER THE REQUESTED ITEMS ARE SUBJECT OR RELATED.

EXCUSE ME TO AN ITEM LISTED ON AN AGENDA FOR AN UPCOMING MEETING.

BUT THE OTHER PART OF THAT LAW IS THAT THE DISTRICT MAY WITHHOLD AND MAYBE THIS IS BECAUSE THIS WAS NEW OR STATUTORY LANGUAGE, IT WAS ADDED AND THESE ARE MAYBE A LITTLE BIT OLDER, BUT THE DISTRICT MAY WITHHOLD OR REDACT A DOCUMENT OR A RECORD REQUESTED BY A MEMBER OF THE BOARD TO THE EXTENT THAT THE ITEM IS ACCEPTED FROM DISCLOSURE OR IS CONFIDENTIAL UNDER THE PUBLIC INFORMATION ACT OR OTHER LAW.

SO THAT'S THE OTHER PIECE THAT'S MISSING FROM HERE.

I THINK I DIDN'T SEE IT.

CAN YOU MAKE THOSE CHANGES AND BRING THAT? DIDN'T WE SAY WE DON'T WANT TO INCLUDE IF IT'S ALREADY IN POLICY, WE DON'T WANT TO JUST MIRROR POLICY? I MEAN. I'M FINE WITH PUTTING IT IN THERE.

BUT. DANIELLE WAS JUST ASKING FOR THE LAW, I THINK, TO BE STATED YEAH, BRING THAT POLICY BACK TO US

[04:45:01]

OKAY. SO NOW WE'RE DOWN TO COMMUNICATIONS MIDDLE HALF OF PAGE 26.

ACTUALLY, I THINK WHAT THE PART D OF THAT IS ALSO NOT DONE, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT TRUSTEE WESTON IS SAYING, IS THAT WE HAVE ALL THIS BOARD POLICY, BUT WE DON'T FOLLOW IT. INFORMATION REQUESTED BY A TRUSTEE SHALL BE PROVIDED TO ALL BOARD MEMBERS ALONG WITH THE REQUESTS.

SO IS THAT SOMETHING WE WANT TO KEEP? DO WE WANT TO DELETE THAT? BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S HAPPENING.

OKAY. SO WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT CHANGES TO POLICY TONIGHT.

RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING ARE YOU WANTING TO CHANGE THIS POLICY? WELL, IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO FOLLOW IT, IT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED.

SO, YES, IT IS A NEEDED CHANGE.

SO EITHER ARE WE GOING TO FOLLOW IT OR ARE WE GOING TO DELETE IT? AND WHAT LIKE, WHAT EVIDENCE ARE YOU PROVIDING THAT WE'RE NOT FOLLOWING IT? I'M JUST I'M KIND OF CONFUSED.

BECAUSE I'VE SEEN REQUESTS OF INFORMATION BY TRUSTEES.

CORY'S MENTIONED NUMEROUS DATA STUFF THAT SHE GETS THAT IS NOT PROVIDED TO ALL TRUSTEES.

AND SO THIS SAYS INFORMATION REQUESTED BY A TRUSTEE SHALL BE PROVIDED TO SHALL.

DO YOU HAVE LIKE A SPECIFIC EXAMPLE? BECAUSE SHE'S SAYING NO.

AND I MEAN, I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.

I DIDN'T KNOW THAT. NO, BUT I CAN BRING YOU A LIST, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE NEEDING.

I CAN GO BACK AND BRING YOU A LIST.

I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY CAN THINK OF ANYTHING OFFHAND.

SO.

YEAH, IF YOU HAVE IT, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

JUST SO WE CAN FOR ACCOUNTABILITY PURPOSES, IF YOU HAVE EXAMPLES SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE ALL TRUSTEES ARE GETTING THE SAME INFORMATION.

ABSOLUTELY. YEAH, THAT WOULD BE GOOD.

YEAH. YEAH.

OKAY. SO DO WE HAVE ANY.

I'M JUST SAYING, ARE WE WE HOLDING TO THIS? SO WE ARE GOING TO FOLLOW THIS? YES. YOU HAD SOME REQUESTS IN THAT ARE RATHER LENGTHY.

ARE WE GOING TO GET ALL OF THOSE? WE SHOULD. I MEAN, I'M TALKING POTENTIALLY THOUSANDS OF PAGES BUT WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT.

I MEAN, LIKE SPECIFICS.

I'M JUST THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T BRING SPECIFICS TO TALK ABOUT TONIGHT, BECAUSE I JUST.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WELL, THEN THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW.

I APPRECIATE THAT THIS WILL STAY.

I LOOK FORWARD TO RECEIVING ALL INFORMATION.

OKAY. SO NOW WE'RE TO THE MIDDLE PART ON COMMUNICATIONS GBBA LOCAL PAGE 26.

NOTHING IS THIS NEW.

I'M SORRY. SAY THAT AGAIN.

IS THIS NEW? I BELIEVE THE ONLY CHANGES WE'RE ADDING.

ON 27. ON PAGE 27.

IS THAT CORRECT, MR. WOOLSTON? YES.

THERE'S A FEW REFERENCES LIKE COMMUNICATIONS AND COMMUNITY RELATIONS DEPARTMENT.

THE LOCAL POLICY, I THINK, SAYS PRINCIPAL OR DESIGNEE.

SO THERE'S A FEW AREAS WHERE OPERATING PROCEDURES ARE INCONSISTENT WITH THE LOCAL POLICY GBAA.

OKAY. WHEN I LOOK AT THIS, IT ALL MAKES SENSE TO ME.

SO I DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING.

AGAIN, I THINK THIS MIGHT HAVE JUST BEEN SOME CHANGES, AGAIN, TO ALIGN POLICY AND OPERATING PROCEDURES.

SO ANY QUESTIONS OR SUGGESTIONS FOR PAGE 28? OH, YOU SAID 28.

YEAH, I SAID.

OKAY. I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT 27.

WHAT NUMBER? WHAT LETTER? LETTER D AS IN DOG COMMUNICATIONS BY EMAIL.

SECOND PARAGRAPH IT SAYS THAT EMAIL COMMUNICATIONS RECEIVED BY ALL TRUSTEES SHALL BE ACKNOWLEDGED TO THE SENDER BY THE BOARD PRESIDENT WITHIN 48 HOURS OR BY THE VICE PRESIDENT OR A DESIGNEE.

AGAIN, THIS IS NOT HAPPENING, SO I THINK.

BECAUSE I'M NOT I DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IN THIS ROLE HAS THE CAPACITY TO RESPOND TO EVERY SINGLE EMAIL THAT COMES IN.

SO I WOULD JUST SAY, STRIKE IT.

I'M FINE WITH THAT TOO.

SO WE'RE STRIKING THE WHOLE PARAGRAPH? YEAH, STRIKE THE.

YEAH, I THINK SO.

THE ONE THAT STARTS WITH EMAIL COMMUNICATIONS RECEIVED BY? YES. YES.

AND THEN MY OTHER CONCERN IS THE NEXT PARAGRAPH.

TRUSTEES WHO RECEIVE EMAIL COMMUNICATIONS AND CHOOSE TO RESPOND IN WRITING SHALL REMIND THE SENDER THAT THE TRUSTEE IS RESPONDING ONLY AS AN INDIVIDUAL AND NOT ON BEHALF OF THE ENTIRE BOARD OF TRUSTEES.

NONE OF US ARE DOING THIS.

I MEAN. SO I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT'S THERE.

I ACTUALLY THINK THAT MIGHT BE IMPORTANT? BECAUSE I THINK THE COMMUNITY MIGHT GET CONFUSED.

YOU KNOW, I THINK MAYBE WE COULD BE PROVIDED LANGUAGE THAT WE ACTUALLY PUT THAT'S STANDARD THAT GOES OUT WITH ALL OF OUR EMAILS.

IT'S BASICALLY A FOOTER THAT'S ADDED TO ALL OF OUR EMAILS.

IT'S A DISCLAIMER.

AND I THINK THE DISCLAIMER I THINK WE SHOULD ALL ADD THE DISCLAIMER THAT'S PROVIDED TO US .

AND THAT CAN AUTO POPULATE?

[04:50:02]

YEAH, I'M FINE WITH THAT.

SO MAYBE WE JUST PUT THAT IN HERE AND SAYS THAT THERE'LL BE A DISCLAIMER THAT'S PROVIDED TO TRUSTEES BY THE BOARD AND IT'LL.

DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS. SHAKE YOUR HEAD.

CONSENSUS? GREAT.

ANYTHING ELSE ON 27 OR 28.

YEAH. AT THE TOP OF 28, ALL RESPONSES TO ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATIONS SHALL BE COPIED TO THE SUPERINTENDENT AND THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF COMMUNICATIONS AND COMMUNITY RELATIONS.

I DON'T COPY THE SUPERINTENDENT AND THE DIRECTOR OF COMMS ON MY EMAILS UNLESS IT'S A RELEVANT TOPIC TO THEM.

YEAH. I'M FINE DELETING THAT WHOLE PARAGRAPH TOO.

THANK YOU. AND THEN.

DO I HAVE CONSENSUS ON THAT? SORRY WE'RE JUST TWO PEOPLE.

YEAH, IT'S FINE.

YEP. OKAY. AND WE'VE ALREADY GOT THE EXAMPLE AUTO REPLIED WHITED OUT OR RED LINED THROUGH.

SORRY. AND THEN AT THE BOTTOM.

LOOKS LIKE NEW LETTER F AS IN FRANK AGAIN STILL ON PAGE 28.

BOARD COMMUNICATION WITH LEGAL COUNSEL.

YES, I HAVE REAL CONCERNS ABOUT THE SECOND PARAGRAPH IF AN INVESTIGATION OF A TRUSTEE BECOMES NECESSARY.

[INAUDIBLE] I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO HAVE SOME LEGAL REFERENCES IN HERE ABOUT WHERE THE AUTHORITY TO INVESTIGATE A TRUSTEE COMES FROM, WHERE IT'S DERIVED.

I MEAN, IT'S KIND OF LIKE ANYTHING WE DO, ANYTHING A TEACHER DOES, ANYTHING THIS LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER DOES, EVERYTHING THAT THEY DO ALL OF THE AUTHORITY THEY POSSESS IS ROOTED IN SOMETHING.

IT'S DERIVED FROM SOMEWHERE.

SO IF WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT HIRING AND DOING AN INVESTIGATION AND PAYING AN OUTSIDE ATTORNEY, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE THE AUTHORITY TO DO THAT COMES FROM.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE, VALERIE? YEAH, IT WOULD ONLY COME FROM THE BOARD.

YEAH, I THINK IT'S BY BOARD ACTION.

BUT WE CAN FIND SOME WELL, THE BOARD'S AUTHORITY.

SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THE BOARD'S AUTHORITY.

SO THE THINGS THAT THE BOARD HAS THE AUTHORITY TO DO IS DERIVED IN STATUTES.

IT'S NOT JUST BECAUSE THE BOARD EXISTS AND THE BOARD, WE COULD SAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO EXCLUDE, YOU KNOW CHILDREN WHO DON'T COME FROM TWO PARENT HOUSEHOLDS, FROM A PARTICULAR ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

WE COULD DO THAT.

THAT'S NOT LEGAL BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE LEGAL AUTHORITY TO DO THAT.

SO WE NEED, NOT ONLY THIS BOARD, BUT FUTURE BOARDS.

THANK YOU FOR NODDING, VALERIE.

WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THEIR AUTHORITY TO USE TAX DOLLARS TO INVESTIGATE ELECTED OFFICIALS COMES FROM? TRUSTEES ARE NOT EMPLOYEES.

WE CAN INVESTIGATE EMPLOYEES ALL DAY LONG.

WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO THAT AS IN THE STATUTE.

I THINK WE NEED A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF THIS.

AND I THINK THAT THE LAW SHOULD BE REFERENCED HERE.

WELL, I WOULD BE AMENABLE TO ADDING IF AN INVESTIGATION OF A TRUSTEE BECOMES NECESSARY BY BOARD ACTION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BECAUSE THE BOARD, IF THE BOARD DEEMS NECESSARY THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE AN INVESTIGATION, THEN WE HAVE THE POWER TO DO THAT.

WE ARE THE BOARD.

THAT IS THE AUTHORITY GRANTED TO US.

NO, MA'AM.

NO. ARE YOU SAYING IT BECAUSE REALLY, THE ONLY TIME WE SHOULD BE INVESTIGATING, RIGHT, IS IF WE BELIEVE THERE'S AN ILLEGAL ACTION THAT'S TAKEN PLACE.

IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE WANTING? IS TO ADD SOMETHING ABOUT? SO EVERY ACTION THAT THIS BOARD OR ANYBODY TAKES IN THEIR OFFICIAL CAPACITY, THE AUTHORITY TO DO THAT IS DERIVED SOMEWHERE.

SO IF WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING THINGS LIKE USING TAX DOLLARS TO PAY AN INVESTIGATOR TO INVESTIGATE A TRUSTEE, I THINK WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHERE OUR AUTHORITY TO DO THAT IS DERIVED.

AND I THINK THAT SHOULD BE SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED HERE.

I AGREE BY BOARD ACTION.

FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE PROTECTING THE DISTRICT IS MOST OF THE TIME.

OKAY. WELL, WHATEVER, THE ATTORNEY WOULD RECOMMEND.

BUT WE NEED TO HAVE A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING AND IT'S NOT JUST BOARD.

CORY, I JUST GAVE AN EXAMPLE OF WHERE THE BOARD, WE COULD SAY, WELL, WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS, BUT WE HAVE NO AUTHORITY TO DO THAT.

JUST BECAUSE THE BOARD WANTS TO DO SOMETHING DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE BOARD HAS THE AUTHORITY TO DO THAT.

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WHAT HAPPENED WAS THERE WAS THERE BEHAVIOR THAT WAS GOING TO ENDANGER, YOU KNOW.

THE FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITIES WE HAVE FOR THE DISTRICT.

DID THEIR BEHAVIOR PUT THE DISTRICT AT RISK? RIGHT. BUT THE PROBLEM IS THAT YOU CANNOT USE TAX DOLLARS TO GO ON A FISHING EXPEDITION TO FIND OUT IF SOMETHING HAPPENED.

NOW, IF SOMETHING COMES TO THE ATTENTION OF THE BOARD, IF SOMEBODY COMES AND SAYS, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE TRUSTEE SMITH DID SUCH AND SUCH, YOU KNOW, I'VE YOU KNOW, THAT COST ME $5,000 OR HERE'S SOME HARM.

SOMEBODY SHOWS UP WITH SOME HARM.

THEN, OF COURSE.

YES. YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT SOMEBODY CLAIMING THAT THERE'S BEEN HARM HERE.

AND SO WE NEED TO INVESTIGATE.

BUT ASIDE FROM THAT, YOU CANNOT USE TAX DOLLARS TO GO ON A FISHING EXPEDITION.

IS THIS THE ONLY PLACE THAT WE KNOW OF THAT WE TALK ABOUT AN INVESTIGATION OF A TRUSTEE? IS IT IN POLICY OR IS IT JUST THIS BOARD OPERATING PROCEDURE? BECAUSE I SEE WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT.

YOU'RE SAYING IF AN INVESTIGATION OF A TRUSTEE BECOMES NECESSARY AND AS THAT BECOMES NECESSARY, THAT YOU WANT SOMETHING.

WHERE IS THAT ROOTED? RIGHT. BECAUSE OF EXACTLY WHY TRUSTEE VESSA JUST SAID BECAUSE WE COULD GET OURSELVES INTO LEGAL.

SURE COULD. RIGHT.

SO YOU'RE JUST SAYING THAT WE SHOULD CLARIFY THIS BECOMES NECESSARY.

AND WHAT WOULD MAKE IT BECOME NECESSARY? AND MAYBE WE SHOULD CLARIFY THAT A LITTLE BIT.

VALERIE, CAN YOU AND JACOB WORK ON CLARIFICATION ON THAT? I THINK THERE'S SOME OTHER LANGUAGE IN BECAUSE THIS IS REFERENCING BDD LOCAL, BECAUSE THIS LANGUAGE APPEARS TO BE BEFORE WE HAD IN-HOUSE ATTORNEYS AS WELL. SO WE MIGHT JUST WANT TO CLEAN THAT UP JUST A LITTLE BIT AND THEN WE CAN PROVIDE SOME CITATION ON THAT AUTHORITY PER TRUSTEE WESTON'S REQUEST.

IF WE'RE DONE WITH THAT DISCUSSION, I HAVE SOMETHING ON 30.

SAY IT AGAIN? IF WE'RE DONE WITH THAT DISCUSSION, I HAVE SOMETHING ON 30.

I ACTUALLY HAVE SOMETHING ON 29.

OKAY, I'LL WAIT.

BEFORE WE GET THERE.

ARE WE FINISHED WITH PAGE 28? OKAY. PAGE 29 INQUIRIES COMPLAINTS TO THE BOARD.

ANYBODY. I HAVE SOMETHING BUT DOES ANYBODY ELSE? I ALWAYS TRY TO ALLOW. WELL, ACTUALLY, I DO HAVE SOMETHING ON THAT BECAUSE ONE OF THE SPEAKERS CAME TONIGHT AND MENTIONED THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY SENT AN ISSUE TO THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES. AND IT DIDN'T APPEAR THAT AND I'VE NOTICED THIS.

IT USED TO BE THAT THE ADMINISTRATION RESPONDED TO THOSE BECAUSE THEY WERE ON THOSE.

BUT, LIKE, I DON'T.

LIKE IF THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES EMAIL GETS A COMPLAINT OR A WINDOWS BROKEN.

I DON'T REPLY TO THAT PERSON BECAUSE I ASSUME THE ADMINISTRATION IS TAKING CARE OF THAT, BECAUSE THAT'S HOW WHEN I FIRST GOT ON THE BOARD, THAT'S HOW IT WAS BEING TAKEN CARE OF.

BUT THAT'S NOT HAPPENING ANYMORE.

AND I OBVIOUSLY I'M NOT FORWARDING IT OR RESPONDING.

SO THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY THING.

YEAH, IT'S HAPPENING. WE GOT THE RESPONSES TODAY.

WE GOT FOUR RESPONSES TODAY.

WELL, THAT'S WHAT I MEAN.

BUT IT HASN'T BEEN CONSISTENTLY HAPPENING.

I DID SEE THAT THAT DID HAPPEN TODAY.

BUT THERE HAVE BEEN OTHER ONES.

BUT I'M JUST WONDERING, I HAD JUST NOTICED THAT AND I CAN QUANTIFY THAT BECAUSE I CAN GO BACK TO THE BOARD, I CAN GO BACK TO THE BOARD EMAILS AND THAT IS QUANTIFIABLE.

BUT I HAD WONDERED WHY THAT WASN'T HAPPENING, BECAUSE IT USED TO BE VERY QUICKLY AND OBVIOUSLY IT SLOWED DOWN.

SO I JUST I WOULD LIKE TO TO UNDERSTAND.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE FOLLOWING THAT STILL.

I'VE NEVER SEEN THEM NOT REPLY.

I THINK IT'S DIFFERENT OF IT BEING SLOWER THAN IT HAPPENING NOT AT ALL.

I JUST FOR THE RECORD, DON'T WANT TO ASSERT THAT IT'S NOT HAPPENING AT ALL IF THAT'S NOT TRUE.

I DID HAVE A THING ON B.

IT SAYS ALL COMPLAINTS.

THAT'S MINE. OH, OKAY.

YEAH. [LAUGHTER] PAGE 29 B SECOND PARAGRAPH.

ALL COMPLAINTS SHALL BEGIN NO HIGHER THAN LEVEL TWO, EVEN WHEN THE CONCERN OR COMPLAINT DIRECTLY PERTAINS TO THE BOARD'S OWN ACTIONS OR POLICY THAT NEEDS TO BE STRUCK.

DO WE WANT TO CLARIFY THAT IF IT'S AGAINST A TRUSTEE, IT WOULD GO STRAIGHT TO LEVEL THREE OR WE JUST WANT TO STRIKE THE LANGUAGE? I HONESTLY, I THINK WE NEED A POLICY ABOUT COMPLAINTS AGAINST TRUSTEES BECAUSE REALLY, DGBA.

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SO I THINK THAT WE NEED A SEPARATE POLICY SPECIFICALLY FOR COMPLAINTS AGAINST TRUSTEES.

I AGREE WITH THAT. AND I THINK IT WOULD BE WISE FOR US TO JUST CHECK WITH TASB.

AND I THINK THIS IS KIND OF A NEW ERA THAT WE HAVEN'T SEEN IN DECADES BEFORE.

AS A PRACTICING SCHOOL LAWYER FOR A COUPLE OF DECADES, WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF COMPLAINTS NOW THAT ARE GOING TO STRAIGHT TO THE BOARD.

SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE CHECK WITH THEM ON ANY SUGGESTED LANGUAGE.

THE OTHER ONE THAT I HAD.

YEP. I THINK THAT'S IT FOR INQUIRIES AND COMPLAINTS.

ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING IN THAT SECTION? WE ARE ALMOST THERE, Y'ALL.

18 MINUTES IS WHAT I SAID.

WE'VE GOT FOUR PAGES TO GO.

I THINK WE CAN DO IT.

PAGE 30.

OKAY I HUNG IN THERE AND I'M GOING TO GO HOME AFTER THIS BECAUSE I DON'T FEEL WELL.

BUT H WHEN WE STRUCK, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'VE DONE, BUT I'M WONDERING IF IT'S SOMETHING WE MIGHT CONSIDER DOING PER OUR DISCUSSION OF SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS HERE, IT'S STRUCK BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T DONE IT.

EACH YEAR BEFORE THE BEGINNING OF THE SCHOOL YEAR, THE BOARD PRESIDENT, SUPERINTENDENT WILL ASSIGN A BOARD MEMBER TO EACH LEARNING COMMUNITY.

IS THAT SOMETHING WE MIGHT CONSIDER DOING IN THE FUTURE? AND WHY HASN'T IT BEEN DONE? Y'ALL DON'T WANT TO DO IT? I ACTUALLY WOULD BE FOR IT.

THEY THINK THERE IS ONE.

I ACTUALLY THINK AND I'VE HEARD ACTUALLY GOOD THINGS.

I'VE TALKED TO PAST TRUSTEES, ACTUALLY, MULTIPLE PAST TRUSTEES THAT ACTUALLY DID THIS.

AND AND I HEARD GOOD FEEDBACK.

WHAT DID THAT LOOK LIKE, THOUGH? WHAT DID IT LOOK LIKE? SO YOU WEREN'T NECESSARILY ASSIGNED TO LIKE YOUR FEEDER PATTERN, BUT YOU WERE ASSIGNED TO A FEEDER PATTERN.

AND I DON'T THINK THE PRESIDENT IS.

AND I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE THEY KNEW THE VICE PRESIDENT.

MAYBE IT WAS THE OFFICERS, BUT.

YEAH. IS THAT RIGHT? SO EVERYBODY WAS ASSIGNED TO A FEEDER PATTERN.

AND THEN THAT BECAME LIKE YOUR HIGH SCHOOL.

SO IT KIND OF LIKE WHEN THEY WERE DOING SENIOR AWARDS, IT'S LIKE WHEN ALL SEVEN OF US ARE EXPECTED.

IT'S THE WHOLE IT'S A PSYCHOLOGICAL THING, RIGHT? WHEN SEVEN OF US ARE INVITED, SOMETIMES NOBODY SHOWS UP OR ALL SEVEN OF US.

BUT IN THIS SENSE, LIKE IF YOU'RE THE DEDICATED TO THAT HIGH SCHOOL, YOU WOULD MAKE SURE THAT YOU SHOWED UP TO SENIOR AWARDS NIGHT, THAT YOU SHOWED UP TO ALL THOSE SIGN THINGS THAT THEY WERE INVITING US TO.

SO YOU WOULD BE THE ONE THAT WOULD MAKE SURE THAT THERE WAS A BOARD REPRESENTATIVE AT ALL THESE DIFFERENT EVENTS.

SO I'M AND PATTY, DO YOU WANT TO I MEAN, THAT'S HOW IT WAS KIND OF EXPLAINED TO ME THAT YOU.

YES I DON'T LIKE TO BE ON CAMERA, BUT I WILL SPEAK TO THIS.

SORRY. SINCE I THINK I'M THE ONLY ONE HERE THAT'S BEEN HERE LONG ENOUGH IN CASE YOU DON'T KNOW, THIS IS OUR WONDERFUL PATTY AGUILERA, WHO IS THE EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT FOR THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES.

[APPLAUSE] SHE IS AMAZING.

I THINK THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IN THE THREE YEARS ON THE BOARD THAT YOU HAVE BEEN ON CAMERA AND I AM THRILLED.

GO AHEAD. YOU HAVE THE MICROPHONE.

SO WE DID DIVIDE THE DISTRICT BETWEEN ALL SEVEN TRUSTEES AND IT WASN'T REALLY BY FEEDER PATTERN BECAUSE AT THAT TIME WE REALLY DIDN'T HAVE THE LEARNING COMMUNITIES THE WAY WE HAVE THEM SET UP NOW.

AND SO WE WOULD ROTATE EVERY YEAR SO THAT EVERY BOARD MEMBER, WHILE YOU WERE ON THE BOARD, YOU WOULD SERVE ALL HOPEFULLY ALL THE CAMPUSES, BUT WE WOULD DO THAT IN ADMINISTRATION.

AND SO EACH BOARD MEMBER WOULD HAVE ABOUT 10 CAMPUSES OR 11 CAMPUSES, DEPENDING ON HOW MANY CAMPUSES WE HAD AT THE TIME.

BUT THAT'S HOW WE USED TO DO.

WE WOULD ROTATE EVERY YEAR.

AND THEY WERE INVITED, RIGHT? THAT ONE BOARD MEMBER, I MEAN, ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS CAN GO, BUT IT WAS REALLY THAT ONE BOARD MEMBER WAS KIND OF DEDICATED TO GOING TO ALL THE DIFFERENT EVENTS THAT WE'RE INVITED TO THAT IS REALLY OVERWHELMING WITH AS MANY.

I COULD GET BEHIND SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAT ROTATED BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO SAY THE ONLY WAY I REALLY COULD GET BEHIND SOMETHING LIKE THIS, IS IF IT WAS NOT YOUR ATTENDANCE AREA THAT YOU LIVED IN. LIKE I THINK THAT THE PURPOSES OF BEING ASSIGNED TO ANOTHER AREA IS TO GET TO KNOW THE DISTRICT BETTER AND TO GET AND SO HAVING 10 OR 12 CAMPUSES WELL WE WOULD REALLY NEED LIKE 14 CAMPUSES EACH YEAR.

THEN YOUR FOUR YEAR TERM YOU HAD WOULD HAVE BEEN PERSONALLY.

AND IT REALLY GIVES YOU A CHANCE TO FOCUS BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, TRYING TO HIT 55 CAMPUSES IN ONE YEAR IS REALLY, REALLY HARD.

BUT IF YOU'RE FOCUSING ON 14 THAT YEAR, YOU GET TO KNOW THAT COMMUNITY, YOU GET TO KNOW THE STAFF, AND THEN THE NEXT YEAR HAVE ANOTHER DIFFERENT 14 CAMPUSES THAT'S THE FIRST TIME I'VE EVER HEARD THAT PROCESS.

AND I LIKE IT.

AND I'M NOT SAYING IN MY SUGGESTION BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS AND FEELING LIKE THAT DECISION WAS RUSHED.

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I DEFINITELY THINK THAT COULD BE EXPLORED IN THE FUTURE.

AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE'RE NOT STILL AT LARGE.

WHAT I'M SAYING IS THIS MAKES IT MORE MANAGEABLE TO BE MORE PERSONABLE, MORE AVAILABLE TO A GROUP OF SCHOOLS.

WELL, IT DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN'T GO TO ALL OF THE THINGS, BUT IT MIGHT GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE PERSONALIZED LOVE AND CONNECTION AND POINTS OF CONTACT.

AND I LIKE THE HEARING FROM PATTY, HOW IT HELPS US KIND OF KNOW.

THE DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE DISTRICT.

YEAH. AND I ACTUALLY I WOULD ACTUALLY SEE THIS EVEN HAPPENING IF THERE'S SINGLE DISTRICTS BECAUSE IT REALLY IS YOU GET TO KNOW AND THEN YOU ARE INVITED BECAUSE WE ARE INVITED TO A LOT OF THINGS. AND SOMETIMES I'M LIKE, I SURE HOPE ONE OF US IS GOING, BUT WE DON'T REALLY KNOW AND I DO LIKE THIS THAT WE WOULD HAVE REPRESENTATION AS A BOARD.

SO I REALLY, REALLY LIKE IT.

AND LIKE I SAID, I THINK THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING EVEN WITH SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS THAT YOU WOULD DO.

DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS? DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS? I SEE. THREE FOR SURE.

JUST SO I KNOW WHAT LANGUAGE IN HERE IS, ARE WE DOING IT BY LEARNING COMMUNITY OR JUST BY A PROPORTION OF THE CAMPUSES? 14 CAMPUSES.

I HAVE THREE. DO I HAVE A FOURTH? OK FOUR. OKAY.

SO WE HAVE CONSENSUS FOR MOVING FORWARD ON THAT ONE.

OKAY. MOVING ON, BOTTOM OF PAGE 30, COMMUNITY RELATIONS.

AND THEN BOARD CALENDAR ON PAGE 31, THAT'S THE END OF OUR BOARD OPERATING PROCEDURES.

1228. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE CODE OF ETHICS THAT'S NOT IN HERE THAT WE NEED TO ADD TO OUR BOARD OPERATING PROCEDURES? YOU MEAN THE OATH OF OFFICE? OATH OF OFFICE? THAT'S WHAT I MEANT.

THAT'S WHAT I SAID. YOUR HEARING IS NOT WORKING THIS LATE AT NIGHT, TRUSTEE WESTON? AND NOT TO PROLONG THIS.

BUT I THINK THERE WAS A MENTION OF ADDING SOME LANGUAGE FOR SOCIAL MEDIA POLICY, KIND OF TRACKING ALONG WITH SOME LANGUAGE THAT TASB HAD THEIR GUIDELINES AND DOING THAT.

SORRY, YOU BRING THAT TO US LATER.

CAN WE JUST REFERENCE THAT? CAN WE REFERENCE THAT IN HERE? CAN YOU BRING IT TO US FOR US TO REVIEW? YES. AND WE'RE ALSO HAVING SOCIAL MEDIA TRAINING, SO WOULDN'T IT.

YEAH. OKAY. SO THAT MIGHT IMPACT IT.

SO YEAH, WE'LL BRING IT.

AND IF I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY, I KNOW EARLIER, AMBER, YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT THAT THE TIME LIMIT OR SOMETHING WASN'T ALLOWED.

I BELIEVE THAT THAT'S ONLY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

SPEAKERS ON AGENDA ITEMS, I THINK NON AGENDA ITEMS BECAUSE THAT'S NOT EVEN REQUIRED TO BE IT'S NOT EVEN REQUIRED BY LAW TO HAVE SPEAKERS ON NON AGENDA ITEMS. YOU COULD PUT A TIME LIMIT YOU GUYS HAD 20 MINUTES ON IT BEFORE FOR NON AGENDA SPEAKERS.

BUT I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT.

IT'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE LAW ON AGENDA SPEAKERS VERSUS SAID 20 MINUTES TO SPEAK TO THE BOARD ON ANY MATTER.

NO, IT'S A NON AGENDA, I THINK.

AT EACH REGULAR MEETING THE BOARD WILL SET ASIDE 20 MINUTES TO AFFORD THE GENERAL PUBLIC ON AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO THE BOARD ON ANY MATTER CONCERNING THE EDUCATION OF STUDENTS AND THE BUSINESS OF THE BOARD.

OH, THAT IS NOT LISTED. THESE LAST FOUR WORDS.

THAT'S WHY YOU GET PAID THE BIG BUCKS AND I WORK FOR FREE.

WE'RE GOING TO TALK TO DOUG.

I DO HAVE I MEAN, SINCE YOU BROUGHT THIS BACK UP, WE HAVE NINE MORE MINUTES UNTIL I SAID WE WERE GOING TO BE LEAVING SOME OF THE BUS.

WE'RE GOING TO BREAK IT. BUT WE DO SAY THAT WE HAVE A POLICY AND A PROCEDURE FOR PUBLIC TO SIGN UP.

AND THE PROCEDURE IS THEY FILL THIS OUT OR THEY HAVE TO FILL OUT THE ONLINE FORM.

AND IF THEY DON'T DO THIS, THEN THEY'RE NOT FOLLOWING OUR PROCEDURES.

SO WE NEED A STANDARD PROCEDURE, NOT JUST FOR ME, BUT FOR ANYBODY THAT SITS IN THIS ROLE.

IF THEY DON'T COMPLETE ONE OF THESE, DO WE STILL LET THEM SPEAK? NO, BECAUSE WE NEED THAT FOR OUR RECORD.

SO I THINK THAT THEY NEED TO COMPLETE IT AND COMPLETE IT FULLY.

SO FROM NOW ON, ANYBODY THAT DOESN'T FILL THIS FORM OUT, THEY DON'T GET TO SPEAK.

THAT'S WHAT OUR POLICY SAYS.

CAN WE SAY THAT ON THE FORM THEN? YEAH, I'M FINE WITH THAT.

I MEAN, I THINK IF WE CAN CLEARLY STATE IN BOLD AT THE TOP IF THIS IS NOT FILLED OUT.

YEAH, I DON'T LIKE DOING THIS KIND OF STUFF BECAUSE I JUST SEE LEGAL ACTION WHERE THOSE ARE OPEN RECORDS AND OH WOW, YOU LET THOSE FIVE PEOPLE, THEY DIDN'T HAVE MR. AND MS. OR THEIR TITLE FIGURED OUT, YOU KNOW, FILLED OUT.

BUT I DIDN'T HAVE I HAVE SOMEBODY TO MANAGE THIS.

IF SOMEBODY DOESN'T FILL IT OUT, THEN I JUST I MEAN, THESE MEETINGS ARE BUSY ENOUGH.

I THINK AS LONG AS THEY PUT THEIR NAME, THEN WE NEED TO TAKE IT OUT OF OUR POLICIES AND OUR PROCEDURES.

I WOULD TAKE IT OUT THEN BECAUSE I THINK WE DON'T HAVE TO RECORD ANY WAY OR ANYTHING ABOUT HOW.

I JUST THINK IT'S A POINT OF WHERE SOMEBODY COULD COME BACK AND BE LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, YOU GUYS HAVE GOTTEN ALL OFF DISCUSSION.

SO I THINK THINKING ABOUT BUT I THINK THERE ARE RULES THAT NEED TO BE MORE CLEAR ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT SPEAKERS THAT WE SAW IN THE LAST MEETING.

IT WAS VERY CONFUSING ABOUT SOMEONE TRYING TO SPEAK ON NON AGENDA VERSUS AGENDA.

SO AND YOU'LL SEE AT THE NEXT MEETING THERE IS JUST ONE SECTION FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

I'M NOT GOING TO TRY AND MODERATE THIS ANYMORE.

OH, OKAY. I WAS GOING TO RECOMMEND DO IT

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WE'RE NOT HAVING CLEAR SECTIONS ON THE AGENDA IN YOUR POLICY AND WE'RE OPERATING PROCEDURES IS THAT CAN THEY SPEAK ON BOTH AT THE SAME MEETING.

DOES THAT MEAN SOMEONE CAN SIGN UP TWICE AND YOU GOT THE SAME ONE PART OF THE AGENDA NEED TO CLARIFY THAT AND WELL I MEAN LIKE THEY GET TO SPEAK ON BOTH AGENDA AND NON AGENDA OR THEY JUST GET TO SIGN UP ONCE THEY GET TO SIGN UP ONE TIME, TWO, 3 MINUTES, CAN WE PULL THAT POLICY AND JUST REVIEW IT.

YEAH, WE NEED TO REVIEW.

AND THEN I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT PEOPLE SHOULD FILL OUT.

I THINK THAT IF WE'RE MAKING SOME PEOPLE FILL IT OUT, THEN EVERYBODY NEEDS TO FILL IT OUT.

IT'S EITHER AN ALL OR NOTHING.

WE HAVE TO TREAT EVERYBODY THE SAME.

SO I THINK FILLING IT OUT IS WHAT I'M QUESTIONING, IS THAT THEY'RE SAYING LIKE IT HAS TO BE EVERYTHING HAS TO BE DOTTED, T'S CROSSED.

AND THAT'S A PROCESS.

AND I'M SAYING IF WE TREAT ONLY OUR IN-PERSON SPEAKERS CAN ELIMINATE THIS.

IF YOU SIGN UP FOR VIRTUAL, YOU ARE REQUIRED TO FILL IN EVERY SINGLE SPOT OR YOU CAN'T SIGN UP.

THEY'RE REQUIRED ELEMENTS ON THE GOOGLE FORM OR YOU CAN'T SIGN UP.

SO WE'RE NOT TREATING OUR IN-PERSON SPEAKERS THE SAME WAY WE'RE TREATING OUR VIRTUAL SPEAKERS BECAUSE THEY CANNOT FILL THIS OUT.

WELL, EARLIER WE WERE TALKING ABOUT GIVING VIRTUAL LIKE EXTRA TIME AND ALL THIS STUFF.

SO I MEAN, I THINK WE'VE GOT AN ISSUE THERE ANYWAYS, BUT MAYBE WE AS SO, MAYBE YOU'RE RIGHT, MAYBE WE ACTUALLY HAVE A TABLET AND THEY CAN ONLY.

DO A GOOGLE FORM HERE.

I MEAN, THAT'S FINE WITH ME TOO, BUT I THINK HAVING SOMETHING CHECKED AND I JUST THINK ANY KIND OF FORM, I'M WRITING IT FAST.

MY KIDS LIKE DOING SOMETHING AND I'M FORGET A SECTION, BUT.

THAT'S WHAT OUR EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT HELPS US.

SO WHAT'S THE ISSUE? ARE PEOPLE REFUSING? WE ARE GETTING SOME OF THESE THAT ARE FILLED OUT AND SOME OF THEM THAT ARE JUST THEIR NAME, THEY DON'T EVEN SIGN IT.

AND WHEN PATTY ASKS THEM, I NEED YOU TO FILL OUT THE REST, THEY REFUSE.

YES. OKAY.

WELL, THAT'S THE CONTEXT I THINK WE WERE MISSING.

YEAH. I MEAN, YOU CAN LOOK THROUGH THE STACK RIGHT NOW AND YOU CAN SEE FILLED OUT.

FILLED OUT, MOSTLY FILLED OUT.

FILLED OUT. ONE PERSON'S NAME.

JUST VALERIE. JUST A NAME.

WHAT DOES THE STATUTE REQUIRE FOR PUBLIC SPEAKERS? DOES THE STATUTE REQUIRE THEM TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ON OUR CARD? NO, IT'S NOT THAT SPECIFIC.

THAT'S MORE PRECISE FOR US.

THERE'S A NOTICE THING THAT YOU'LL REQUIRE AND IS ALLOWED TIMELY TO NOTICE.

TIMELY BEFORE YOU SPEAK.

RIGHT. YOU HAVE TO SUBMIT IT BY AT A CERTAIN TIME, SO MANY HOURS.

SO THAT'S REQUIRED BY YOUR POLICIES AND THE LAW ALLOWS THAT.

SO YOU ALL HAVE THAT AS FAR AS WHAT IT SAYS TO PUT ON THAT CARD, THEN I STAY OUT OF THE BUSINESS.

I THINK WE STAY OUT OF THE BUSINESS OF DOING THAT.

I MEAN, WE TALK A LOT IN ROUND ROCK ISD ABOUT HOW SMART OUR STUDENTS ARE.

AND AS A MOM WITH A SON WHO JUST GRADUATED FROM HERE, I ASSURE YOU THEY ARE, ESPECIALLY IN MATH.

BUT OUR PARENTS ARE ALSO SMART AND OUR PARENTS KNOW THE LAW AND OUR COMMUNITY IS VERY HIGHLY EDUCATED.

AND MY GUESS IS THEY UNDERSTAND THE LAW AND THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT'S REQUIRED AND WHAT'S NOT.

SO I'M JUST.

BUT WHAT YOUR QUESTION IS, IS THERE A CONSENSUS TO REQUIRE THE ENTIRE DOCUMENT TO BE FILLED OUT? FOR ME, THE ANSWER IS NO.

IT'S NOT A STATUTORY REQUIREMENT.

THAT'S MY ANSWER. NOW, THE LAW DOES ONLY REQUIRE SPEAKERS ON AGENDA ITEMS. I WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR.

THE LAW DOES NOT REQUIRE WE HAVE SPEAKERS.

A SCHOOL BOARD ALLOWS SPEAKERS ON NON AGENDA ITEMS. A SCHOOL BOARD CAN DO THAT BY LOCAL POLICY, WHICH YOU DO.

IN REGULAR MEETINGS.

RIGHT. BUT EVEN IN REGULAR MEETING POLICY LIKE STATUTE, EVEN AT A REGULAR MEETING, YOU'RE NOT LEGALLY REQUIRED TO ALLOW.

SO BUT THAT'S WHY I THINK YOU ALL HAVE GENERALLY BECAUSE YOU CAN BY LAW SEPARATED THEM.

SPEAKERS GO FIRST ON AGENDA ITEMS AND THEN IF THERE'S TIME, YOU PUT THEM LATER ON YOUR AGENDA FOR NON AGENDA ITEMS BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED BY LAW.

SO THAT'S WHY YOU TRY TO GET THROUGH AS MUCH BUSINESS AS YOU CAN ON YOUR AGENDA AND THAT'S WHY THEY'VE BEEN SEPARATED.

IT WAS JUST CONFUSING LAST TIME BECAUSE I THINK WHEN YOU TRY TO MIX THEM, IT GETS MORE CONFUSING WHEN YOU TRY TO MERGE THEM BECAUSE THEN YOU CAN'T HAVE DIFFERENTIATION AT ALL.

BUT THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.

CAN I ASK? SO WE'RE GOING TO REVIEW THIS LATER, RIGHT? LIKE WE'RE GOING TO OK SO I CAN WE'LL JUST LET ME CAN WE NOT MAKE A POLICY FOR PEOPLE TO FILL THIS OUT BECAUSE IT FEELS LIKE A SECURITY THING TO ME TO O. CAN WE NOT MAKE A POLICY FOR PEOPLE TO FILL THIS OUT BECAUSE IT ALSO FEELS LIKE A SECURITY RISK TO ME.

YEAH, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S A WRITTEN LOCAL POLICY.

YOUR CARD. I THINK THERE'S JUST A REQUIREMENT OF A TIMELINESS.

YOU HAVE TO SUBMIT A REQUEST TO SPEAK WHATEVER YOUR PROCEDURAL RULES ARE.

THAT'S OUR PRACTICE.

FILL IT OUT. BUT SOME PEOPLE AREN'T FOLLOWING OUR PROCEDURE.

SO CAN WE PRECLUDE SOMEONE FROM SPEAKING IF THEY DON'T FOLLOW OUR PROCEDURE? IF THEY DON'T FOLLOW YOUR LOCAL POLICY IS REALLY WHEN YOU CAN PRECLUDE THEM, WHICH IS YOUR TIME REQUIREMENT.

THEY DID NOT TIMELY SUBMIT A REQUEST TO SPEAK ACCORDING TO YOUR POLICY.

THEN YOU CAN'T PRECLUDE YOU CAN PROHIBIT THEM FROM SPEAKING BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T SIGN UP IN ACCORDANCE WITH YOUR TIME POLICY.

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AND IF WE'RE GOING TO REQUIRE SOME PEOPLE TO DO IT AND SOME PEOPLE NOT, THAT'S NOT TREATING PEOPLE EQUALLY AND JUST CHANGE THE ONLINE FORM TO MAKE CERTAIN GOOGLE FIELDS OPTIONAL. I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE FINE.

I MEAN, THEN THEY'RE ALL TREATED THE SAME.

ARE THE PEOPLE HERE FILLING OUT THE GOOGLE FORM ONE WAY OR THE OTHER? I MEAN, I THINK IT WORKS.

I JUST THINK. IT'S THE SAME INFORMATION THAT'S ON THE GOOGLE FORM.

IT'S JUST A CARD. I KNOW, BUT I THINK WE'VE ALL FILLED OUT CARDS.

AND, YOU KNOW, I LOVE GOOGLE FORMS BECAUSE YOU MISS A FIELD YOU DIDN'T EVEN NOTICE THAT THAT LINE YOU'RE TRYING TO HURRY UP AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO TELL ME THAT I CAN'T NOW SPEAK ON THE TOPIC THAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO ME.

A PERSON WOULD HAND IT BACK IN TO PATTY AND SHE WOULD SAY, OH, YOU.

WELL, BUT THAT'S OKAY. SO I GUESS I'M ALSO DIDN'T WANT PATTY TO HAVE TO LIKE MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S THE SAME.

AND I JUST THINK GOOGLE FORMS AUTOMATICALLY CHECK IT.

I MEAN, I'VE SEEN YOU GUYS SWITCH OUT CARDS UP HERE AND HAVE ISSUES WITH CARDS, SO I JUST PREFER NOT TO GET US INTO ANY KIND OF LEGAL ISSUE OF LIKE, OH, WE LET SOMEBODY THROUGH, BUT WE DIDN'T LET SOMEBODY THROUGH BECAUSE THEY HAD, YOU KNOW, ONE FILLED DIDN'T FILL OUT.

I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO AGREE TONIGHT IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO IF WE'RE GOING TO GO OVER THE POLICY.

I'LL GO I'LL LOOK AT YOUR CARD AND AND JUST DO A LITTLE WORK ON IT ALL.

ON IT ALL. ALL RIGHT.

IT IS 1238.

WE ARE ENDING 2 MINUTES BEFORE MY RECOMMENDED TIME.

SO WE ARE FINISHING EARLY AS 12:38.

WE'RE ADJOURNED.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.